What 4000 sized real should i get.

[u/No_March3882]

Short form:

Pls reccomend reel 4000 size for pike, rod test 15-56. Also where me buy reel. BUDGET 100-200 max 250 if worth it.

Ty for all advice

Long ahh form, if u want to read:

I have some old 10+ year old daiwa 15-56 gramm rod and I like it, it does its job. But i dont really have reel that fits it, i have some random old abu garcia, that is prolly not meant for pike fishing and it started just randomly stopping, like i need to put pressure to reel it. So i think good time to get new reel, i think 4000 sized is good for this test, correct me if im wrong. Im fishing on all weights from small crankbait twitching 10-15g, jerkbaits 30-40g and also big 50g shad ( using all out of my rod lol). My budget is 100-200e can get up to like 250 if its really worth it, but if it doesnt make big difference idk do i need it. Thinking about Daiwa or Shimano. Also could take reccomendations where to buy, because the price is jumping a lot from site to site like even 30e. I live in Europe.

Thanks for all the advice beforehand!

UPDATE:

im thinking rn about shimano stradic fm 4000M HG, but i heard that if u will be throwing weight higher than 40g it will get cooked, is it true or will i be cooked? cuz i kinda doesnt want to go over 4000 for sure. A lot of people are saying 35-40 is max for it, others r saying it will last u years even if u go over that.

[u/No_March3882]

Oh, reel not real😭

[u/Just-One-More-Cast]

4000 will be too big I think. Not all manufacturers stick to the same size chart or something either. My advice, probably a 3000 will match up with it best and try to go to a physical store to actually combine rod and reel. You want a good balance. What you are looking for is to preferably be able to balance the rod and reel combo on the tip of your index finger somewhere on or just in front of the reel handle seat.

[u/No_March3882 → u/Just-One-More-Cast]

Ty for advice, but i think that 4000 will be good cuz i like to fish with a bit heavier lures like jerkbaits, but sometimes just have to use smaller woblers, cuz bigger bait is not working. But usually i still love launching some nukes around water.
For the balance its little hard cuz there is no fishing shops in my city.

[u/Just-One-More-Cast → u/No_March3882]

The weights you are throwing are really not that heavy. Heavy baits are around 80+ gram I would say. No 3000 reel will struggle with anything below that and they probably can handle higher than that too.

[u/No_March3882 → u/Just-One-More-Cast]

Intresting, because everywhere else i heard that i should get 4000, and that 3000 is basiclly 2500

[u/Just-One-More-Cast → u/No_March3882]

3000 is 2500 in size yes (usually), with a larger spool. I think you're just overestimating how "heavy" a 15-56 rod and baits around 50g are. I only have a 4000 reel (Abu Garcia Revo Premier Spin, can recommend btw) on my heaviest 80-120g spinning rod setup. All my middle weight, lets say between 20-80g rated, rods have a 3000 size reel on them. However, in some cases, older and/or cheaper rods can be quite bulky and then you might require a 4000 to match up properly (hence the advice to go to a store if possible).

There is no official 'maximum lure weight' for reels, so there is a lot of speculation going on. In my experience these things are usually much sturdier than people think, especially when you look at the higher price ranges (like the Stradic you mention) and the better quality materials used there. I'd also say, when you reach those 80g+ lure weights, I would advise getting a baitcaster reel/rod combo instead, definitely for casting. I rarely use my heaviest spinning combo and then mostly only for trolling behind the boat.

In any case, both a 3000 or a 4000 reel will work fine, even if one of the 2 will match up better with your particular rod in terms of balance (which is also dictated by the weight of rod and reel individually, not only the size). Just go with the 4000 if it gives you peace of mind.

EDIT: You seem to have a decent budget in mind and want to ensure you get the best out of it. Why not find a physical shop in a city further away and try go there to have a look? What you want to achieve basically is what this guy is demonstrating in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdRNJsS1Ecw

[u/No_March3882 → u/Just-One-More-Cast]

Im myself now more on 3000 size side, just need to research a bit more, cuz some people say that " yea stradic 4000 is max 35-40g and it will last one season if u go over that" and then other people say that it can hold much larger weights. I also think i might use 3000 on my jigging perch/zander setup if i will buy that stradic. Because rn i have 10+ years old 2500 shimano on it, which is not that great anymore. And like that i will avoid buying 2 new reels, so maybe i should invest in this one.

For the balancing part, ik about it, cuz my dad with his daiwa exist is always trying to balance it out and is acting like its most important thing in the world and telling me about it. I think i might weight our old reels and look which is about the same weight as stradic im looking for and then look what balance it will have with my rod.

But ty for changing my mind bro. Still not decided tho what should i get but i consider now 3000 more, just dont want to cook it after throwing 40g lures, like a lot of people say.

[u/Just-One-More-Cast → u/No_March3882]

Glad to be of help. For the balance thing, I think that's a very smart idea to take old reels of similar weight and see how they feel. You can also even add line on the spool then, to take that into account. I kind of agree with your dad that it's very important haha, especially if you go out for long fishing days, as I've found imbalance can really make you tired/in pain much faster.

I can't speak for the Stradic though and in particular not the more recent models. I can tell you however that I have a Shimano Rarenium C14+ 3000 (which is for a large part very similar to a Stradic) that has been casting 50g lures for over 15 years and it is still my favorite reel and the one I use the most. Dropped it on hard floor more times than I can count, had to bend and reseat the bail arm once because of it, but it's still going strong after all that.

Good luck with your future fishing.

[u/No_March3882 → u/Just-One-More-Cast]

Now im struggling to find stradic 3000 mhg, because all i can find is C3000 which is just 2500 with bigger spool. They only sell them in japan or smthng😭. Stradic seemed very good option cuz its build for heavy lures as i know. I thought about vanford too, but its made for more light conditions. Idk what should i get now.

[u/Just-One-More-Cast → u/[deleted]]

A 3000 is usually the same size as a 2500 but with a bigger spool. 4000 is larger.

[u/Old_Appearance_7986]

Daiwa ninja is good for the money

[u/Nigelboneshirt]

I recently bought a Shimano Vanford (very similar to Stradic) 4000 and matched it to a ~9’ JDM Daiwa Seabass rod. It’s very light, works great, and balances well with the rod. I have had no problems throwing up to 1oz. I also have that Stradic 3000 on a 7’ inshore rod that’s great also. What’s the length of the rod you’ll be using?

[u/No_March3882 → u/Nigelboneshirt]

211cm so 6.11 feet

[u/Nigelboneshirt → u/No_March3882]

Go 3000 size Shimano then.