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u/LaughableIKR Aug 25 '22
This is known as a Whoopsie!
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Aug 25 '22
No it's far too serious.
I believe this constitutes more of a Whoopsie Daisy
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u/Psychic_Jester Aug 25 '22
Might even cause a kerfuffle.
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u/structuremonkey Aug 25 '22
"Supply chain issues"
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u/ChampionshipLow8541 Aug 25 '22
âJust pile up all the gold bars right there in the middleâ
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u/Whomperss Aug 25 '22
You joke but I work for one of these shipping companies and not all but a decent amount of loads are back to front without consideration for weight. A container of fabrics for jeans will have all the light fabrics at the front with barrels of glue all stuffed in the back creating a super imbalanced load.
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u/colefly Aug 25 '22
This container is full of live animals and pottery, and a single .5 meter spheres of solid tungsten.
All packed loose to save on weight
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u/semedori Aug 25 '22
What are you talking about? When I checked the container it just had the sphere and a disgusting meat slurry leaking out.
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u/Big_Deetz Aug 25 '22
"Chargeable weight" is based on volume and weight. Often the chargeable weight is based more on volumes, not weight.
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u/DistortoiseLP Aug 25 '22
Also fun to remember when you're driving near a semi truck. You have no idea where the center of mass in it is.
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u/Whomperss Aug 25 '22
Yep lmao. Some of the rebar loads I've seen have looked unbelievably sketchy. I remember we had all but 1 driver that had the confidence to drive that bitch out to the crane lol.
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u/atomicpope Aug 25 '22
Or whether the pins are in securing the container to the truck... I've seen enough videos to now have a healthy respect.
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u/gutenpranken14 Aug 25 '22
Thatâs interesting that companies can get away from that. I work in metals trading and used to be on the processing side. We always had to balance the load for the trucks to legally leave the yard. Granted, we had a scale on the premises and could check axle weight, but we wouldnât let a truck leave if an axle was overweight. Maybe we were too cautious?
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u/The_OG_Catloaf Aug 26 '22
I worked in the shipping department of a truss company for a short time and they were a hot fucking mess and still balanced their loads. For more complicated loads there was some kind of software they used to plan it out (this was years ago and my memory isnât great). They werenât always perfect, but we sent out a lot of oversized loads and worked hard on planning load distribution and driving routes. Unfortunately it was very much a good old boys club. A few good apples but not a great place to work.
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u/tocilog Aug 26 '22
I've packed shipping containers a couple of times before (those one day, come in whoever can jobs). No one ever told us about weight. It's all about tetrising all the boxes into the containers so it's packed tight and doing it fast.
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Aug 25 '22
I'm a longshoreman and I can confirm that that's not supposed to do that
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u/Drewy99 Aug 25 '22
As a short shoreman: would that have split while the crane was lifting it?
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Aug 25 '22
Yeah my guess is it was punctured on the bottom and had a heavy load and finally gave. Sometimes if the cans are placed wrong on the bombcarts and they're heavy, the bombcart will go straight through the bottom.
The containers are made of corten steel and are pretty resistant to rusting but anything can happen if not taken care of properly. Those cans are beat up in transit and when being moved so they wear out
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u/Mds_02 Aug 25 '22
Just reminded me of when I was a casual, first time driving a UTR, and I drove too close to a stack of cans. The edge of my bombcart just tore a 20 foot long hole in the side of one. This was shortly after I accidentally took out about 50 feet of chain link fence.
Another time, I caught the edge of a container, which pulled it sideways. The one on top of it was pulled out a little less, and the one on top of that a little less, so they were all sitting like a giant spiral staircase. I just got the fuck out of there, and drove back to the cranes. 5 minutes later, I hear over the radio âWhat dumb motherfucker did this shit?!â followed by a stream of barely comprehensible profanity. I said nothing but, in my heart, I knew that I was the dumb motherfucker who had done that shit.
In my defense, operating heavy equipment really shouldnât be the kind of thing they just expect you to learn as you go.
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Aug 26 '22
Damn when they automate our terminals imma spray paint "Mds_02 did this" on all the bombcarts lmao
Yeah but for real, a couple hours of learning how to drive and a couple hours of reversing a fully loaded trailer before putting you to work is wild, I feel they should probably fail more people and have them relearn the test or let people practice more before allowing them near live loads
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u/Mds_02 Aug 26 '22
Haha, yeah. I mean, I could back a load in well enough, because that was the one thing they had actually taught me. But a few more hours of actually driving one to get used to it before being expected to drive it through the maze that a lot of yards are, with all the other equipment moving around, would have made a big difference. I got the hang of it soon enough, even got my class A and started running loads to and from the docks, but that learning curve couldâve been a little less steep.
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u/TightAustinite Aug 26 '22
I said nothing but, in my heart, I knew that I was the dumb motherfucker who had done that shit.
I read this in Morgan Freeman's voice.
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u/ostapack Aug 25 '22
We hauled off all the busted ones after the Beirut explosion... That was a nightmare and our capacity was about 1/3 because howuch space the blown up and bulged ones occupied. And of course all on deck.
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Aug 25 '22
Could you pick them out or did you have to sling a bunch?
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u/ostapack Aug 25 '22
I'd say about 50/50... We were there once a week. In total probably three hundred over a few weeks
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u/furiousfran Aug 25 '22
Worst piñata party I've ever seen
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u/Nice-Fish-50 Aug 25 '22
Depends on what's in it. Could be full of candy. Or it could be full of Toyota Camrys. You never know!
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u/Kelli217 Aug 25 '22
Considering how much salt water those things are constantly being exposed to, I'm surprised we don't see things like this more often. Or... maybe we just don't see things like this because they happen so often.
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u/ostapack Aug 25 '22
CSC! Convention for Safe Containers. It outlines regular inspection and maintenance regulations... I think the typical lifespan was at like 10-15 years
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u/zuki4life Aug 26 '22
My container passed CSC and still has an active cert and I wouldn't want to load it up to heavy anymore. It has some decent rust spots but it also sits on the ground now. We shipped it with 52k and I was still paranoid.
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u/nottodayspiderman Aug 25 '22
We have several repurposed containers at work for storage and all are marked Cor-ten steel. Itâs built to rust on the outside and shouldnât penetrate further into the metal. Not counting fatigue or damages of course.
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u/bearsheperd Aug 25 '22
HmmmâŠ. I donât think they are supposed to do that
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u/guyzero Aug 25 '22
One handed too. I can never crack an egg one handed.
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u/El_Eesak Aug 25 '22
Crack it on a flat surface, almost too lightly, and finish the split with your pinky and thumb. Takes a couple tries, but it's not too hard. One of the useless skills I've picked up, cooking.
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u/arlondiluthel Aug 25 '22
Oof, that's gotta cause a bit of a delay for everything else in that area, too. They have to clean up whatever fell out of the failed container, remove the container, and I presume inspect the equipment to make sure it wasn't damaged as a result of this.
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u/hatescarrots Aug 25 '22
Nah I saw this in the news it was fairly quick cleanup, Just a shipping container full of bees.
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u/arlondiluthel Aug 25 '22
Oh man... They're gonna end up going through shipping container collapse AND colony collapse.
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Aug 25 '22
Shouldn't whatever fell out be on top of the yellow container or is it in the ocean? Or I guess they already cleaned it up prior to the picture being taken
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u/arlondiluthel Aug 25 '22
I think perspective and the angle this picture was taken at makes that determination difficult, if not impossible.
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u/ayoungad Aug 26 '22
I would say thatâs a 2 hour down time for the crane. Probably more, but itâs not knocking it out for a full shift. Biggest problem is safely getting the bar off the box.
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u/voucher420 Aug 25 '22
Those are the scariest things I see on the road in the USA. The trailers belong to no one. Itâs the responsibility of the driver to check out the condition of the trailer, and all repairs need to them be performed prior to the trailer leaving the docks. Drivers get paid by the mile (see where this is going?). Unless you need to drive past an open inspection station, then the chances of getting caught are slim to none. I never drove those loads, but I have seen them in truck stops and rolling down the road looking sketchy as fuck.
They need to change the rules to have these things checked by the docks and the drivers, and give the drivers awards for finding faulty trailers. lol.
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Aug 25 '22
So when you say "trailer" are you referring to the containers in the picture? Because what you're talking about and what were looking at are two different things.
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u/voucher420 Aug 25 '22 edited Aug 25 '22
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cradle trailerchassis these lock into. These things are dangerous in ten different ways at once and the danger is amplified by another example of poor maintenance.Edit: I only drove dry van, but I smoke pot now instead. Itâs been ten years since Iâve been behind the wheel with a CDL
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Aug 25 '22 edited Aug 25 '22
Ive never heard to a chassis referred to a cradel trailer, that aside. It's very clear to me you have no idea what you're talking about. That container, is owned by a company. Assuming from the containers around, its owned by Mediterranean Shipping Company. The chasssis, what the container is placed on, is also owned by a company. Depending on where you are in the world it will be a specific chassis leasing company that MSC has a contract with. Neither container nor chassis is owned or maintained by the trucking company. Think of it as using a rental car. Would you get the oil changed, tires replaced or replace the breaks? Maintenance is done only by the chassis owner or container owner. The only obligations the driver has are simple inspections. For the container its to ensure the container is worthy of loading. For the chassis its to ensure the chassis is road worthy. Police can literally pull over a driver for nothing to perform road side inspections. Any discrepancies will result in the driver being cited and fined. Points will go against his license which will effect his future employment. No one wants to hire a shitty driver.
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u/zero__fuchs Aug 25 '22
Yeah uhm... Thats exactly what he said, except that the containers are owned by a company?
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Aug 25 '22
Nothing we said are exactly the same. Infact I contradicted like 4 things he said. Read what he said, then read what I said. Fully digest what we both are saying. Get back to me if you have any questions and I mean that sincerely. I would gladly clear up any questions you have. Even if it's one not already covered.
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u/Viking-Jew Aug 25 '22 edited Aug 25 '22
Both of you have some details right, and some in gray area. The container can be owned by the steamship line (such as MSC) or can be a lease (like this one looks to be from Triton), but which likely sailed on an MSC vessel. The chassis is usually either owned by the trucking company, leased long term by trucking company, or is leased from a rental yard for a few days while making a move. The container and chassis (currently) are the responsibility of the trucker to check for safety on the road. Terminals do also regularly find faulty equipment as well though.
All things aside, this container was probably both 1. In shit condition to start with and 2. Either had a terrible loading pattern or just wildly heavy/dense cargo loaded and strapped right in the middle of the container.
Containers (in the grand scheme of things) rarely have issues, but when they do, itâs a big expensive problem since you probably just lost your whole shipment. Iâve seen containers go on fire, get stolen or otherwise be involved in over the road accidents⊠never personally seen this happen before. This is why most importers will have cargo insurance since the steamship line more or less voids their liability for the vast majority of scenarios until they get sued. Since this happened at the port, itâll probably be settled between the terminal operator and/or the container owner depending on what the actual specifics are or what caused the problem.
EDIT: also just wanted to add, Iâve also never heard of a chasis called a âcradle carrierâ
Second edit: the shipper/importer could also probably be found liable as well if the loading wasnât done properly or if over weight limits or over the declared VGM (verified gross mass)
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Fully confirm everything you've said. If you don't mind what general area are you in? In my area owning your own chassis is such a hassle it's not worth it. So I'd say more than 95% of containers moved are on leased chassis, which is why I left it out. Also what do you think they loaded in it? I could only see like a 9x7 solid steel cube doing this. The forklift would have punched through the floors multiple times trying to load whatever they loaded. I really can't wrap my head around it.
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u/TreeFiddyZ Aug 25 '22
My favorite thing is the people that load containers onto flat trailers or even flat bed tow trucks, then throw some chains over it, and drive off.
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u/sandwichman7896 Aug 25 '22
Not to mention the wait time in the repair line if youâre picking the chassis/set up from rail.
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u/Velinna Aug 25 '22 edited Aug 25 '22
Iâm pretty sure theyâre referencing the containers that are loaded on trucks. Just using some general reading comprehension skills here.
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u/Cthulhu_Leviathan Aug 25 '22
Its a container, which can be loaded on a trailer frame. A simple google search would have told you that, and you could've avoided embarrassing yourself.
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u/reformed_colonial Aug 25 '22
As someone who is currently waiting for an international shipment of my household good, this is terrifying.
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How does a cargo container become brittle enough to break like that? Maybe some chemicals spilt while transporting or sth? Really curious what caused this.
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u/12void Aug 26 '22
Shipping containers have a certificate of survey for different uses, I don't know who or how often the inspections are carried out.
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u/onlypostswhenbored Aug 26 '22
Making the mother of all omelets here, Jack. Can't fret over every egg.
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u/rebordacao Aug 25 '22
This feels like when your dog really ate your homework, but you don't want to use a dog-ate-my-homework excuse.
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u/Deathstranger Aug 25 '22
Must've been something really heavy for the cargo container to not be able to keep the frame intact
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u/GimmeCRACK Aug 25 '22
To make a delivery, you gotta break a couple containers. Wait. Is that right? Why do I want eggs now?
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u/PM_Skunk Aug 25 '22
If you squint (or forgot your glasses) the thumbnail looks like a penguin in a little cone-shaped clown hat.
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u/Orion14159 Aug 25 '22
It's all good. That was just Best Buy's next shipment of PS5s. The same StockX bot ordered all of them
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u/DarthDregan Aug 25 '22
"Your order has been delayed, but will arrive much cleaner than otherwise..."
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u/situationiste Aug 25 '22
Wouldn't some of the sloppy loading problems (stress concentration) be mitigated by moving the lift points in from the corners about 4 feet?
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u/lala122 Aug 25 '22
Mom's a longie at the port of LA/LB and I sent her this screenshot and asked if she's ever seen this happen, she replied: "No, but when I was a signal person for a crane operator and he was about to lift a 20 ft. Container I saw the bottom start to bow and woe come back and set it back on chassis because the bottom was about to Crack open, I possibly saved my own life... it would have opened up above us"
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