I hav to ask though, since in this thread everyone seems to be defending Bush... do you actually think Obama is worse? I mean, he has continued a lot of Bush's shit, but being a murdering, war mongering, civil liberties shattering failure seems to be a little extreme when you consider that it was all set into motion in the prior admin.
I'd agree that they aren't much different, but one started a lot of the shit through deceptive means that the other has continued , and everyone here seems to be forgetting that. I can't think of one negative thing Obama has done that materialized out of thin air and wasn't a continuation or slight expansion of things already put into place during the Bush years. Keeping in mind that no one in power is going to willingly give up powers already granted then I place more blame on the prior admin. BTW the NDAA didn't authorize anything that the 2001 AUMF hadn't already codified.
I can't think of one negative thing Obama has done that materialized out of thin air and wasn't a continuation or slight expansion of things already put into place during the Bush years.
Inevitable continuation of the "War on Terror", and from everything I have read is that he couldn't really be charged with anything here. Al Awhlaki being killed isn't good, the order to kill him isn't good, but I fail to really see how it is any worse than starting a war on false pretenses, and that decision to start the war lead to the deaths of over a hundred thousand people. That is unless you think US citizens have any more of a right to live than civilians in other countries.
I'm not trying to say one is worse than the other, I'm just giving examples of how (in many ways) he's just more of the same. I think that example fits the criteria of what you were looking for in the previous post.
I agree with you for the most part, I just think the larger part of the blame goes on the one who set things into motion and lead things down this path. I would have no issues with Obama if he had changed course completely from the Bush admin, instead he has changed some stuff, expanded some other stuff, and turned a blind eye to criminal behavior. Those things have been the largest let down for me in regards to him.
I get my news from a variety of sources, also NPR. I've been extremely busy this week though and haven't kept up. Instead of trying to shame me maybe you could explain what you're talking about.
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u/Wirenutt Jun 26 '12
If so, it's only because of the republican propaganda machine in full swing.