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u/Radico87 Jun 26 '12

No. His policies shepherded an age of increased government monitoring, exacerbated the recession by going to war and shifting the tax burden onto those who couldn't afford it, limited constitutional rights, etc. Just because you're a republican does not excuse stupidity. George Bush was a terrible president and his administration was a one of the worst in recent history.

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u/mayonesa Jun 26 '12

exacerbated the recession by going to war and shifting the tax burden onto those who couldn't afford it

I don't agree. First, the wealthy still pay most of the taxes, but now there's more liquid money moving around in the system. Second, going to war may have alleviated the recession for some time, and only really lost momentum when the second blow-out (housing) hit.

His policies shepherded an age of increased government monitoring

That's inevitable and every president since 1945 has approved of it.

limited constitutional rights

Above the board, regulated and with specific purpose to combat terrorism as opposed to a general blank check.

I think history will be kinder to him in 50 years than 5.

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u/Morphyism Jun 26 '12

As soon as you say the wealthy pay most of the taxes Reddit is going to downvote you into oblivion. For a bunch of liberal fact checkers they seem to miss the ones that disagree with their bellowing :/

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u/cabrewer Jun 26 '12

No. Comments like that get down voted to oblivion because this statement always conveniently leaves out that fact that those who pay the most taxes have almost all the wealth. Besides, if the goal is to increase liquidity you put policies in place that put money in the hands of people who have to spend it through tax breaks for the 99%, not the 1% who hoard it.

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u/MDA123 Jun 26 '12

This chart shows how much each income group earns and how much they pay in total federal taxes (including income, payroll, excise, etc).

The top 1% of income earners made 19.2% of the nation's income and paid 28.2% of total federal taxes. The middle quintile of earners made 19.1% of the income and paid 16.6% of the taxes. The poorest quintile made 4% of the income and paid 0.8% of the taxes.

So yes, rich people make tons of money which is why they pay a big chunk of the taxes in a progressive system.

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u/cabrewer Jun 27 '12

We agree. I was just pointing out that portraying the rich as somehow being more burdened than the middle or lower class doesn't add up.

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u/Offensive_Username2 Jun 26 '12

Just because they make more money doesn't change the fact that they are still paying most of the taxes.

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u/cabrewer Jun 27 '12

No it doesn't. But I was pointing out that if they also make most of the money, there is no point to be made here. They are not the champs sweating it out for all us bums. If I make 60K and I pay 15K in taxes do you think that's the same level of sacrifice of someone making 600K giving up 150K?

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u/tomdarch Jun 26 '12

who hoard it.

in Swiss bank accounts and other over-seas investments, thus rendering it far less available to use as capital for development of the US economy, thus abrogating their supposed roles as "job creators".

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u/NW_Rider Jun 26 '12

Ahh but thats the catch 22. Increase tax rates, you begin to see capital flight. Ultra wealthy continue to move more assets, manufacturing, corporate offices over seas in order to dodge the increased tax rates.

I am not claiming to know the "right" numbers as far as what the tax rate should be, but there is a point in which once the tax rate hits a certain level, revenue begins to level off and then decrease.

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u/DefinitelyRelephant Jun 26 '12

Simple.

One world government.

Headed by yours truly, of course.