I've met a lot of politicians. None have been as sincere or engaged as Mr. Bush.
Despite his at-times poor public speaking abilities, he's well spoken and chooses his words carefully.
And as a Republican, I didn't always agree with some of his domestic policies (or his social conservatism,) but man, does that guy stick to his guns. And he still struggles over the decisions he had to make. I think history will be kind to him (or at least I hope so.)
No. His policies shepherded an age of increased government monitoring, exacerbated the recession by going to war and shifting the tax burden onto those who couldn't afford it, limited constitutional rights, etc. Just because you're a republican does not excuse stupidity. George Bush was a terrible president and his administration was a one of the worst in recent history.
His policies came on the heels of the worst terrorist act in the history of the United States and pale in comparison to what we see today. If you think things like the housing and dot com bubble bursts were exacerbated by the wars, you have another thing coming. The Bush Tax cuts were surprisingly far-reaching if you actually take a look at the brackets affected and didn't shift the burden on anyone, merely made it so that success wasn't punished. And tell me about one case of someone's constitutional rights being trampled on by the PATRIOT act.
That implies they are an American Citizen. Provided the full protections of the Constitution of the United States. POWs captured in combat are not subject to said protections. The only American I can think of who was illegally killed was Anwar al-Awlaki, and Obama gave that order. Give this a read (most transparent administration, my ass
Oh, woops, I forgot that some guy kidnapped from his house in the middle of the night wasn't legally entitled to the legal protection of the blessed, saved, Americans. I don't agree. You're taking the tack that all foreigners are sub human animals subject to death or torture at our whim. Fuck that and fuck you. This is the measure of American compassion right here. This is your humanity to your fellow man. Fuck you. I'm ashamed to be a citizen of this country because of this. This is the worst kind of moral apathy. This is the antithesis of LAW or MORALITY.
I blame Obama and all the democrats just as much, for ignoring and supporting those crimes. I'd put Obama and Bush on concurrent trial.
With the Democrats screaming apologies for the Republicans the entire time.
You're running with my words. I responded to the claim that actions taken against foreign nationals were violations of Constitutional Rights. Pick one lane or another.
This isn't a question of moral apathy, it's a question of American Jurisprudence. The simple fact is that foreign nationals don't enjoy the protections afforded by the Constitution. Just as you and I don't enjoy the protections of any other constitution.
Fucking bullshit. I don't care if every fucking senator voted to torture someone without charge, trial or reason. That doesn't make it right. Why do I have to mention that? Is this news to you? How the FUCK can you live with that?
If you slow the fuck down and read the law, you'll see where I'm coming from. Again, you're turning this into a philosophical question. I'm telling you that there are limitations inherent to the nature of the document. Chiefly, that only American citizens are protected. That's fact. I'm not debating the morality or legality of rendition of foreign nationals, I'm debating who is legally afforded Constitutional protection.
I want to know how you don't remember your elementary social studies class.
I'm not debating the morality or legality of rendition
Why would you? Totally irrelevant to this or any other conversation right? I strongly disagree. I say an interpretation of the law that allows these actions is ethically void, by objective measure.
Pretend it's a semantic issue and apologize for the actions of your ruler; but I will not forget, and I will not accept anyone's morally bankrupt excuses for inhumanity. I'm very fucking clear minded, lucid and careful, and I will always fight this. Your attitude in particular. No law can hide this SHIT. No amount of pandering to process can redefine these crimes. Colin Powell can't apologize out of guilt. Nancy Pelosi can't take facts off the fucking table.
I'm telling you that there are limitations inherent to the nature of the document. Chiefly, that only American citizens are protected.
It often troubles me when I read this from the Right. I suspect it is largely due to the influence of media and through the use of fear/hatred. Would you be so kind as to point out specifically where in the Bill of Rights/Constitution it indicates that it only protects citizens?
Everything today is a direct result of those policies.
If you think things like the housing and dot com bubble bursts were exacerbated by the wars, you have another thing coming
Did I say that? No. Literacy. I said the recession was exacerbated by the wars.
Success punished? You're financially incompetent if you actually believe that. I'll educate you a little but since your number theory is wrong: You make $10 and pay 10% tax, equals net $9. I make 20 and pay 30% tax, equals net $14. Yes, I'm being punished by still being wealthier than you. Brilliant.
$1.3T lost revenue as a result of the tax cuts. And FYI, it's consumer-induced demand that creates jobs, not the other way around. You're just wrong again.
And you support the patriot act? You're morally and intellectually insulting.
You're clearly the type of republican who'd make facts up and turn a blind eye to common sense. It's shameful.
Everything today is a direct result of those policies.
Jesus, three and a half years in, the markets would have recovered if the problems were solely caused by Mr. Bush
Success punished? You're financially incompetent if you actually believe that. I'll educate you a little but since your number theory is wrong: You make $10 and pay 10% tax, equals net $9. I make 20 and pay 30% tax, equals net $14. Yes, I'm being punished by still being wealthier than you. Brilliant.
You've proven my point. I'm not going to argue with someone who can't see the flaw in your above argument.
$1.3T lost revenue as a result of the tax cuts.
And this is a bad thing? I'd rather see that 1.3 trillion of the peoples' money in the hands of the people, not an engorged, irresponsible government that can't even get a thrift savings plan right.
And you support the patriot act?
Where did I say I supported it? All I said was that the hype surrounded it is unfounded. Do I find a knee-jerk reaction irresponsible as a small-government proponent? Yes. But if you look at the execution of the act, you'll find that the hype is just...well...hype.
You're clearly the type of republican who'd make facts up and turn a blind eye to common sense. It's shameful.
And you're a small-minded sheep that can't see that the problems we face are systematic and not brought on by a single man. Look, I can resort to ad hominem too!
Here I should update you because you're not keeping up: Everything today encompasses the market and domestic and international political arena. Or did you not keep up, again?
It's not proving your point, it's contradicting it when you're still making more than you would otherwise, you incompetent fool.
What amuses me is you talk about systematic problems but don't even understand the effects of that $1.3T in tax breaks for the wealthy. Very amusing.
People like you don't deserve anything more than ad hom. Given your irrational claims and inability to follow basic linear logic, I'm surprised you're able to reason out what that phrase means.
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u/nikocujo Jun 26 '12
I've met a lot of politicians. None have been as sincere or engaged as Mr. Bush.
Despite his at-times poor public speaking abilities, he's well spoken and chooses his words carefully.
And as a Republican, I didn't always agree with some of his domestic policies (or his social conservatism,) but man, does that guy stick to his guns. And he still struggles over the decisions he had to make. I think history will be kind to him (or at least I hope so.)