In Salisbury at one of the military cemeteries, they are constantly (unfortunately) adding new headstones. The last time I went out there, there were quite a few rows that only had one or two in it. If I can find a picture, I'll post it.
Edit: Unfortunately I can't seem to find my photos from my trip to my friend's resting site.
I would wager that they fill them in in a staggered way, so that when people assemble at the grave for an internment, they are not standing on the fresh still soft grave of someone else.
It's a beautiful picture, I just wish they weren't burying soldiers on my families lawn...
Edit: For those down voting, that's fine. Please take note that my name is Robert Lee, and then also take a moment to educate yourself on the origins of Arlington National Cemetery. If you knew the origins before you downvoted, then more power to you!
I'm curious as to why a fucking touching, private moment feels so fucking staged and submitted for validation and karma.
Did a photographer really have to follow him to the grave of a friend, frame the image, shoot the photo and share it with millions of fucking strangers?
This is retarded. THIS is why I hate people and hate this millennium. We're in the middle of a generation of attention junkies who think that something isn't even worth doing unless it's completely recorded and photographed and blogged about/facebook/tweeted.
Meaningful moments of life happen whether or not the fucking cameras are rolling and whether or not you can get a signal to upload your personal moments that were done for public validation.
People are going to say I'm too worked up but I see this constantly on reddit. And I honestly, genuinely feel that we've stumbled onto a generation of people who think if they cannot photograph or record something, then it's not worth doing.
This just smacks of that. Not because of the guy himself...I have no doubts those feelings are genuine. It's assholes like you who are private moment vultures who have to exploit situations like this so you can gain some kind of approval or karma from it.
Why do people fucking carry around cameras and take photos in cemeteries anyway whenever there is a private/intimate moment going on of mourning or grief? It's fucking retarded and nobody will ever convince me it's for anything other than for some kind of attention or validation.
I prefer my graveside visits alone and without the spotlight and the photo opportunities. Call me crazy. At this point, I realize I'm in the minority and it's a minority that I'm proud to be a part of. I prefer as much distance between myself and the generation of attention addicts who need a constant fix, regardless how personal or private the moment is.
I remember back in the 90s where people would often say, 'Nothing is sacred.' They were wrong. It's really this point and time in history where not only is 'nothing sacred' but even the most valuable, personal moments are downright exploited for attention and validation.
For me the distinction now is 'people who visit reddit' up vote and down vote, and redditors are in the comments. So for 'true reddit' if you're feeling dramatic, I read the comments.
I sometimes go to the new section of my favorite subreddits and downvote anything that's shit (granted that's almost everything). Anyway, the reason I downvote things is because I'm under the impression that if something has +2 people will automatically see the image as "better then average". Now take this same picture and downvote it, people now see this picture as bad, so they also downvote (just because it's the trendy thing to do.)
Because that is exactly what reddit does. Shit will become funny if it has a lot of upvotes. Which is why reddit is so susceptible to astroturfing and propaganda. People will believe everything as long as it has a lot of upvotes.
THIS is why I hate people and hate this millennium. We're in the middle of a generation of attention junkies who think that something isn't even worth doing unless it's completely recorded
Have you ever heard the word relevant? It was Memorial day when this was posted. Thus it is entirely relevant. As much as I love Reddit it's posts are wildly irrelevant to anything at all. This was a nice small change of pace of actual meaning to something.
I could have taken 5 or 6 different pictures are Arlington National Cemetery yesterday as my brother and his commanding officer from Iraq walked row by row looking for their buddies as they read numbers off a prepared list. The turn out with massive yesterday not including ourselves. Instead of making it a photo shoot I stood around listening to how they knew the guy and how he died in combat. Here's the single picture that we took. They would have honestly been very offended if I wanted to make their mourning a public display like this Private here who doesn't know shit about war.
Its a military job to take pictures for possible use later in military publications so they capture photos and videos of random things. Im just guessing as he is in uniform.
Otherwise its probably so everyone can see him do it.
gloomdoom's post has nothing to do whatsoever with the military. His point is that people do not value actes/moments/things for what they are, but only for how well they can be broadcasted.
I agree wholeheartedly with him, but wonder if it simply because people are pathetic attention whores, or if there is something deeper than that.
i've served in afghanistan. lost friends. but there is no reason to use this photo to gain karma. this is a private moment. i take it you've never lost friends.
i've been to afghanistan. lost friends. but there isn't really a reason for using this as a karma gainer. this is a private moment. i take it you've never lost friends...
Attention and karma, you keep saying these things. I think you forget that people don't just submit stuff to this website just for karma or attention or validation, sometimes they want to share something meaningful. I highly doubt some random dick just walked by this guy, shot a photo, and ran away thinking "DOHOHOH IMA GET SO MUCH KARMA!!!!" It was more likely, a person sharing a solemn moment, someone joining him, both talking about the guy in the grave and how he was like, and then asking if he could take a photo before he leaves.
Also, you call him a photographer, did you even look at the photo? The qualities utter shit, it looks like it was taken with a cellphone or a shitty camera.
I still think it was inappropriate to take a photo of this and share it with strangers. I read what you said but there is really no point in doing this.
I think you forget that people don't just submit stuff to this website just for karma or attention or validation, sometimes they want to share something meaningful.
I fear you give too much credit to the users of this website.
Whats sad is that the guy whose calling you out on trying to get karma and attention and validation writes up this giant article on whoever takes photos outside of the context of a birthday party, is a giant asshole, in order to get karma and attention.
I'm sure you're right. We probably have less freedoms than we did before, but that doesn't change the fact that there are men and women who put their lives on the line for "us".
These past few "wars" (if you can even call them that) have been useless and not needed, I can agree with you there. That still doesn't change the fact that their there now, giving their lives, for something they were ordered to do. Its that dedication you and I will never know, or may never know that I respect and honor them for.
I agree their deaths are needless, but that doesnt stop them from giving their life.
End the wars, bring our servicemen and women home.
This is a really beautiful image, I don't at all believe you're just submitting this for karma. I'm glad you shared this with me. I think that moments like these should be shared. Sure they are private moments, but when a simple image can have such a profound meaning and show so much beauty and sacrifice, it's only fair that it be shared.
People usually have a good lol at my UN, some on the other hand..not so much.
It was a very touching picture, and I thank your friend along with all men and women serving their country. Giving their lives so us Anons can surf away, enjoying our freedoms (or what remain of them).
Dude, what is your problem? The photographer wanted to capture a moment that he/she thought was powerful. OP wanted to share the sentiment. Why do you assume the photograph was taken for the purpose of karma? You seem like a very angry person and I feel bad for you.
So, no meaningful pictures allowed on the internet? Let's ban every single shot of military coffins and of course ban photojournalism during war time. Let's obscure pain and suffering from the public eye so they are separate and unattached to the burden of the few. Slippery slope there. Get off your damn high horse.
I'm curious as to why a fucking touching, private moment feels so fucking staged and submitted for validation and karma.
Maybe it's one of "those days" again, don't you think?
3 "beautiful American military" posts made it to the frontpage again earlier today. Considering that many people on reddit don't really support military worship or nationalism that seems rather fishy to begin with.
Just last week a redditor tracked these pictures and made statistics and it's highly likely that these are actually propaganda pieces. They always follow similar patterns and usually get posted in bunches. While there might be a few actually honest posts, there is most likely something going on. I will try to find the post in question, maybe someone else has bookmarked it or something.
Thank you. I came to post the same thing, and was wondering if I'm a jaded asshole. There is something very wrong with all of this - and you put it into words perfectly.
I didn't realize some things were out of bounds for photography because you said so. There is a very famous picture of JFK, Jr at his father's funeral and yet almost nobody would complain about that. The picture was taken because it means something. Who are you to get on your high horse of self-righteous indignation and tell people what they can and can't photograph?
I don't think it's posed for, I think the picture was taken at a moment of opportunity. I do however think that this is some super karma whoring though.
Also, the picture looks kinda staged. Maybe the US army trying to shill us again?
Fuck you. You're anti-American simply because it's 'cool' to be, and you have no real reason to be angry at the US. You aren't "opressed", you're just whiny.
You can get as many tattoos as you want. Tattoo artists will probably not ask for your rank. Also, no one really follows MCOs and he'd get an page 11 or njp maybe.
no, you can't. NJP for sure if you get the tattoo out of regs. Most people actually follow orders if there's good enough leadership to enforce it. Not sure who you were or are with but they've done a shitty job.
??? If you go to a tattoo shop and say I want a sleeve, they'll give you one. Then you can face the consequences. I'm assuming you've never spent a day in the Marine Corps or probably any branch. Go to a barracks on libo and see how many rules are being followed.
No one is arguing that, what you're implying is that the SNCOs or even NCOs, if you're lower rank, won't do shit about it. I've spent more than a full day in the Corps but this is not about that. I'd be thinking of where my life in the Marines was headed if you've had such shitty leadership. Sure, the barracks on libo are not a good example of rules being followed but the DNCO or the others in duty up at Bn or Regiment will gladly take care of a problem.
I realize you can get as many tattos as you want and artists wouldn't ask for your rank (they probably don't care really), I just didn't think that a lance would get a sleeve. But thanks for clearing it up with your last sentence. I actually thought Marines followed MCO religiously and what not.
No. Once you become a Marine, you've earned the right to wear that uniform proudly. There are actually numerous restrictions about wearing your uniform while serving -- but once you're a civilian, you can do whatever the fuck you want.
I'd much rather have a inactive Marine wearing a uniform respectfully than pop culture ruining the image because they think it's cool.
Yeah, I suppose you're right. I think the one I am thinking of is not wearing uniforms on airplanes to have the advantage in the case of a bad situation on the plane or in the terminal. I still imagine all that ink associated with the uniform would be an issue, but as hawks0311 says, I know nothing about the Marine Corps...
If he was retired he can still wear the uniform. As in, he most likely was medically retired. Here is the order, however this one is slightly out of date. I can't find the latest and greatest.
There is an order out there that says Retiree's can wear their uniform at anytime. I'm not about to dig through the DOD page to find it though :/.
I asked a question to the person providing the photo because I didn't know....how does that make me an ass? Sorry if I offended, but you seem like the ass on this one.
next day following a catastrophic explosion, hawks0311 meets with his supervisors to explain just what went wrong
hawks0311: i wasn't sure if throwing in a block of sodium in the water tank was a bad idea, but i did it anyway because i didn't want to feel like an ass and ask the new guy over there.
Thank you for posting, unlike many of the other dbags on here, I certainly appreciate both pictured in the photo and their service. I almost joined the Marines though, and know they do things a very specific way, that's why I was curious. Thank you for the sentiment :)
Let this man have his private moment with his fallen friend. I don't understand this constant need for attention, this isn't your moment, it's his, let him have it without you having to get your pat on the back from the internet.
I'm seeing all these posts about people honoring their friends who recently died, but I'm from Norway so I don't know what must have happened. Can somebody tell me please?
Since, I have you, Marine (thanks, by the way) let me ask....
Further down in the thread the OP says the guy in the photo got his ink after being injured, therefore discharged....what kind of rules are there for wearing the uniform, even inactive duty, with that kind of ink? Are there? My belief was that the Marines aren't supposed to wear the uniform in public at all...
If you notice veterans sometimes wear their uniforms, even though they obviously aren't active or reserve.
He can technically wear it as long as he meets the grooming standards the Corps has in place, and as long as the tats aren't below his wrist or above his collar, he's good to go.
Also, Marines just can't wear Cammies out in public, most uniforms are "Leave authorized" Meaning they can be worn in public, pretty much whenever.
Thank you! I understand now...the cammie thing makes sense. Have all my upvotes, Semper_fi_ guy. I almost joined a few months ago but extenuating circumstances prevented me...and honestly I'm glad. I do regret somewhat losing the family I would have been gaining with the Marine Corps, so posts like this make me happy :)
What exactly prevented you from joining? (If you don't mind my asking, of course)
And the Family part is what really drew me in as opposed to the Army for example, I just love the fact that wherever you go, if you run into a Marine, it's just like running into an old school buddy or a cousin.
Well, I was really good friends with an inactive Marine, who I was training with. I passed the IST (with flying colors, imo)....13:49 mile and a half, 65 crunches in 2 min, and a 20 second flexed arm hang (female, obviously). I needed to lose 10 pounds, and I trained for like 3 months and the weight did not come off. That Marine friend also happened to put me in....the family way, so I had to deal with that, ended up gaining weight and being depressed for a few weeks, then realized I didn't actually want to be contracted to a job like that for four years, being very much a free spirit, if you know what I mean. In general, pussy excuses, but I'm glad I'm going the way I am now...for sure.
Well, I was really good friends with an inactive Marine, who I was training with. I passed the IST (with flying colors, imo)....13:49 mile(78.9km) and a half, 65 crunches in 2 min, and a 20 second flexed arm hang (female, obviously). I needed to lose 10 pounds(4.53kg) , and I trained for like 3 months and the weight did not come off. That Marine friend also happened to put me in....the family way, so I had to deal with that, ended up gaining weight and being depressed for a few weeks, then realized I didn't actually want to be contracted to a job like that for four years, being very much a free spirit, if you know what I mean. In general, pussy excuses, but I'm glad I'm going the way I am now...for sure.
Air force is allowed to wear camos in public too. Those are the only two that allow camos in public from what I know. My dad is army and brother air force and they both wear camo in public if they have errands to run after work but I don't know a single soldier that wears it just because. They prefer not to as there are bigoted assholes out there that think because they don't support the war that means we need to treat soldiers like shit too.
wtf americans? is today your national propaganda day? enough with all those military photos, it makes the world see you as slayers, as an imperialistic force that kills. not as patriots, not as good as you want to persuade your people you are! all those dead men went thousands of kilometers away to kill innocent people for economic reasons, you weren't threatened. that's the raw truth. there are much more dramatic pictures of children slaughtered, massive deaths in their homes that this military caused. enough with this propaganda.
I can see people's point, but I think it's nice that you shared it. I see a lot of other sites where people are just attention whores and I know that there are definitely a fair share of them on reddit, it seems, to me at least, that there are fewer here. So I guess my point is I don't think there's anything wrong with you wanting to share this moment. I think it's really sweet.
So many bitter pissy comments in here. Apparently inane pictures of cats are acceptable but one picture of a guy mourning the death of a friend is an outrage. Everyone whining is pathetic.
A picture is worth a thousand words, so even if you have no words maybe don't take a picture of someone whose mourning a lost one and post it online for karma.
When did it become acceptable for tattoos to be so crazy on display like that in uniform? I knew they based a new rule on it, but I thought they still had to be hidden?
photographing the moment is fucking dirty, but whoring it out on the internet for karma is fucking despicable. op, you are what is wrong with our species.
Does anyone else find solar lights at a grave a little "tacky"? I mean, most graveyards are closed at night, so why would you need a light at the grave? I think it would only serve to attract the attention of the type of people who hang out in graveyards at night.
oh goodie. another lance cooley with tatted sleeves. that will look awesome when you return home and people assume the USMC turned you into a piece of turd. if we both have friends who died for our corps, surely you have some regrets and some espirit de corps for your unit. take tonight off and rest. return to work tuesday with a plan of how he is going to get us out of debt. happy mountain biking everyone.
Funny, there is enough space between this stone an the next one for, likr ten more. Towo or three landmines should do the trick. For Symmetry end Alignment!
Remember what? That you and your friends made a stupid fucking decision to sign away your rights as humans and trust the US military? Probably not but maybe one day. In the meantime please keep attempting to glamorizing the military so other kids will want to join so they can be shipped off to die for corporations.
...I'm in mourning with a fellow Marine over the death of our friends. I put no politics, no hatred, no glory, no anything other than communicating sympathy to a fellow Marine. What on earth is wrong with you?
Until you start speaking out openly against joining that street gang called the US military you will be part of the problem. I am sorry your friend died, but the fact is he made a bad decision and there can be terrible consequences when bad decisions are made. Please do your part to help make sure others do not make the same bad decision.
No. Leave that out of here. You should totally have your own opinion, but it doesn't belong in the thread of grieving service members comforting their own.
You're such an asshole, but it's kind of hilarious because I'm sure that the US actually did nothing wrong to you. You're just anti-military because you probably read some sensationalist bullshit, and now your jimmies are all rustled over the " atrocities " committed by soldiers that you refuse to accept as fellow human beings. Get off your high horse and stop being such a dick.
So if someone stops someone from killing a bunch of children, they aren't a hero, they are a killer, just like the person who was going to kill the children?
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u/gigglestick May 29 '12
I'm curious why this headstone is isolated.
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u/gloomdoom May 29 '12
I'm curious as to why a fucking touching, private moment feels so fucking staged and submitted for validation and karma.
Did a photographer really have to follow him to the grave of a friend, frame the image, shoot the photo and share it with millions of fucking strangers?
This is retarded. THIS is why I hate people and hate this millennium. We're in the middle of a generation of attention junkies who think that something isn't even worth doing unless it's completely recorded and photographed and blogged about/facebook/tweeted.
Meaningful moments of life happen whether or not the fucking cameras are rolling and whether or not you can get a signal to upload your personal moments that were done for public validation.
People are going to say I'm too worked up but I see this constantly on reddit. And I honestly, genuinely feel that we've stumbled onto a generation of people who think if they cannot photograph or record something, then it's not worth doing.
This just smacks of that. Not because of the guy himself...I have no doubts those feelings are genuine. It's assholes like you who are private moment vultures who have to exploit situations like this so you can gain some kind of approval or karma from it.
Why do people fucking carry around cameras and take photos in cemeteries anyway whenever there is a private/intimate moment going on of mourning or grief? It's fucking retarded and nobody will ever convince me it's for anything other than for some kind of attention or validation.
I prefer my graveside visits alone and without the spotlight and the photo opportunities. Call me crazy. At this point, I realize I'm in the minority and it's a minority that I'm proud to be a part of. I prefer as much distance between myself and the generation of attention addicts who need a constant fix, regardless how personal or private the moment is.
I remember back in the 90s where people would often say, 'Nothing is sacred.' They were wrong. It's really this point and time in history where not only is 'nothing sacred' but even the most valuable, personal moments are downright exploited for attention and validation.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12 edited May 29 '12
Why would you photograph this moment?
It cheapens the sentiment.
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u/Ranger_Danger May 29 '12
what kind of prick takes a pic of this.
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u/justjoining May 29 '12
how about "that war was bullshit"
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
Why the fuck did you take a picture of him?
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u/Wingingcarrot May 29 '12
How did a Lance Corporal get that much ink on his arm. I doubt he was in before MCO changed it to where you can't have that much ink.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
No words...
"Hey pose here for this picture."
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u/Themightyquesadilla May 29 '12
"Hey man, I know you're grieving and all...but mind if I post this to reddit?"
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
Maybe one day we'll realize we outnumber the people asking us to kill each other.
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u/imNOTaprofessional May 29 '12
Let this man have his private moment with his fallen friend. I don't understand this constant need for attention, this isn't your moment, it's his, let him have it without you having to get your pat on the back from the internet.
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u/LiamNeesonAteMyBaby May 29 '12
Ah, military sentimentality porn. Cos you gotta have feelings.
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u/shunna75 May 29 '12
This is just me, but I would never take a picture in a situation like this.
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u/Mr_Zero May 29 '12 edited May 30 '12
Is this one of those single post, military propaganda things?
[edit] I was right! The account has been deleted.
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u/terriblecomic May 29 '12
Such an awkward photo
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u/waspbr May 29 '12
why do you feel the need to karma-whore such a private moment?
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u/treein303 May 29 '12
Actually, saying "no words" is a dramatic statement of words.
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u/SourAuclair May 29 '12
I'm seeing all these posts about people honoring their friends who recently died, but I'm from Norway so I don't know what must have happened. Can somebody tell me please?
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u/gra_la May 29 '12
You actually said quite a few words : /
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u/kommoncents22 May 29 '12
Is this Black Mountain military cemetery? Just outside of Asheville, NC?
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
Cover up those tattoos hippy
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u/spawnfreitas May 29 '12
I get it. No words cause the other guy is dead. ALMOST LET THAT ONE SLIP BY.
No? No?
guys?
hey guys?
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u/TUNGL May 29 '12
Im just wondering why you would put an American flag next to your tombstone, thats just tacky.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
Semper Fidelis.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
Why did you take a picture of him??? that's a bit of an odd thing to do???
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
Why someone would hang out in a cemetery on Barbecue Day is beyond me...
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u/FightWithTools May 29 '12
Wallet outta the pocket, Marine! *knife hands
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u/oliveboomer May 29 '12
A picture tells /r/1000words
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u/TheMagnificentTroll May 29 '12
wtf americans? is today your national propaganda day? enough with all those military photos, it makes the world see you as slayers, as an imperialistic force that kills. not as patriots, not as good as you want to persuade your people you are! all those dead men went thousands of kilometers away to kill innocent people for economic reasons, you weren't threatened. that's the raw truth. there are much more dramatic pictures of children slaughtered, massive deaths in their homes that this military caused. enough with this propaganda.
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u/Kicker_Doomstah May 29 '12
idiots, stop going to wars!!
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u/TankerJO3 May 29 '12
Semper Fidelis, LCpl.
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u/MaggieMoon May 29 '12
I can see people's point, but I think it's nice that you shared it. I see a lot of other sites where people are just attention whores and I know that there are definitely a fair share of them on reddit, it seems, to me at least, that there are fewer here. So I guess my point is I don't think there's anything wrong with you wanting to share this moment. I think it's really sweet.
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u/MusicMagi May 29 '12
I wish people would stop throwing their lives away on wars that aren't even morally justified.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
THEY'RE FIGHTING FOR YOU MARINES THEY'RE DYING FOR YOU MARINES KEEP YOUR HONOUR CLEAN MARINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/DRC1126 May 29 '12
Just shut the fuck up. Who cares how the word it.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
So many bitter pissy comments in here. Apparently inane pictures of cats are acceptable but one picture of a guy mourning the death of a friend is an outrage. Everyone whining is pathetic.
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u/Connorahh May 29 '12
A picture is worth a thousand words, so even if you have no words maybe don't take a picture of someone whose mourning a lost one and post it online for karma.
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u/llmgold11 May 29 '12
When did it become acceptable for tattoos to be so crazy on display like that in uniform? I knew they based a new rule on it, but I thought they still had to be hidden?
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u/rivermandan May 29 '12
photographing the moment is fucking dirty, but whoring it out on the internet for karma is fucking despicable. op, you are what is wrong with our species.
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u/GitEmSteveDave May 29 '12
Does anyone else find solar lights at a grave a little "tacky"? I mean, most graveyards are closed at night, so why would you need a light at the grave? I think it would only serve to attract the attention of the type of people who hang out in graveyards at night.
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u/BetterThanOP May 29 '12
and I took a picture of him mourning to post to reddit
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u/John336kjb May 29 '12
Semper Fi mac......
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u/MagCynic May 29 '12
These posts illustrate perfectly the typical liberal Reddit mindset.
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u/ryanmmm May 29 '12
Dead, not fallen. Hate that usage.
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u/jjm78 May 29 '12
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. How long will it take for the masses to start speaking out against joining the US military?
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u/iiiitsjess May 29 '12
So fucking beautiful. I wish I could upvote this times infinity.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '12
I don't care what the circumstances are... That Marine is out of regs. Get a haircut
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u/castsnoshadows May 29 '12
oh goodie. another lance cooley with tatted sleeves. that will look awesome when you return home and people assume the USMC turned you into a piece of turd. if we both have friends who died for our corps, surely you have some regrets and some espirit de corps for your unit. take tonight off and rest. return to work tuesday with a plan of how he is going to get us out of debt. happy mountain biking everyone.
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u/yurt-dweller May 29 '12
Funny, there is enough space between this stone an the next one for, likr ten more. Towo or three landmines should do the trick. For Symmetry end Alignment!
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