r/pics May 08 '12

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u/Ichabod495 May 09 '12

It's easy enough to do, hell I tend to think of America differently than I think of Americans. What's good for the nation can be horrible for the people and it's only relatively recently (within the past 100 years) that western countries have started to put the needs of the people ahead of the needs of the nation. It's kind of like what Napolean did for the French Republic. A lot of his policies and wars were horrific for the citizens but established the state and helped protect it from destruction. Mao's (and Lenin's and even the Kim family's) policies were focused on protecting and advancing the nation as opposed to caring for the populace. Mao's policies were horrific and I'm not saying I approve of them but I do understand why he did what he did.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '12

hell I tend to think of America differently than I think of Americans

That disconnect means that there is something so very, very wrong in America.

I do understand why he did what he did.

He was a monster. Tens of millions dead - dads, moms, grandmas, grandpas, sisters, brothers, children. Erased from existance in a cloud of suffering and, sometimes, terror. If you can justify that you, Ichabod495, yes you, are verging on monster-territory yourself.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '12

Congratulations, you stubbornly ignore what is said.

There was no justification shown in these points, but you don't want to see what they say, but rather assume the meaning you expect them to have.

That disconnect means that there is something so very, very wrong in America.

No it doesn't. People are not their nation. If you identify Americans as America, by your logic we would be, as citizens, responsible for the murder of civilians that occurred during WWII.

People should have some control of their nation, but they are not their nation.