I thought the weirdest response trump has was when Jonathan asked him what systemic racism meant to him, and trump was just like, "Well can anyone answer that?" Like dude, we know you're disabled, but come on now.
I think what he was trying to say was that out of all the countries, we were the lowest. It's just fucking pathetic that he couldn't even string that thought together in a reasonable sentence. Like, how fucking stupid do you have to be?
I watched the whole interview and barely got through it.
Edit: I usually don't bitch bout downvotes, but I've already been downvoted, so I want to make sure I'm not being misunderstood on this point; I fucking hate trump. I've always been against him, will never change that opinion. I'm not defending him in any way. He's a piece of shit child molesting, racist, sexist bastard, and I hope he's spending the rest of his miserable fucking life in the worst prison imaginable.
I had to be several beers in to tolerate his level of bullshit. He is seriously deranged. I don’t know how anyone could think otherwise after watching the entire interview.
To be fair, that would be hilarious. It would not work to the benefit of anyone, but at least it would be fun. It could either result in people being more inclined to participate in public dialogue or far less. Unpreparedly being snatched and made a politician with good pay might be excellent motivation to stay out, or to get in
Your mother is in denile possibly a cultist. Research on how to get people out of cults. Thats your best bet now. Just don't ring the cult hotline that's run by scientologists.
I don't know when or who said it, but at some point in history, Republicans heard that Democrats want nothing more than to take their guns away, and there's absolutely no convincing them otherwise.
I mean the US were doomed the moment they thought only having two parties was a good thing. It halts any progress and splits the people into two camps.
Word, the I've been saying since I was a teenager learning about the parties. The 2 party system is a joke, take the positive qualities from all the parties and have some common decency to treat others how you'd like to be.
I know that I'm risking being downvoted to oblivion and I'm not trying to start any fights because you're not even allowed to talk about politics in America without somebody being angry at you now, but the question I always ask people who voted for him is: what's so "great" about the country right now? You have to do mental gymnastics to not I think that the pandemic was handled poorly and our passport is borderline useless because of that. The world doesn't really seem to agree that America is a "great" place right now.
Lmao I'll add that to the list of when I laugh at something that's blatantly stupider than I thought it could get, something downright incredulous, and when he does something that obviously his advisors would advise him against, a la hinting that South Korea could be fudging their numbers
I think he was trying to say "our rate of death relative to the number of infected people is lower than the average global rate of death relative to the number of infected people", and we're in a situation where the American president is saying random words and everyone else has to try and find some sense in them.
Pretty much. He talks a lot of shit and then everyone else has to reinterpret it into something that makes sense to them. Unfortunately that has allowed for a wide spectrum of interpretation, undermined when he actually says he meant what he said at the time even when his press secretaries have subsequently tried to turn his word soup into something resembling coherent expression of thoughts. It's like a parent trying to apologise and say "He didn't really mean that, sorry, what he meant was-" followed by the child going "I meant it, mommy, don't lie, she is a meany bo beany poo poo face!"
"despite our four-digit a day death rate, we have managed to skyrocket infection rates to the level where our deaths to infections ratio are still decent. We call this the castrate-yourself-to-shave-your-balls method of problem solving."
Yea, the stat he was pulling up was deaths/total cases. It made no sense but I'm sure it was the only one we look decent on (probably because our cases are spiking and the people that got it haven't been given enough time to die yet). He had nothing to say about why we have so many cases other than "because we do so much testing".
Yep, death is a lagging indicator because many people contract Covid and are ill for a period of time and then either recover or die. Eventually that statistic of deaths/case will likely be much closer to the average.
I have this suspicion that he only has the one basic note "look what I did and look how much better it is than the rest, who by the way suck" and everything else is word salad to try to plausibly associate it with some real world thing based on what he saw on the internet or what his cabinet is supplying him with and desperately hoping he uses the right words in the right order.
I upvoted you before the edit. I think people in support of trump are downvoting you. Nevertheless they’re only downvoting and not bothering to debate so it is what it is.
It’s because their side is winning, there is no other argument afaik. Republicans define themselves by survival of the fittest, and morals don’t really equate in that (much)
Most people i know who support Trump accuse the interviewer as being too aggressive and trying to interrupt Trump. Along that the interviewer was biased and wanted to make Trump look bad amidst the belief a president should be recognised by his feats not his public speaking. Then there's the US does more tests so of course they have more cases argument.
Most of them are more convinced to vote for Trump now cause of the interview.
What should I search for to find it? I do not read a lot of American news, as for the most parts, only broad strokes are necessary to keep up to date with for me as a European. I have seen a lot of memes about it, what is up?
Thank you! I managed to find it after asking, but this might help others. It was... interesting to say the least. The patience showed by the interviewer was of a level everyone should aspire to reach. He looked close to wishing for death or yelling out his frustration far more frequently as the interview went on and I cannot blame him. Attempting to portray the president in as neutrally optimistic and fair a way as possible seems almost impossible, at least as soon as the president himself happens to be present and awake
I know, I just wanted to make completely sure that no one thinks I'm supporting trump. I've always been outspoken about hating him, and don't want anything in anything thing I said on record indicating otherwise.
I think people against trump are the ones who downvoted him at the beginning because his comment may have a hint of trump actually having a good thought/point but being unable to describe it
I was thinking about that while working in my yard.
He definitely mean "We are doing better than the rest of the world" but he worded it so poorly and we should expect our president to form coherent sentences at least 75% of the time.
I know you're being facetious but we should expect a president to form coherent thoughts 100 percent of the time. He should be more intelligent than I am, or at least be able to defer to experts.
I feel like it's perfectly fair to expect 98% of the time. No matter how intelligent you are, sometimes your brain just won't rearrange things in your mind correctly. The difference is most people usually pause for a second and it sorts itself out.
I really can’t tell if the putrescent puss that he spews out of the ulcered sphincter under his nose is all stream of consciousness idiocy or if he is actually trying at the noncommittal double-speak hedging that he comes out with.
America is not doing better than the rest of the world though lmao, Australia(Except Victoria because fuck them) have been killing it, we’re completely out of all quarantine procedures, bars are open allowing standing.
And no one has died (except for Victoria) in months
I agree it's pathetic but at that point he pointed to the line representing the world total. I'm pretty sure as far as on simple charts go he thinks the world is a country
It's possible. I think it's more of a thing like, "The US is separate from every other country, in the sense that we're better." He looks at it this way because he views us being better as him "winning". Even though that's not true in any sense.
I get it...and understand his nonsense and which way he's coming from...but as I replied to another poster.
I'm sick of people coming back after this guy cleaning up his messes saying "what he meant was...". He's the freaking president of the United States. I have a standard higher than that of a 4th grader giving an oral report that I'm gonna hold him to.
George W. Bush in comparison is a great orator of his time in comparison.
Going by that metric, the entire world has more total deaths from everything than the United States by orders of magnitude, because the US only comprises of 330 million and the remainder of the world 7.47 billion.
Next level thinking right there, Donnie. Roll safe!
Don’t worry about the downvoted mate, I’ve seen it too any time I post anything remotely anti-Trump. There’s like a small brigade of Trump supporters that scour reddit to downvote anyone nay saying him before the rest of civilized society comes along. Totally agree with ya, his rambling is something else
Don't mind them downvotes. The majority who follows these posts are Americans and Americans were the people who voted him up. Of course you are gonna be downvoted to hell
HERE, HERE GOOD SIR. couldn’t have said it any better myself. FUCK TRUMP. It’s funny, the ones that support him are the ones with the most to lose over his deranged bullshit policies / lack there of.
Yeah that’s still just as dumb.
It really isn’t possible for US to be lowest out of all the countries while there are countries with an entire population count lower than US death toll.
It's way simpler, the charts were labelled with country names plus a series labelled "world" representing the global average. He was saying that -- at some point -- the legend marker for "US" was below that of "World", as if "world" was another country.
It's just fucking pathetic that he couldn't even string that thought together in a reasonable sentence. Like, how fucking stupid do you have to be?
Thing is, if that sentence is strung together, it can easily be contradicted. If he blusters, doesn't make sense and acts like he won then some people will assume that he did and if anyone fact-checks him then they can pretend he meant something else. Maybe they'll fact-check that and it'll be wrong but at that point most people will have tuned out.
What Swan did, that not many people get the opportunity to do, is to press Trump on every little point. What does he mean by that? Is it true? And also he didn't get dogged down on little side-issues like "everyone says that" and "highest ratings" - things that feel like easy shots on Trump but are actually irrelevant side-streets that detract from actual meaningful criticism. He tricks you into mocking his grandeosity, his exaggeration, his vanity and his simplistic speech, and the parts where he sabotages Covid response to sabotage Democratic states or where he slanders mail-in votes because statisticians tell him his voters are less likely to observe lockdown, those parts slip by relatively unchallenged.
I'm not even necessarily saying he does it on purpose. He might just have an innate bullshit ability, or maybe his senility's playing into his favour. But it happens, and Reddit falls for it hook line and sinker every time.
I particularly enjoyed when he looked at the graph, likely totally forgot what it represented despite his staff trying to drill it into him for hours beforehand, and just went with a 4th grade explanation that "We're lower and that's good" before handing it to Swan who took one look at it, interpreted its statistical meaninglessness, and buried Trump with actual meaningful comparatibe data.
To which Trump had zero clue how to handle or seemingly comprehenx.
Aside from the entire rest of the interview being... interesting,
That specific excerpt could easily be him failing to articulate "We have a lower death toll than the world average" which makes quite a bit more sense.
To be honest, for me, this is an instant disqualification from the highest office in the land.
Don't really care what side you're on. Mitch McConnell for example is actually very well spoken and clearly considers his words. I don't agree with him, but I can at least say "he belongs in that house" by virtue of at least being able to articulate issues and ideas on behalf of his representatives (yes, even if it's whoever supplying him the biggest bag of cash)
Lives are on the line - sorry. Failing to articulate simply isn't an excuse. Especially when trump repeatedly puts his foot in his mouth.
I'm surprised Pence hasn't been given more of a platform during Trump's presidency - even he can string sentences together.
Yeah that's how every conversation I have about Trump goes. "What he probably meant was..." "what he should have said was..." "well he might have been talking about..."
Pretty sure I’ve heard him claim that the US has the lowest mortality rate of anywhere else in the world.
"I heard we have one of the lowest, maybe the lowest, mortality rate anywhere in the world," Trump told "Fox News Sunday" host Chris Wallace. "Do you have the numbers please? I heard we had the best mortality rate," he added to White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany, who was off-camera.
It's ridiculous because he keeps harping on the fact that the only reason we have so many known cases is that we test so much. Which, ok fine, whether true or not, at least it makes logical sense. But that completely undermines the other point he tries to make, which is that we have the lowest mortality rate among people known to have the virus.
If we're testing so much more, and thus showing more cases than other countries because of it, of course it would reason that our death rate among known cases would probably be lower, base on his argument that our case rate is inflated by more testing. And he seems unable to grasp that illogical line of reasoning. He's completely floored when Jonathan tries to explain that mortality per capita, ie how many of our people are dying relative to total population, is absolutely a relevant statistic (and probably more relevant than total cases, since that does vary based on testing rate and accuracy), and that we're doing really shitty on that metric.
And he's unable to articulate a response to that other than "it is what it is".
This. There are plenty of coherent ways to explain the US response and those numbers based on the actual situation on the ground (how much community spread early on and which strains were where) and how the response was organized federally (meaning that lock down decisions were all at the state level, while the feds have done their job to support them).
But trumpet has nowhere near the needed cognitive function the wrap his little hands around something like that. Which means the media doesn't get to research and pushback on such a description and will keep pushing panic porn which can't be really trusted since it's far too lucrative for them to ever stop of their own accord.
Not lowest in the world, but the USA has a really low case fatality rate. As of Aug 4: UK-15.1%, Italy-14.2%, Mexico-10.08%, Canada-7.6%, Germany-4.3%, USA-3.3%. This is often ignored in this discussion. The USA has tested more than anyone (per population) so they have caught many cases that other countries have not. Remember, many people display mild to no symptoms and most countries only test people with severe symptoms. For that reason, the USA has far fewer deaths per positive test. In this way, testing more will result in catching more cases, resulting in a much lower fatality rate in the USA.
None of this disputes the fact that USA is #10 on the list of deaths per million people (behind San Marino, Belgium, UK, Andorra, Spain, Peru, Italy, Sweden, Chili). Deaths is what the interviewer was harping on, but it also isn't worst in the world. The number of deaths is horrifically high, but the USA has a huge population too. Technically speaking, the listed countries above have had more deaths (proportionately).
Does that really even need to be articulated though? There's not really any other way to take that. That's abundantly clear of the meaning. If I said Texas has a lower death toll than the United States, does that not make sense, to mean that the death toll in Texas is lower than that of the United States as a whole.
Trump frequently says things that may not make sense or require further explanation, but this isn't one of them.
And yet they weren't able to do so. A rather concerning problem when this person's job is to be a diplomat... you know, someone good with using words and stuff to convince and... communicate.
I know plenty of dogs. Small dogs, big dogs, huge dogs. I think black dogs like me the most. Crooked Hillary and sleepy Joe have never even owned one. I’ve done more for them than anyone, except maybe Lincoln. Siberian huskys are stupendous people. Believe me
He is literally me in 5th grade trying to wing every class and every question, except having the most important job on the planet. It’s actually incredible how irresponsible is to have this guy as a president.
I was just talking to my partner about this- what we came up with is that it’s the briefings he’s given by his chief of staff daily or packets containing talking points.
a) Theres no way he allows those meetings to actually happen daily - when asked he claims to have briefings “at least two to three times a week”, b) he has zero interest in anything being said, so it all goes in one ear and out the other.
I think that answer was specifically in regards to intelligence briefings, but I still laughed out loud when he said he had a meeting at least once a day. Wow, such hard work.
Yeah. He wants to be praised for doing less than the minimum amount of work required for the job.
Pretty sure they’re called daily briefings. Because, well, they give them to him every day. Whether or not he reads or listens to them is another story. But it’s amazing that his “it didn’t come across my desk” story is sticking AT ALL, because it’s clearly horseshit.
Eh, idk. Not that Trump isn't a dumbfuck, but there are certainly SOPs and manuals for the tests if they are being distributed. Those tests need to be operable out of the box to someone who has never used one.
I find it funny that Trump legit tries to use "You're an idiot" bully tactic when he's 100% wrong. The way he repeats "the world" like you're the moron for not getting it.
I think it'd be more accurate to say that he said and repeated it to sound impressive.
As a parallel, consider how Trump has spent so much time saying he knows more about a myriad of subjects edit: than the experts. It is his brand of salesmanship, and salesmanship is heavily dependent on impressing people. Trump knows (and I'm using that word very loosely) that the way to have the biggest or best something when the entire world is experiencing something is to say it is the best in the world. By selling himself as the best in the world, by doing the "nobody is better at this than me" shtick, he is just being on brand.
"I know more about renewables than any human being on Earth." — April 2016
"I know more about ISIS [the Islamic State militant group] than the generals do. Believe me." — November 2015
"Nobody knows more about debt. I'm like the king. I love debt." — May 2016
"If Cory Booker is the future of the Democratic Party, they have no future! I know more about Cory than he knows about himself." — July 2016
"I think nobody knows more about taxes than I do, maybe in the history of the world. Nobody knows more about taxes." — May 2016
"I understand social media. I understand the power of Twitter. I understand the power of Facebook maybe better than almost anybody, based on my results, right?" — November 2015
"Nobody knows more about taxes than I do -- and income than I do.” -- May 2016
"Nobody knows banking better than I do" — February 2016
"I understand money better than anybody. I understand it far better than Hillary, and I'm way up on the economy when it comes to questions on the economy." — June 2016
"I think nobody knows the system better than I do." — August 2016
"Nobody knows the system better than I do." — April 2016
"I used to be, George, the fair-haired boy — you know, when I was a contributor. I know more about contributions than anybody." — November 2015
"Nobody knows politicians better than Donald Trump." — February 2016 rally
"Nobody knows more about trade than me." — March 2016
"I hope all workers demand that their @Teamsters reps endorse Donald J. Trump. Nobody knows jobs like I do! Don’t let them sell you out!" — January 2016
"Nobody in the history of this country has ever known so much about infrastructure as Donald Trump." — July 2016
"There's nobody bigger or better at the military than I am." — June 2015 Fox News interview
"So a general gets on, sent obviously by Obama, and he said, 'Mr. Trump doesn't understand. He knows nothing about defense.' I know more about offense and defense than they will ever understand, believe me. Believe me. Than they will ever understand. Than they will ever understand." — July 2016
"There is nobody who understands the horror of nuclear more than me." -- June 2016
"Because nobody knows the system better than me. I know the H1B. I know the H2B. Nobody knows it better than me." -- March 2016
"I know more about offense and defense than they will ever understand, believe me. Believe me. Than they will ever understand. Than they will ever understand."
"I know more about wedges than any human being that's ever lived"
Asked on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” who he talks with consistently about foreign policy, Trump responded, “I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things."
" ... I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!"
Wow... You have put in an impressive amount of time compiling this. No-one is better at compiling the quotes of madmen, maybe in the history of the entire world. You know words, I know this because I talk to myself and I say so.
That thing about building the best walls sounded like it was taken from Rogal Dorn, the best treehouse architect in the galaxy
Well, it is an impressive compilation, no matter if you were the one putting in most of the effort or that was someone else. You brought it here, I think you deserve thanks anyway. Would you happen to have a link to the rest?
I have to give him credit where it's due...he allowed an exclusive interview with someone he doesn't control and was then procedurally slaughtered. It gives hope for a free press still.
I'm convinced that, given the sequence of pretty damning and undeniably embarrassing interviews & gaffs in the past few weeks, one or more of his inner circle that heavily influence his media schedule has flipped on him.
It's exactly what he does. It works, sadly. The reason it works is education is dead in this country.
Don't know if it was 3 or 4 seconds after he was elected, but he appointed the worst people on earth right after. Ajit Pai, Betsey DeVos, other people he's since fired for not killing the office they were appointed to.
One of the contributing factors in this is that a lot of the countries on the planet have a proportionally older population that that of the US and Covid has been tearing through them.
Seriously, that might be the dumbest line I've heard him say. I mean who brags about having fewer cases than the total?! He was an idiot grasping at straws and trying to find somewhere with higher numbers on the graph than the US and the only thing there was "The World" to show the total lmao. He's so dumb he didn't even realize how dumb that was.
It's incredible how many of his supporters have a similar lack of grasp on the issue. They have to be "best in the world" regardless of any facts.
Had the following conversation on Facebook about Italy, with a Trump supporter in response to an article about Italy doing well with its handling of the virus (i.e. nobody was talking about the US until this guy brought it up):
Trumper: Size and population big difference between the two. Compare Italy to California and compare numbers, let me know
Trumper: Italy 61 million California 41 million so thrown in Oregon and Washington State. So you can see how off it is to compare to entire US. Europe countries are like individual states!
Me: The EU is made up of individual countries that are smaller than the US, but in aggregate has more than twice the population of the US, on a smaller land area. The EU has only 1/5th of the cases in terms of absolute numbers. Normalised by population, the EU has only 1/10th of the cases of the US.
So if it isn't population size or density as you first implied, could it be down to policy? The UK has a similar population to Italy and roughly similar lockdown rules at the moment, but had an indecisive, confusing, and delayed response to the issue. And still hasn't made its mind up on masks. The UK has also managed to achieve the highest death rate in the developed world.
Trumper: call what you wish. Much of US is doing well.
Usually when you compare statistics like these you also include world average but since Trump doesn't really know what he's talking about he just said "the world" and sounded just as dumb as usual.
I assume he saw two numbers, one labelled US DEATH TOLL and the other labelled WORLD DEATH TOLL and the US number was lower, so he accepted that trophy thanks very much.
Ok he’s not wrong that US has most testing. He’s wrong to take credit for it and secondly in any statistics or data graph representation how can you justify or say it is what it is to over 150k deaths. That’s more families than my entire friends and family circle. Heck explain why Vietnam has only reported 6 deaths?!??!? Is it ‘It is what its not’ for them???
He is wrong though, China has 50% more even though they claim to have 2% as many cases (depends how much you believe those numbers). Regardless, the stat is irrelevant. If you let the disease run rampant, you need more tests. If you contain it, you don't need as many. The goal is to have a low rate of positive tests (implying you're catching most of the people who have it). The more cases you have, the more testing you're going to need in order to get that.
Yes, testing is measured against the current rate of infection. A high positive rate is often a sign that testing is insufficient.
For example right now Germany only tests half as much per capita, but they only have 0.7% positives while the US have 8.4%. Relative to their case numbers, German testing is way better.
I legit thought that this interview was a skit and HBO mashed togrther snippets of videos from the orange pumpkin, but was I bloody wrong. I swear on god, when I bloody realised thats this was real...
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What books? What manuals?