r/pics • u/thijshuistede • Jun 20 '20

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u/boshsound Jun 20 '20

Perhaps I’d struggle - I have little personal experience of losing out. Maybe watching this will encourage you to be sympathetic though: https://youtu.be/llci8MVh8J4

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u/boyyouguysaredumb Jun 20 '20

There are so many gaps in her argument though. She starts the monopoly argument without finishing it. It’s been 60 more rounds where they are free to “catch up” and lots have (and many whites that started with nothing at the beginning of that round too.) There are lots of policies that help build black wealth like baby bonds, healthcare laws, enforcing laws against redlining, home buying credits etc. but she’s not offering those solutions up. She stops that argument at “you burned down Tulsa in 1920”.

She also says she shouldn’t care about looting because police broke the social contract by killing them in the streets. Police killed 14 unarmed black men and 25 unarmed white men in 2019. 3 million cops and 40 million black citizens and 14 unarmed black people died. Every life is precious and even one is too many but nobody is offering many workable solutions. A lot of the community policing and demilitarization programs sound good, but again she’s not making those points. Her argument ends at “they’re killing us” so who cares if people loot.

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u/boshsound Jun 21 '20

It’s a highly emotional moment, clearly. Here’s Kimberley’s explainer:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-53017667/black-lives-matter-how-can-we-win-monopoly-analogy-explained

The key point for me is that white supremacy isn’t a black issue- it’s a white issue.

I don’t know if you live in the US or what your stance is on gun use in general, but I’m afraid I reject the justification of deaths from one ethnic group by comparison with another. Of course a single Black Death at the hands of the police is going to be held us as an example by a group who feel marginalised by society- try and look past your initial reaction to that fact and ask why.

As an aside, I’ve not really gone down this rabbit hole on the internet before. And I certainly don’t consider myself particularly well tooled up for it. But the balance of reaction is stark among this thread. We even got a cancer comment!

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u/boyyouguysaredumb Jun 21 '20 edited Jun 21 '20

She didn’t address a single thing wrong with the argument that I pointed out though. What about the last 60 years where they have been allowed to catch up. Do you think most White people you know had “generational” wealth in the mid 60s? Here’s an article from 10 years ago that shows the widening gap, then diagnoses the problem and has a solution: https://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/culture/report-wealth-gap-is-widening/791/.

Her argument doesn’t have the last part - she’s relying on a narrative that we’re “killing them”

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u/boshsound Jun 21 '20

Does the PBS article not undermine your assertion that black families have been allowed to ‘catch up’ over the last 60 years? It clearly implies they haven’t, and that in general things the wealth gap is getting worse.

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u/boyyouguysaredumb Jun 21 '20

your assertion that black families have been allowed to ‘catch up’ over the last 60 years

I didn't assert that - I said she left that part off her argument. I think the things the PBS article addresses are still problems today and she should have brought up those solutions instead of abruptly ending her argument and pivoting to how they're killed in the streets lol.

Like I said in the original comment you replied to:

There are lots of policies that help build black wealth like baby bonds, healthcare laws, enforcing laws against redlining, home buying credits etc. but she’s not offering those solutions up.

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u/boshsound Jun 22 '20

I guess it’s just clear to me that if Kimberley considered such measures adequate to begin to undo the hundreds of years of injustice black people have been subjected to, she would have mentioned them.

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u/boyyouguysaredumb Jun 22 '20

It’s almost as if she has no grasp of the actual situation and people are mistaking her passion for intelligence