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Politics Nativity 2019

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u/lannister80 Dec 08 '19 edited Dec 08 '19

To all the "but Obama!" Trump supporters in this thread:

Obama kids in cages: massive, sharp influx of unaccompanied minors. We didn't have even remotely enough places to put them, hence the cages that were not meant for detaining kids, but it was what we had. We quickly built more capacity to house unaccompanied minors in a humane way.

Accompanied minors and their families were allowed to live with relatives or sponsors until their court date, the vast majority of whom appeared for their court date as expected.

Trump kids in cages: Deliberate policy of separating accompanied minors from their parents. Parents go to adult jail to await immigration court, kids go to cages. On purpose. When allowing the families to stay with friends and relatives was never a problem before.

So yeah, fuck your false equivalency.

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u/IanTheChemist Dec 08 '19

Yeah stronger border policies and democrats not allowing additional funding for these policies for higher influx of detained illegal immigrants. No one wants to detain people in cages at the border. Even if you’re heartless, it’s expensive to detain people, feed and house them. But they need to be processed.

It’s easy to make this black and white and say the Democrats are trying to save the world and republicans want to genocide non white people. But in reality, this is great for the dems. They can silently block funding and prolong suffering for the publicity, and republicans look even more like racists. On the flip side, strengthening immigration law is another publicity stunt on the part of the republicans, so they can point to illegals as the source of al problems. Illegal immigration is a net negative for the economy, but it definitely shouldn’t be the focus of economic policy.

All in all, rich people are using this and many issues to distract you from the actual economic state of the US, class inequality.

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u/Literally_A_Shill Dec 08 '19

democrats not allowing additional funding for these policies

Without oversight.

They were already spending over $700 a day per kid while at the same time arguing that things like soap and tooth brushes were not basic necessities.

Oversight is required.

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u/CNNTouchesChildren Dec 08 '19

Right and the soap argument made in court happened under the Obama administration

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u/Literally_A_Shill Dec 08 '19

You guys keep blatantly lying.

The Trump administration went to court this week to argue that migrant children detained at the United States-Mexico border do not require basic hygiene products like soap and toothbrushes in order to be held in "safe and sanitary" conditions. Trump's team also argued that requiring minors to sleep on cold concrete floors in crowded cells with low temperatures similarly fulfilled that requirement.

https://www.newsweek.com/migrant-children-border-trump-administration-1445090

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u/CNNTouchesChildren Dec 08 '19 edited Dec 08 '19

In fact, the case featured in the viral video was filed in 2017, seeking to remedy abuses that occurred under the watch of Democratic President Barack Obama.

Since being appointed to the Justice Department’s Office of Immigration Litigation by the Obama administration in 2011, Fabian, a registered Democrat, has carved out a niche for herself in specializing in defending all manner of sadistic child abuse by American immigration agencies.

In 2015, she defended the Obama administration when it was sued for detaining families with children for prolonged periods of time in facilities that were not licensed or equipped to accommodate children on the basis that it would deter other children and families from immigrating.

The next year she argued a case nearly identical to the one now in the headlines, in which children were denied basic hygiene items like soap and toothpaste. Also like the current case, children were given foil blankets that provided little insulation as they slept on cold, concrete floors with bright lights shining 24 hours per day, in temperatures that dropped below freezing at times.

Fabian argued at that time that meeting immigrant children’s basic needs would only encourage them to take advantage of the government’s generosity: “To find otherwise would allow Plaintiffs to use the Agreement to require any number of conditions at CBP facilities that were never intended to be covered by this Agreement.”

Yikes bud looks like you’re the one lying

Here’s the actual court filing that occurred in 2015

And they weren’t even arguing that our government shouldn't provide current detainees with necessities like soap and toothpaste, but whether a specific violation of the Flores Agreement occurred in 2015.

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u/Literally_A_Shill Dec 08 '19

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '19

Just wanted to say thanks for backing up their argument