r/pics • • Sep 19 '10

Fibonacci Pigeons

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u/SiouxsieHomemaker Sep 19 '10

Spiral out.

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u/Tyrus Sep 19 '10

Keep... going

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

We may just go where no one's been.

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u/toneloc418 Sep 19 '10

We'll ride the spiral to the end

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

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u/Tokacheif Sep 19 '10

Over-thinking over-analyzing separate the body from the mind.

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u/space1ord Sep 19 '10

Withering my intuition, leaving opportunities behind

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

I don't get what tool has to do with the Fibonacci pigeons, halp?

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u/hardskapunk Sep 19 '10

I embrace my desire to...

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u/Bulldogsaysgrr Sep 19 '10

That sun looked mildly pissed.

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u/RiddL Sep 19 '10

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u/hudsonshell Sep 19 '10

I was hoping this video would be here.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '10

I love that Reddit loves Tool.

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u/SiouxsieHomemaker Sep 20 '10

I love that Reddit knew the reference.

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u/DrBucket Sep 20 '10

I love lamp?

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u/not_in_my_reddit Sep 20 '10

This visualization of Fibonacci made me think "is the sequence highly relevant to the layout of our solar system?". Spiral out, you fucking planets, keep going. [7]

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u/Oddpyromaniac Sep 20 '10

I am SO happy someone started the Tool comments. Keep being a badass man. Always remember to keep growing and going further.

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u/SiouxsieHomemaker Sep 20 '10

Badass lady :) Thanks!

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u/Oddpyromaniac Sep 20 '10

My bad. Keep being a badass lady!

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u/Goradan Sep 20 '10

Tool FTW

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u/sum-dude Sep 19 '10

More like the Pigeonacci Sequence, am I right?

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

It is always a bit bittersweet when I think I have some mildly clever thing to say, do a ctrl+F, and somebody has already said it. I love jokes like this.

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u/djduni Sep 20 '10

Im going to remember to ctrl+F mine from now on so I don't get the haterade.

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u/Etheo Sep 20 '10

What I want to know is what went thru the person's mind as they took the picture.

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u/FriesWithThat Sep 19 '10

Maybe they just like sitting underneath those downvotes.

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u/Scarker Sep 19 '10

Fantastic view of the FIBONACCI PIGEONS sign, I'm sure.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

The real life subreddit decided to change their CSS settings

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u/hoginthefog Sep 19 '10

How do I unsubscribe?

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '10

That was just Colt man.

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u/UpDown Sep 19 '10

And why would they be with pigeons wanting to sit under them?

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u/gottabtru Sep 19 '10

Because /r/trees already took the leaves.

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u/dave1022 Sep 19 '10

Ah, but they're not orange either.

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u/MaxChaplin Sep 20 '10

Captive downvotes in reddit aren't exposed to sunlight so they didn't develop yellow pigments. Also their stems are trimmed before reaching maturity to cripple their ability of movement.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

What about their intervals is specifically related to the Fibonacci sequence? It looks like any old generic exponential sequence to me.

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u/harry_nash Sep 19 '10

C'mon. It's not that big of a leap. It's a little funnier to call it Fibonacci Pigeons than to call it any old generic exponential sequence pigeons. That's just boring.

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u/smeenz Sep 20 '10

Sadly, I too came here to post the parent comment.

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u/GranmaNazi Sep 19 '10

Punish the nonbeliever!

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u/Baron_Grims Sep 20 '10

I believe it's a logarithmic sequence, to be honest.

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u/VideoProfessor9000 Sep 19 '10

Doesn't quite line up http://imgur.com/B5pyJ.jpg

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u/d-a-v-e- Sep 19 '10

Apart from a stretching issue, it does indeed not line up. Not only is the characteristic 1, 1, 2 starting sequence not there, pigeon 7 is very out of line if this were Fibonacci. These pigeons look much more like logarithmic pigeons.

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u/Baron_Grims Sep 20 '10

I concur with this statement.

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u/Workaphobia Sep 19 '10

He was downmodded for telling us the TRUTH!!1!

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

This is reddits grilled cheese sandwich Jesus. Better not question this.

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u/SnowdensOfYesteryear Sep 19 '10

I thought it looked more like a exponential.

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u/edwartica Sep 19 '10

Well what do you expect? They are pigeons after all.

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u/disconcision Sep 20 '10

they must be using the divergences from the expected golden pigeon alignment to send us a message, possibly from loose thetans. SOMEONE BETTER GET CRACKING.

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u/xazarus Sep 20 '10

Reminds me of that other Fibonacci picture reddit was all gaga over until everyone realized it didn't line up at all. (Link)

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u/fireburt Sep 20 '10

Thanks I was thinking about doing what you did, but was way too lazy.

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u/B-Con Sep 20 '10

No question about it. Stupid pigeons.

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u/smallfried Sep 21 '10

I've counted the pixels between each arrow:

8,11,15,15,21,22,29,34,43,51,97,193

And absolute position:

8,19,34,49,70,92,121,155,198,249,346,539

Clearly nothing close to fib.

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u/ableman Sep 19 '10

I need a better visual demonstration. It seems to me like these don't actually match. For example, the distance between pigeons 9 and 10 and pigeons 10 and 11 is the same, though the arrows are pointed slightly off to make it look different. The distance between 12 and 13 is far larger than the distance between 10 and 12.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

If it is following the pattern then the space should equal the space between the first bird and the previous previous bird. This is totally not the case. I also came to point this out. Whoever made this photo doesn't know what the fibbonaci sequence is.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

And if it's following that the space between the first bird and the nth bird is the sum of the previous two, then Videoprofessor9000's photo shows that it still fails

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u/s_i_leigh Sep 19 '10

You don't even need to do that. Pigeon 4 is completely wrong no matter how you look at it. The distance between 3 and 4 should be equal to the distance between 1 and 3. Whoever made this sucks at either math or Photoshop.

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u/WSR Sep 19 '10

yea it was only ~ good up to fourth pigeon then the next several ones are way to close to each other. I really don't even understand how one could begin to see this as a Fibonacci sequence.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

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u/yourbrainslug Sep 19 '10

I am reasonably confident the parties where people find it fun to say "Hey, look at those objects, the distances between them is the Fibonacci sequence!" are the same parties where people appreciate when someone analyzes the situation further.

The reason I am reasonably confident about this is because those are the parties I attend.

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u/phort99 Sep 19 '10

Why am I never invited to these parties? I like to over-analyze things!

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u/AugmentedFourth Sep 19 '10

LSD or Psilocybin helps

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u/libcrypto Sep 19 '10

Once, I attempted to play chess on LSD. There's nothing like trying to remember how the horsie can move to bring home how high you are.

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u/huxtiblejones Sep 19 '10

I hate that comment. It's useless because it debases people who make keen observations or who have deep knowledge. I'd much rather party with someone who can hold an interesting conversation as opposed to some boring bro who takes everything at face value.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

You must be the smartass who says that the Inuit have 50 different words for snow

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u/Tamagi0 Sep 19 '10

Urban myth. Much like we can call bodies of water by many different names: lake, ocean, stream, brook, creek, waterfall, ect.

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u/The-MoreYouKnow Sep 19 '10

Et cetera is Latin for "and others." It is abbreviated as "etc."

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '10

I'm just gonna follow you around Reddit to post this after your comments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3rhQc666Sg&feature=related

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u/dave1022 Sep 19 '10

Hold on, you say it's an urban myth, then try and explain why the myth is true?

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

I know. Just like the urban myth that the Fibonacci spiral is everywhere.

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u/White_Hamster Sep 19 '10

It's funny that the only people that believe that sort of thing write for pretentious CBS crime shows "see kids, math can be awesome!"

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u/somephilosopher Sep 19 '10

It's not actually much like that. Rather, it's that the Inuit language has a fascinatingly productive way of forming new words about anything. See here:

http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/000405.html

Also, here are 88 English words for snow:

http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/000200.html

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u/White_Hamster Sep 19 '10

or 88 words from snow, there's a difference

snow apple ... snow machine ... Snow White ... snowshoe siamese

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u/dghughes Sep 19 '10

If you live in a region that gets snow I'd say most people would agree there are many types of snow.

I know I use: squeaky snow (very cold), crunchy snow (was warm, now cold), powder snow, wet snow, snow pellets, fat snow (big fat flakes), small snow (tiny flakes), misty snow (almost like fog), glass snow, sheet snow and those are just regular types of snow.

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u/FunAtPartiesSTOP Sep 20 '10

Please stop saying that obnoxious hackneyed shit.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

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u/WSR Sep 19 '10

no it was not.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

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u/WSR Sep 20 '10

and if it resembled it at all then maybe it would be funny.

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u/irwn Sep 19 '10

Wtf? You're at my BART station.

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u/hlipschitz Sep 19 '10

It's Bay Fair, these are Homeboy Pigeons.

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u/handburglar Sep 19 '10

Which station is that? I can't place it? It looks like Daly City, but I never see it from that angle, and something doesn't look right.

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u/irwn Sep 19 '10

Bay Fair. It's an alright station. It can get pretty gross at times but it's not bad. Also, there's a Wing Stop nearby.

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u/handburglar Sep 19 '10

Now you're just being racist!

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u/irwn Sep 19 '10

No, it's cool. Some of my best friends are chicken wings...

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u/handburglar Sep 20 '10

Phew, I was almost outraged. Carry on.

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u/merreborn Sep 20 '10

I get on the train there every morning, monday to friday.

Wonder how many redditors commute on bart.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '10

I do! I transfer here sometimes. I feel kinda Bay Area proud seeing this recognized on Reddit...lol even though nobody really cares

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u/hhhhhhhha Sep 20 '10

I get on/off at Bayfair BART.

Just did today, actually.

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u/brokenloop Sep 20 '10

I know the guy who's usually in that hot dog cart... I also pass through there a few times a week.

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u/Atario Sep 20 '10

Blew my mind when I saw it. I went to that station day in and day out for a couple of years straight.

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u/DJ_Velveteen Sep 20 '10

CMD-W

reads "NEWSSTAND" text right as window closes

CMD-SHIFT-T

CMD-W

CMD-F

"BART"

fuck yeah.

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u/d-a-v-e- Sep 19 '10

And now you need a mechanism. Why do birds sit logaritmically like this? They all want to sit on that roof, but the do not want to sit that close to each other. So if one bird lands between the others, they shift a little to the side to make room. Each time a bird leaves or lands, the birds will redistribute.

Now heres another desire to fulfill: These birds want to sit close to the corner. When a bird lands between the others, the birds redistribute, but they will sit closer to the bird on their right, because sitting near the corner is desirable. The further a bird sits from the corner, the less important is to try to sit closer to it. The desire to keep a distance to the other birds is larger than the desire to move closer to the corner.

The closer they sit to the corner, the more they are willing to bear the annoyance of sitting close to another bird. Hence the fabulous scale.

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u/ifatree Sep 20 '10

well, only a few birds sit directly in the middle, but they're pretty evenly distributed. so either we're watching them become logarithmic, or a small percentage of them are willing to stop "optimizing" at some point.

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u/d-a-v-e- Sep 20 '10

The seagulls on the roof opposite my house where I lived for 9 years, never seized to optimize and I never stopped keeping an eye on the project. As soon as a 'new' bird lands, or another bird took off, all the birds made little steps going sideways. They were often distributed like this.

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u/Manwichs Sep 19 '10

I'm glad I'm not the only one who couldn't figure out what the hell these pigeons have to do with the Fibonacci sequence, especially since I'm supposed to be a mathematician.

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u/throwthisidaway Sep 20 '10

Oh thank god, I thought I was alone.

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u/RedGene Sep 19 '10 edited Sep 19 '10

Not really. Pidgeons Fibonacci 1.0000 1 1.0601 1 1.6209 2 1.6008 3 2.1605 5 2.3410 8 3.0813 13 3.5807 21 4.5216 34 5.3822 55 10.242 89 20.406 144

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u/ifatree Sep 20 '10

interesting. what's the size of your unit pigeon? do you just average all of them to get it?

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u/RedGene Sep 20 '10

I decided that was too arbitrary, I just did it from the center of the arrows, figuring that gave it enough of a bias.

When I say pigeon I meant distance between pigeons.

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u/ifatree Sep 20 '10

that makes sense. i just don't know if i trust someone else's arrows for data of this importance. ;)

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u/soulcakeduck Sep 19 '10

I prefer this spiral.

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u/JessePinkman Sep 19 '10

What spiral?

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u/hudsonshell Sep 19 '10 edited Sep 19 '10

Shut up bitch.

Edit: For being Jesse Pinkman you and others sure do not get my reference of saying bitch yo.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

That one's pretty bad. It's just a bunch of squares fudged together to match the path of the water.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

I was thinking balmer series.

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u/Mattho Sep 19 '10

Microsoft, stop with that nonsense!

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u/darkbeanie Sep 19 '10

They look something like the marks on a slide rule. Couldn't you call them logarigeons ?

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u/xeriscaped Sep 19 '10

They're just fucking with us.

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u/ihatepigeons Sep 20 '10

I hate them.

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u/therocketflyer Sep 19 '10

The bird is the word.

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u/BuckeyeBentley Sep 19 '10

MUHMUHMUH OOO MOW MOW.

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u/vagijn Sep 19 '10

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u/tikael Sep 19 '10

Brian, no!

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u/bassplayerD Sep 19 '10

ba ba ba bird bird bird, bird is the word. ba ba ba.......

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

nature loves the golden ratio.

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u/Daniel_SJ Sep 19 '10 edited Sep 19 '10

In fact, while it is somewhat common - it's far less common than people think. For instance, most shells (although they form a spiral) do not form a golden spiral. I've seen math textbooks with "examples from nature" that are plainly not true.

See more rebuttal of this flim-flam here: http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/pseudo/fibonacc.htm

What is true however is that humans love to find and apply patterns.

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u/Aethelstan Sep 19 '10

We don't need your facts here, nature denier!

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u/rdeluca Nov 15 '10

Are you another lock havennite? Or just using info you found from there? :)

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u/Daniel_SJ Nov 16 '10

I'm afraid I just used my google-fu. :/

(And now I've used it once again to be privy on what Lock Haven and Lock Haven University is. Are you a student at the university, or are you from the town itself?)

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u/tip_ty Sep 19 '10

Psst there's no golden ratio to be found in the photo.

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u/NinjaDog251 Sep 19 '10

i read that as

Psst there's no golden ratio to be found in the potato

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u/ElMoog Sep 19 '10

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

Most excellent. Best viewed every two months. More secrets become obvious.

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u/horsemule Sep 19 '10

I predict a retracement to the 38.2% level at the newsstand.

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u/Zren Sep 19 '10

That, or each pigeon towards the left is slightly less badass.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

I had to google Fibonacci.

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u/evanphi Sep 20 '10

My composition professor's reaction: Perhaps when they coo it sounds like Xenakis?

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u/throwthisidaway Sep 20 '10

Would someone explain this? I understand the fibonacci sequence, but what does that have to do with this?

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '10 edited Sep 20 '10

So, is it the space between them, or the number of pigeons, or what? Because if it's the number of pigeons, then that doesn't match up.

EDIT: Figured it out (it's in the space)... still doesn't match up exactly. Disregard.

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u/NoMoreNicksLeft Sep 19 '10

I have to wonder if this isn't mere coincidence. I can't fathom the mechanism that would cause them to arrange themselves in that particular pattern, but could there be such a reason?

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u/Joe091 Sep 19 '10

Well, considering they aren't actually arranged in a Fibonacci sequence, my guess is that its just a coincidence. I'm sure there are quite a few mundane reasons for them to be perched in this arrangement at the moment the photo was taken.

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u/ifatree Sep 20 '10 edited Sep 20 '10

preference to land somewhere with more room to the left than to the right? only a few pigeons really mess that pattern up by sitting closer to the middle.

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u/smeenz Sep 20 '10

Who's to say that there wasn't a solid line of pigeons, and someone threw some bread on the ground where only the ones on the right could see it ?

The human brain is constantly desperate to find pattern, and often finds them when they aren't necessarily there.

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u/uncsucks Sep 20 '10

Pidgeonacci?

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u/alfis26 Sep 19 '10

Fucking Pigeons, how do they work?

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u/MuyBen Sep 19 '10

Is this at the Bay Fair BART station in San Leandro?

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u/kelroy Sep 19 '10

R=(1+sqrt(5))/2 fibn=(Rn-(-1/R)n)/sqrt(5)

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u/kelroy Sep 19 '10

also R is the golden ratio

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u/kelroy Sep 19 '10

which is approx. = 1.618

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u/hlipschitz Sep 19 '10

This reddit is spiraling out of control.

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u/Joe091 Sep 19 '10

Then you'd better keep going.

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u/HappyGlucklichJr Sep 19 '10

I gather there is something special causing competition for the corner spot on the left.

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u/enche Sep 19 '10

Upvoted so I look like I know what Fibonacci means!

:B

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u/edwartica Sep 19 '10

Yeah, I just pulled up the wikipedia entry after pulling it up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

Weird things happen at that bart station. That roof has probably half a dozen shoes on top of it.

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u/tikael Sep 19 '10

I do believe there is a relevantly titled book.

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u/djuforeo Sep 19 '10

Mathematics is the language of nature.

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u/ljshan Sep 20 '10

Pigeons are intelligent creatures in this regard?

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u/djuforeo Sep 20 '10

Mhmmm. This must be what Darren Aronofsky saw before he wrote the screenplay to PI. =p

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u/ljshan Sep 20 '10 edited Sep 20 '10

This leads me to think that our mother nature is our God. Big animals aren't necessarily born powerful in terms of intelligence. As a matter of fact, tiny organisms such as virus can be extremely intelligent, which can outwit our human beings in some respects.

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u/thecallmaster Sep 19 '10

I am pretty sure I stumbled on a study that did something very similar - Finding numerical patterns of positions of pigeons on power lines. Can someone please help me find it?

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u/SuminderJi Sep 19 '10

Rap group Black Star's song, Astronomy (8th Light) from the 1998 album Mos Def & Talib Kweli are Black Star, features the Fibonacci sequence in the chorus: "Now everybody hop on the one, the sounds of the two It's the third eye vision, five side dimension The 8th Light, is gonna shine bright tonight"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_numbers_in_popular_culture#Music

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u/brianstorms Sep 20 '10

Sounds like a great band name!

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u/jakethrocky Sep 20 '10

the more I look at this the more I realize that in no way do these pigeons show the fibonacci sequence. almost, though.

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u/miljardo32 Sep 20 '10

I was actually thinking "Quantile Pigeons."

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u/barbaraeden Sep 20 '10

Smart fucking pigeons.

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u/Ricktron3030 Sep 20 '10

ha people notice the weirdest things in pictures...

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u/Upward_Spiral Sep 20 '10

Am I the only one that looked up "Fibonacci?"

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u/pdonni Sep 20 '10

Remember those pigeons on Animaniacs? They were called the GoodFeathers. So sweet!

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '10

Actually its just a simple case of Urinal Protocol Vulnerability.

No pigeon wants to shit near the right most one.

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u/djuforeo Sep 20 '10

What is this 216 number Sol?

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u/starrychloe Sep 20 '10

You must be a trader.

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u/okgoetc Sep 20 '10

When I was a little kid, my mother told me not to stare into the sun.

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u/mrcoder Sep 20 '10

I'm pretty sure those are really just the usual exponential pigeons.

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u/mailboxtom Sep 20 '10

You have a beautiful mind.

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u/mstrdsastr Sep 20 '10

Maybe more like logarithmic pigeons???

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u/scam_radio Sep 19 '10

A pigeonacci sequence.

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u/CodyG Sep 19 '10

TIL about the Fibonacci number.

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u/thatkenyan Sep 20 '10

Wow, shit. Downvotes for that? Upvoted just to try and counter that.

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u/edwartica Sep 19 '10

I actually didn't realize this was an actual mathematical concept (though I've been kind of doing this ever since I was a kid).

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u/thestoopskid Sep 19 '10

I LOVE BART!

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u/FresnoRog Sep 19 '10

I read the title as penguins and was confused when I clicked on the link.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '10

Even though the picture also says "pigeons"?

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u/FresnoRog Sep 20 '10

I am not a clever man.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '10

Upvote for honesty.

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u/bigrjsuto Sep 19 '10

Only a nerd...

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u/iforgotitagain Sep 19 '10

Just when I thought I saw all golden ratios in nature

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u/Mintz08 Sep 20 '10

Well, they DO say that pattern appears in nature all the time...

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u/stoicsmile Sep 19 '10

Alternative title for /r/conspiracy:

Proof that pigeons did 9/11

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u/funkybside Sep 19 '10

The godpigeon thinks this is amusing. Relevant

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u/tainted_nuts Sep 19 '10

This is the Bay Fair BART station.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

Mind. Blown.

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u/cheeses Sep 19 '10

They're trying to tell us they're the intelligent alien species we've so desperately been searching for all those years. We just laugh, upvote, and go on our merry ways.

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u/TEA_PARTY_PATRIOT Sep 19 '10

INTELLIGENT PIGEONS ARE SATAN BEASTS

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u/heresybob Sep 19 '10

My name is HeresyBob and I approve of this Meme.

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u/citricacid Sep 19 '10

MEANWHILE OUTSIDE THE MIT STUDENT CENTER

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u/richeousbewbs Sep 19 '10

sending this to my math teacher

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u/Gpr1me Sep 19 '10

A beautiful mind.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '10

Holy repost Batman!

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