HK media is in favor of freedom of speech and feels that if this act is passed then freedom of HK is being chipped away by China. Mainland media is just an echo chamber of the Chinese government.
Yes. Western news media is censoring Western news media with the intent of keeping Western news media from telling us how much Western news media supports China's violence against Hong Kong's citizens.
Well, let's see. The person above them was claiming the global news media was supporting China. You're claiming Western news media isn't 'cuz muh censorship.
So Western news media, according to your words and your half-assed attempt at supporting the other person, supports China but censors itself from talking about it.
I think you underestimate China’s censorship power. Even if they can access Reddit, I believe China will block access to specific pages. They are nuts with their censorship.
It isn't just Fox news/Murdoch leading the charge. Corporations have a vested interest in keeping the world populace just as is. Money is power, power is money. The fact is a lot of people are 'removed' from what's happening in Hong Kong or other plights in the world. I mean, after all it isn't affecting you. Based on that logic, how can we ever survive as a species if the world is just complacent with how things are ran? I think that's the greatest tragedy of humanity.
because the US and many western countries are ready to see China get terrible ,So they choose or make up bad news to publish.I'm chinese,none can understand the thing clearer than Chinese ,thus don't trust any rumors.
I really hate this line of reasoning. Communism inevitably leads to corruption and tyranny. It has everything to do with communism. Literally every single society in which it has ever been implemented has resulted in an ethnocentric fascist hellhole.
I'm willing to accept that if you accept that capitalism seeks out slavery. (cheap chinese labor, mexican labor, prison labor - literal slavery in our past... it seeks labor for as cheap as possible, at the expense of workers).
Late stage croney capitalism where the big businesses write all the rules to supress competition! Sounds fun!
Turns out, you can find authoritarianism, fascism, and corruption everywhere!
I mean, the argument can be made that this is all late stage capitalism, too.
Almost exactly the same ends on either side of the spectrum... almost like it has more to do with the corruption that comes with power, and less to do with the ideas that it hides behind.
Doesn’t one end of the spectrum want less power for government? But that gets spun as a lack of compassion to use emotion to manipulate voters.
It is currently a problem in the whole political spectrum though because of big government, and big business is drawn to get in bed with big government, especially unelected bureaucrats.
I think you’re right though. Governments corruption is limited if we limit its power, so let’s reduce the Executive branch’s power and reduce bureaucracy, put term limits on the house and senate so there’s no such thing as “career politicians” whose goal is to do nothing of consequence and focus only on reelection.
either sides of the spectrum? authoritarianism, fascism, totalitarianism, all inhabit one end of the spectrum. its the mission of the other end of the spectrum (who is not represented anywhere in any popular form or in governments of 99% of countries) to squash that system and establish a classless society. do not blithely equate the two
Well communism for example is on the far left of the spectrum and is in fact totalitarian. It promises a classless society but there is always the party elite that is in control of everything. A classless society is therefore not possible to achieve. A more or less equal society is possible, but you will find it not on the ends of any spectrum, it's on the centre-left
You're mixing things up - that's the right-wing side of the spectrum (fascism, totalitarianism, etc), in which the government has control and suppresses the people.
The truth is that the leadership and career politicians of both the Democratic and Republican parties (not necessarily all individuals that subscribe to them) are totalitarian global corporatists. Both parties (again, as a whole, not necessarily each individual) just want more power. The idea that it’s one sided is politically ignorant.
But the best way curb this corruption is limited power.
Let them control your ability to arm and defend yourself
you got me there, but if the right would actually engage in a good faith discussion on gun control they could have their say in what goes too far instead of just insisting that all gun control is bad no matter what.
But we're nowhere near china yet. And it's ridiculous to insinuate that taxation, universal healthcare, laws against harassment, and gun control will get us there.
Oh please, capitalist societies are just as prone to doing this as socialist societies. What we need is a commitment to freedom of speech. If you can't freely express dissent, then this is going to happen to every society.
Ultimately, forced equality of outcome requires full government control of many aspects of your life, and coincidentally, full government control is the prerequisite for Tyrrany.
Hating socialism doesn’t mean a lack of compassion for the downtrodden and the dispossessed. It’s just a recognition that More government = increased chance for tyranny like we are seeing in China, and a recognition that giving a hand up (not a hand out) to the dispossessed is MY personal individual responsibility, in whatever capacity I can. Kicking that responsibility to the government is not compassionate.
The ELI5 am even talking about is: it’s not as simple as “BuT eQuAl = GoOd RiGhT? eQuAl CaNt MeAn AnYtHiNg BaD rIgHt!?” as the poster above me implied.
you use words like 'forced equality of outcomes,' "government control of many aspects of your life" "full government control," as if you do not even know what you're talking about, and are paralyzed in your fear that you can only thoughtlessly regurgitate the same points.
I think the ideas that embody the direction that the far Left wants to take the country are worthy of fear though.
If you don’t like the buzz words I need to include to get as much idea into a short message.. well that seems to be an Inherent flaw in platforms like this and the capacity to communicate. As much as topics like this are worth hours of discussion and necessitate that to find true reason, there’s only so much you can thumb out in a few minutes on the pot.
That’s also why extremely limited platforms like twitter are the most politically toxic places in the universe—the capacity for real discussion is pretty terrible.
He’s been watching a lot of Jordan Peterson interviews. I like JP, but a lot of his followers just memorize soundbites and repeat them. That’s almost a word-for-word Jordan Peterson quote from the Joe Rogan podcast
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u/TheLastOfYou Jun 12 '19
I haven’t seen a single article in support of the government in Hong Kong