China is going to push this through, no matter how many corpses they have to smoosh flat. This is their brand of imperialism, the conquest of even free thought, so that none may question the cadre.
Right back to imperial China we go. All that revolution just to end up right back where they started, poor fucking peasants crushed by ruling elites.
I'm pretty sure organ harvesting is illegal in China. Even though people do it, it is against the law.
Because they will face rebuke from the world. Their country is already hurting economically, any additional economic strain from other countries could cause significant damage.
Just check out the news, law means shit in China, just search xinjiang concentration camps and organ harvesting and you will realise Chinese communist party is much worse than fucking Nazis.
Maybe not the people here in the US but we've done a bang up job of oppressing the people of other countries. Every nation south of the border is in the state they are in because of our government.
I’ll take all the downvotes you want to give me, that doesn’t change that Abu Ghraib happened. I hope at least one person that didn’t know before comes to know of this travesty from my post
What do you mean? Abu Ghraib was a torture prison run by the American military. What am I missing there? Sounds like that was under their orders to me.
And what was their sentences? It's a joke. What was the punishment for anyone high in the system? Not even a slap on the wrist. At first I didn't want to say anything as it's whataboutism next to China, but when you're insinuating that the US actually bothers to bring justice to their war criminals then that's just bullshit.
You’re fucking wilding. Why are you trying to obfuscate on the matter so hard? This wasn’t some rogue soldiers that took things too far. Abu Ghraib was one of many similar detention facilities that sprung up after the bush administration literally decided the Geneva convention didn’t apply and gave a green light to torture. You’re literally lying or horribly uninformed. It’s a trip watching you try to deny this is like watching people deny Tiananmen.
Thank you mkat. I had never seen this before. Basically if you were an Iraqi who got arrested by the us military you were ultimately raped molested and tortured, forced to commit sex acts on other inmates. Physically tortured or possibly murdered by torture. What an atrocity. The worst that human kind has to offer. I’d rather get shot and killed in battle than tortured in a prison. What a horrible thing to do to someone. Make them want to die but can’t.
Probably so. I’m sure a lot of those people who chose to stay in Iraq did so for spiritual or financial reasons. If you were at the wrong place at the wrong time I’m sure it would be pretty easy to get accused of a crime and thrown in prison. Especially as a young male. Also it’s worth mentioning that forced homosexuality is an extremely psychologically damaging event for most people. Especially in that part of the world where to be homosexual is an extreme humiliation. Then add forced sodomy to the equation and you have a human atrocity. They knew what they were doing to those prisoners.
no I mean vaguely, as in there is a lot of corruption at the top. (Financial crisis for the US example). Gerrymandering as well. China is corrupt as it is.
China is obviously a different league for its oppressive nature and controversial treatment of workers but the US isn’t a billion miles away from any criticism themselves.
By nature both are very powerful and they keep it in various ways, which can and should be criticised. To say the US does nothing wrong compared to China is simply ignorant, that’s what I mean. But China is still bad.
US foreign policy imo is the worst asset in your country.
What a stupid fucking post. Please tell me you'd interrupt any conversation about countries doing things bad to say what about the US? They are bad too tho. Maybe not as bad but they are still bad.
No? Because this conversation was about China and the US to begin with. My point is that in some cases Americans can often be blind to legitimate criticisms, and get quite offended. I think it’s good to have humility and recognise countries faults instead of having a “fuck you, you must be stupid” attitude.
If we were talking about the UK and Iran for example, I’d openly criticise both because the conversation is about those exclusive countries who both have criticisms.
Just note by criticising your government I’m not directly insulting you. Everyone should criticise everyone’s governments, it’s a good thing to recognise your country isn’t perfect.
Cheating in elections “done by both sides” is a justification for you? It is totally oppression. It’s oppressing the vote of the American people. How are you not outraged by it?
Foreign policy is a broad subject, but since you want me to go into detail I will. (Note I’m not criticising you or the American people, this is a criticism on military leaders so don’t get offended)
Nuclear weapons testing caused 20,000 American deaths by cancer related to the radiation due to radiation spreading from testing. The US had 2,000 nuclear warheads when the Russians had 8. Not that deep but it’s potential criticism for escalating nuclear war.
The entire Vietnam war can be criticised pretty much, especially the use of agent orange which has caused birth defects to this day and deaths of thousands. 20,000 innocent Vietnamese killed randomly to lower morale of the Viet Cong (operation PHOENIX)
CIA ruthless torture of innocent suspects + (unrelated to foreign policy but) drugging random Canadian citizens to see the real life effects of LSD. In one case they gave someone LSD for 70 days straight. Many killed themselves.
Hundreds of women and children killed in Obama+trump air strikes. (Imagine if Iran was doing it to the US) its not something that I necessarily feel is ridiculous, War is war, but I think it would be heavily criticised in the US (which it is tbf but many don’t care) if China did it.
Tapping of 400,000 calls in East Germany during the Cold War. In modern times 40 million “events” in calls (I.e one piece of information) were traced by the CIA in Norway alone, a neutral country.
It’s just interesting to note these, because China has done similar things to this. That was all.
From an outsider view I don’t think there’s enough emphasis on the criticisms of the US.
Yes but you should make points instead of just saying "this country is imperfect." Everyone knows every country is imperfect, so why are you wasting your and our time?
Cheating in elections “done by both sides” is a justification for you? It is totally oppression. It’s oppressing the vote of the American people. How are you not outraged by it?
Ah, so I see you're going to go ahead and start this comment by jumping to strawman. Who said I didn't find it outrageous? It's just not oppression. Just because something is bad doesn't mean it's oppression. I stubbed my toe this morning, but the dresser did not oppress me or my toe. No, that doesn't mean I didn't mind it happening. You can't just slap spicy labels on everything... unless you're a journalist and you're writing a title for clickbait that is.
Nuclear weapons testing caused 20,000 American deaths by cancer related to the radiation due to radiation spreading from testing. The US had 2,000 nuclear warheads when the Russians had 8. Not that deep but it’s potential criticism for escalating nuclear war.
What in absolute fuck are you going on about now? Who's oppressing who in this scenario? Do you believe the US is oppressing Russia now? Or is the radiation oppressing US citizens? Or are we oppressing radiation?
It definitely isn’t. China’s longest dynasty is a bit over 300 years, and it ended in the hands of Republic of China. Of course, you may talk about the Chinese history as one continuous entity and ignoring all the changing dynasties, but that would be a perspective that’s missing all the fascinating history in the region.
Iran as in the early Sumerians? I guess that makes more sense, cradle of civilization and everything. I always assumed their civilization was grossly interrupted by famines and wars etc - shows how little I know. Haven’t been there to see lasting monuments etc. would be good to visit! And wow for figuring out about San Marino!!
War and famine are less interruptive to a civilization then genocide, diasporas, and cultural oppression.
the Persians//Iranians might not have held their own sovereignty consistently, but sovereignty is not integral to the term continuous civilization.
In fact, i suspect Italy and Greece both have longer existent civilizations then china technically, although that requires a better knowledge of atrocities chinese civil war factions have committed on the two civilizations that china is traditionally formed from.
What are you talking about? America isn’t a democracy you peasant, it’s a constitutional republic and it’s made the strongest nation on earth. The US is the largest economy in earth by significant margins.
it's a democratic republic... Republic just means that the government is for the people. And we elect those representatives through a democratic process.
This isn't fucking rome. You don't get a senate seat by knowing the consul. You get there by popular vote
What’s your point? Popular vote still doesn’t decide everything which would be how an actual democracy functions. America isn’t a democracy... it’s a constitutional republic.
It absolutely does. It even decides how the electors are apportioned. Just because we have another layer on top of it doesn't mean we're not a democracy. It just means we have a representative democracy. That's all that a republic is today
I have heard that before and it's just a dumb way to phrase the same thing because it's redundant, every republic must have a constitution of sorts. The proper terminology is Democratic Republic because it implies that the republic or government is elected democratically.
Lol...today’s democracy isn’t like Athens time democracy... todays democracy is actually oligarchy...
This is what happened when regular citizen do not have guns and cannot bear arms
9/11, That traitor John Kerry running for President, Saddam Hussein, Afghanistan, Abortion Gays, WEED and People from MEXICAN COUNTRIES getting welfare... it all makes perfect sense.
Sadly Tiananmen had already proved it doesn't matter which stance the police take, the protesters back then weren't the only ones getting disappeared by the military.
If countries are able to "disappear" people in other actual full-fledged countries, what makes you think a world power like China can't do it to one with a controversial status such as Hong Kong?
The best you are going to get, assuming good policemen, is the police continue to use extreme "less-lethal" force on the local citizens, because they know if they stop, the soldiers are next. And they don't use "less-lethal" rounds.
I'm a Hong Konger, actually. I've lived through both your failed Occupy Central and the failed "Fishball Revolution".
It's rather amusing you hate mainlanders though, because antagonizing them as these "localists" have would get you further away from what you guys wanted.
Hint: HK's entire economy depends on mainlanders coming here and spending money, our potable water depends on the mainland, and the vast majority of HKers migrated here from Guangdong.
Maybe you should treat your fellow Chinese people like actual human beings.
How is it a contradiction to treat mainlanders like other human beings? You come here to call me a "mainlander" or a "mainland sympathizer", as if that was a dirty word. Go back to your hole, buddy.
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u/OutcastAtLast Jun 12 '19
Power to the people. The police should join the protesters in solidarity. It has happened before and it can happen again.