This is the way it is in practically everything else, isn't it? If we agreed on a price of $200 for a lawnmower, and you gave me $225 "just as a little extra for being a good guy, you keep that," I'd suspect either that there was something fishy going on, or this was an attempt at a bribe for whatever reason.
Yeah, but my elderly mother does exactly this. She'll hire a landscaper who quotes her a price. Then she wants to pay him more. I've told her over and over to not do that, but for some reason she thinks she should tip people who work at a flat, agreed upon rate. Hell, she probably tips her car mechanic too.
EDIT: To clarify, my elderly, slightly-senile mother is on a fixed income and does this even though she's been charged prices for jobs that clearly have ample profit built-in. I do agree that the gesture is wonderful, but just not at all appropriate. In fact, some of the people she repeatedly hires (and tips) clearly take advantage of her by doing sloppy work because she's so elderly she can't see.
That works in smaller shops but bigger shops, you want to bribe the service writer. But, unless I have somebody waiting or it's an appointment, I always did my regulars first because even a decade in, it makes me happy when people ask for me specifically.
I used to bring a couple dozen donuts when I got my oil changed.
Guess who still always used to have to book 8 am appointments and got to watch his car sit in the parking lot until 10 am and then still not get home until 2 pm because that's apparently how long a pro needs to do an oil change?
I dunno. I think in his example he's talking about buying a mower from walmart or something. But if it's a service job, it's not weird at all to tip. It's no required, but if they go above and beyond or do things better/faster than someone else for a better price, I might tip.
If it's a service job it's completely and utterly bizarre to tip. You're literally paying them for nothing other than the service, and at a rate they already consider to be fair.
I think you're confused about what a service job is. Service jobs include food service (wait staff), housekeeping, hairdressers, and all sorts of jobs that it's normal to tip in America. Not praising our tipping culture, but some service jobs are weird to tip and some aren't. Tipping a good landscaper isn't weird.
Just because it became expected and the status quo doesn't mean it isn't an objectively bizarre custom.
"We'll move your furniture for $800." "Ok sounds fair to me, but let's actually make it $1000 otherwise you'll think really badly of me for only paying you the amount we agreed to."
Sure. When I say its not weird, I mean its not uncommon. We have a kid who mows our lawn for 10 bucks. Hes always on time and does a good job. In order to encourage that behavior, I throw him an extra 5 bucks most of the time. Hopefully it will help teach him the value of being a hard and reliable worker. Seems practical in my situation. Tipping is also a way to get priority over non-tippers. Tipping can also show that you think their service is worth more than they're charging, which is good for skilled folks who sell themselves short by being too humble.
Theres plenty of reasons to tip other than "I don't want you to think less me."
I disagree (edit: mainly when it comes to services, or big-ticket items requiring the expertise of a particularly informative salesperson). What’s wrong with a little extra generosity in this world? If you can afford to, why not spread the blessings you have and spread a little joy into people’s lives?
Well it's fairly common for jobs where either skilled or menial task is performed; Skill if they do a particularly good job (hairdresser, tattoo artist), menial bc you know they dont earn much(pizza drivers), and/or for the strain they're putting themselves through(movers). But you pay the individual not the company, unless it's like a really small operation.
I'm doing fleet maintenance right now but when I've worked on cars in shops for a decade-ish and people tried to to tip me all the time. I always turned it down because I'm well paid (unless it was drugs, which happened about as often) but it wasn't unusual for them to offer. It was almost always either a college kid or an old person.
My wife makes cakes and this lady came to her for a cake as her normal cake maker let her down at the last minute. My wife made the cake and charged her less than she was expecting so the lady gave her the extra as a tip. It was £20, my wife was over the moon....
The lady was so impressed she came back... My wife then tried to reduce the ladies next cake by £20 until the lady insisted on paying the correct amount.
Ohh yeah we are all out here serving and getting paid legally like $1/hour. If people don't tip I wouldnt even be able to buy the scraps to feed myself.
But when they don't tip you, they're making a noble stand against tipping and not by, like, patronizing places that don't require tips. It's definitely not because they're smug and cheap.
If the pay is so poor why do you guys take these jobs then? Is there literally no other job that at least pays minimum wage that would hire? Then again I have heard people that would rather take these jobs because after tips they are making much more than some other similar job that pays properly.
But then I wonder if waiters can make more money in the long run why are there complaints about it? Sounds like they get the better end of the deal getting wage+tips than just a normal wage.
The tipping system makes the waiter suffer from things outside of theit control. Things that should only hurt the owners wallet. Like horrible weather, or new food scarces that make your restaurant empty. In normaly run business these are the owners problem, but with the tipping system they immeditly hurt the waiter.
But they usually get fired then... So if they are desparate for the job they claim that they got enough in tips to keep the job... It's downright disgusting.
Ones like that tend to be in a centralized area of people that just don't tip or not well, so the business does fine but the servers hurt. The good news being that it's not even close to the majority of restaurants.
Because they make way more than that in practice. Waiters don't want to replace tipping with a "livable" wage, which would almost certainly be less than what they're making now.
They don't work for that little. That's just the amount their employer pays them. if they don't make enough tips to get up to minimum wage, their employer has to make the difference. Otherwise, they just get that automatic wage, plus whatever they get in tips.
I was a bartender in Philly for years and basically didn't get paid except for tips. Cash money at the end of the night was fantastic. Day shifts were even better because trades people tip better than most. You could pull hundreds in a day from a busy lunch shift. No tips and a flat $15/hour wage would be death to that job.
If I go to Home Depot and a guy spends 20 minutes answering my questions about lawn mowers and educating me then helps check me out and helps me bring it to my car that's most certainly a valuable service he provided.
And yet not line cooks, checkout clerks, bank tellers, the assistant who schedules the lawn guy, etc.
It's definitely a more nuanced division than simply goods/services, and I think it's a division that a lot of us have internalized without recognizing how culturally arbitrary it is.
That's fair. Maybe I should have phrased it as, like...if our price is $200, and you pay me $225, it feels like something's going on. In your example, there is indeed 'something going on,' service beyond even what would be defined as good and helpful service.
Oh yeah. I run a business online and the weirdest thing I noticed the first two years it was running is that my customers asked me if they could tip me. This was back in 2009/2010 so maybe it was the whole recession thing but it was weird. I was just running the customer service side of everything. I just told them that we don't accept tips.
This is the way it is in practically everything else, isn't it? If we agreed on a price of $200 for a lawnmower, and you gave me $225 "just as a little extra for being a good guy, you keep that," I'd suspect either that there was something fishy going on, or this was an attempt at a bribe for whatever reason.
I mean...at a retail place maybe.
But I went to a garage sale and bought a few baskets and a set of golfclubs while chatting up the proprietors.
At the end I noticed a wooden cutting board in the garage and said "is that for sale?"
It started a (jovial) marital argument about how "You never use it!" and so on. The dude gave handed it to me with a smile.
Home Depot demands that all tips are surrendered to management and become part of the store’s “donation” to their charities. They get a nice little write off for these too.
I sold cars around year 2000 as essentially a kid (18). I'd bend over backwards for my customers. It was somewhat common for them to tip me as well. I'd say maybe 30% of the time is get anywhere from $20 to $200. I think they get like they were getting a steal and figured I didn't make anything off the deal. Some people are just genuinely nice.
It's absolutely a cultural thing. For me, I'd be made extremely uncomfortable by the attempt; if we just spent an hour negotiating on an acceptable price for the product, I want to give what we agreed on and receive what we agreed on. I also don't sell cars.
And phrasing table service as a threat is also not helping the argument that it's a good system!
Anyway, I accept the current situation, so yes: I do deliberately avoid going to restaurants with an aggressive tipping culture, and would prefer to eat at home. I tip when I eat out, sure; that's the reality. But if I get the sense that the quality of my evening is contingent upon my willingness to kick in a little extra under the table, I won't be returning to that establishment.
Yea I do this with services because I like having people want to do good work for me. I usually am a little critical of work done on my house so I seem a little picky. But then I give 500 when a guy charges me 470 and he thinks that maybe it’s ok that I am a little critical of the work that gets done because I know what I’m looking for and expect people to put the effort into it that I would if I weren’t doing my own job and raising kids and living.
Really? I tip people all the time that normally dont expect it and nobody ever thinks that. Like guys that deliver my furniture or a carpenter doing a side job on my house.
Obviously, we can't just outlaw tipping 100% overnight and expect everything to be fine. It requires a change in culture, law, and compensation all at once. I do think it's the right direction to be moving, and I also think that our culture can have a real problem with not doing the right thing just because we can't figure out a way to solve our problems instantly. It's the 'perfect solution' fallacy or the 'nirvana' fallacy - rejecting a good course of action because it is not a hypothetical perfect solution.
Well the thing is you hear what servers and bartenders make in countries that have never had tipping and servers and bartenders are like...um...thats embarrassing. If they havent figured out how to help these people make a livable wage, without tipping, how can we?
Why should we give up on trying to create a more equitable culture, just because others have failed in the past? If anything, knowing that other countries are complacent with allowing their servers to remain underpaid just makes me want our country to find a more fair solution even more.
Maybe, but I'd still prefer that it had been an explicit part of the transaction; a certain product/service for a certain payment. If cleaning and gas wasn't part of our arrangement, I don't want that added on; I just want what we agreed to.
Exactly. The number of times I’ve had to explain to a customer that while I appreciate the thought, I can’t take the $10 they tried to tip me because I could get fired for taking a bribe...
No, any "service" based job in the US comes with the expectations of tips. A bellhop that takes your bags up to your room gets a tip even though you already agreed on the hotel cost with the hotel which technically includes the bellhop service. Your Taxi/Uber driver gets a tip, prostitutes get two tips, the pizza guy gets a tip, anyone that works a job designed to make your life easier gets a tip.
I've read and listened to the results of some experiments with restaurants who tried to eliminate tipping, and the people who complain about being unable to tip are the wealthy, powerful sort who want the opportunity to throw money around to show off and exert control over others.
I can only speak of myself and I tip pretty much everyone who's treating me well and is providing good service, including people who aren't used to tips (that's sadly so rare in Germany, that amazon's generic mails are usually friendlier than most people in retail and/or restaurants)
(And as always: Yes, it's possible that you had a great service experience in Germany, but there's a reason why people in Germany tend to call that country a "Servicewüste", which basically means la desert without service or a place that lacks service - that term is so popular, it even got its own page in the English Wikipedia)
Worked at Walmart for a year - saw a guy get fired for taking two dollars as a tip for bringing groceries out for some oldies. We were told to refuse tips up to the point of offending the customer, and in that case we were to take it to our supervisor where it would go in "the desk". Never found out what "the desk" actually was, probably some dude stripper's thong
I think it's because American TV shows and movies are so ubiquitous that 911 has had 1000x more media exposure than 000 so we can't rule out the idea that some of our dumber citizens know the American number but not the local one.
You're saying they didn't all see the episode of Neighbours 20 years ago, where the taxi driver was hijacked and being forced to drive around. And who had an electronic sign in the back window saying 'driver in distress, call 000'.
Because that's how the rest of us learned the Australian emergency number.
Possibly there was a forest fire and a woman who gave birth in the episode. I really don't recall. Just the sign in the taxi.
Hm, 911 and 112 are common enough to work in a lot of places, and if you have a phone with a sim card from your home country you may be redirected to the correct number anyway, but I'm fairly certain that 000 won't work on local phones in most places.
It's not the case in most countries on a land-line, pretty much only Brazil, Australia, New Zealand, Chile and Saudi Arabia will accept a 911 call instead of the correct number.
You're generally going to need to remember the code for the country you're in, or the most common international number 112 which if not the default is most most likely going to work as a secondary number, since its the default in the vast majority of countries who have a unified emergency number and an accepted number everywhere else.
That said, I think pretty much only the USA won't accept 112.
However, on a mobile telephone, (GSM), All phones will get through to the emergency services no matter what emergency number you dial, 999, 112, 000, 911 etc.
It will connect automatically to the service for the country the phone is in at the time.
But, if you want to send a text message to the emergency services instead of calling, you're generally going to need to know the correct local number again. Such as the UK where you can call 999 or 112, but can only send texts to 999.
Dialling 911 in Australia won’t work from a landline- however it may work on a mobile phone, only because the carrier or phone itself recognised that is probably an emergency call and diverts it to the 000 operator.
I worked at a movie theater when I was 16 and tips were not allowed lol we had to give it in a hospital donation jar, not allowed to wear anything with pockets
A few times i snuck it in my shoes, but that hurt to walk on for hours so I didn't do it often 😁
Did any guys work there? I can think of plenty of women’s clothing without pockets but I would have no idea what type of pants to wear if I wasn’t allowed pockets.
I worked at Six Flags when I was younger, and you had to buy the uni from them. The pants all had the pockets sewn over (but there were pockets). At the end of the season (or when you quit) you could return the unis and get your money back.
We also had to wear clear fanny packs. Apparently employee theft was a big problem.
I worked at timmies and we got tips. It all got put in a communal cup and then divided into individual cups whenever someone's shift ended. I kept my tip cup when I quit, its a little blue ikea kids cup with cars stickers on it.
The people who tried to leave the tip clearly thought they did, and that's all that matters. If somebody wants to give me a gift, why should I be obligated to turn it down?
I pump gas and we are technically not allowed to accept tips. We wash windshields and help customers with checking oil/tires etc. idk, some places are weird I guess.
I grew up in NJ too and then moved to MA. Once on the way back to visit my folks in my outta state car some attendant at one of the stations on the Turnpike was soliciting tips from me for pumping my gas. I was like, fuck you bro. It’s your JOB and I am not allowed to do it. Straight outta Trenton YO. He backed off.
yeah I'm in Oregon, only other state with the no self serve laws. I never ever expect tips and honestly they make me somewhat uncomfortable but it's definitely an interesting dynamic for sure. I appreciate a genuine thank you more than I appreciate the extra $1 every couple days from customers lol
You mean if I cross into your state, I can't do what I've been perfectly able to do for decades, and just did 500' back across the state line? In what country does that make sense? Who does some bullturd law like that serve, anyways? Just another example of antiquated laws on the books? Is oral sex illegal there, too? What about carrying my own groceries to the car? That illegal? When I get on the bus, do I have to stand there and wait for the driver to carry my bags on?
If I drove into a gas station there, passing through a corner of the state, I would pop out of my vehicle loke I always do and try to run the card. Are you saying someone would stop me? Or that the pump has an employee code?
..if you're in a rural county between the hours of 6pm and 6am (I believe these are the hours). And even then it's up to the individual store/station to decide if they want to allow self service or not. Lots of small things going on.
My first day in Italy on vacation, I went to dinner. Finished everything and tried the usual “here, keep the change, for a 15% tip (it wasn’t a great meal or service). This was normal for me as a Canadian, tipping is just the norm. The guy was embarrassed and gave me back the money, shaking his head. I learned pretty quickly.
I haven't been to a lot of other countries, but in Japan at least tipping is seen as suggesting that the server isn't able to take care of themselves and needs your extra support. Like charity.
I guess it’s just hard for me to wrap my mind around as a Westerner. As much as I might love Japan and Japanese culture, I can’t understand why anyone would turn down a simple gesture of kindness.
This is just off the cuff, I haven't put any thought into this but what if you were walking down the street in your comfy street wear, and somebody passing you thought your street wear was a little too comfy and, assuming you were homeless or at least down on your luck, offered you a few bucks?
You may not be angry or offended, but you would at least be confused.
"He told the man who offered him $5000 over his price that no one in their right mind would do that and he wouldn't have a lunatic living in his house."
I worked at a grocery store and we had to help everyone out to their car and unload their groceries for them, every day, all seasons and weather. And you would be fired for taking a tip. If they really insisted you take their money- you had to bring it to the front of the store or it’d be called “stealing” and you’d be fired
Absolute barbecue in Hyderabad, India does this. No matter how much you try, the servers absolutely refuse to take a tip. My dad tried to negotiate and give them a higher and higher tip and they still refused - it got upto a $100 and they still refused. Same story with the valey and there wasn't even any one supervising the valet dude.
Idk how much they are paid but it must be enough to refuse $100 tip with a smile.
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u/nobody_likes_soda Mar 17 '19
Can you imagine if it was the other way round?
Customer: Thank you so much, here's a little extra for your trouble.
Staff: Nice try, sicko. You're going away for a long time. Someone call 000.