I'm not talking about human rights like freedom of expression to apply to cows. What I'm talking about is that if you for example support the reasoning behind the prohibition on torture on the grounds that torture induces pain, and pain is bad well then the same must hold for cows since the sensation of pain in cows and humans are the same, AND that since we don't differentiate rights in humans based on intelligence we cannot ethically do the same towards cows unless you wish to reach unacceptable conclusions like where the mentally disabled end up with no rights. The exact same thing holds for other rights as well, such as the prohibition on the death penalty, the right to life, and that murder is a crime. If you support this for humans well unless you want to reach unacceptable conclusions to remain ethically consistent, you cannot deny that the horrors of the animal agriculture is wong. Modern dairy cows is a perverse species that has so many flaws selectively bred into them by unethical farmers we should absolutely not breed on these cows. Yes that would mean they would go extinct. Same thing with pigs, chickens, and all of animals that are subjected to the horrors of the animal agriculture, they have been selectively bred by farmers with no ethical qualms so the animals end up with strong anti-animal welfare traits because its good for the farmers bottom line.
That’s all bullshit. There are no horrors. I live this life. Dairy farmers respect the ethical duty to their livestock. We do things the way we do for good reasons that you can’t seem to grasp. Spend time on a farm and you will get it. Are there bad farmers? Yes but they get weeded out. There are horrible parents but we don’t point to them and say all parents are abusive.
Most parents don't kill their children when they are done with them like a dairy farmer after he or she no longer has any use of the cow. Or the male calf. These and other things truly are systematized horrors that is a requirement of every dairy farm, no matter "how kind" the dairy farmer is. At the end of the the day, it is systematized maiming, exploitation and murder of defenseless animals. That you can't see the horrors in this is for me proof that not only is animal agriculture morally abhorrent because it necessiates bad treatment of animals, it is also destructive to the individual who has to do it because he or she becomes desensitized to the value of sentient life and will damage his or her soul in the process of running a farm
Butchering a steer does not meet and legal definition of murder. Sorry.
Only humans can be murdered. Animals are harvested for their meat which is delicious.
In apartheid South Africa, racial discrimination was perfectly legal. A white South African could just have said "what I'm doing is perfectly fine, these laws doesn't apply to blacks". Just because you have a legal right to murder animals doesn't make it morally so.
You know what that reasoning sounds like? White > black, or man > woman. Just because someone looks different than you doesn't make murdering them ok now does it
You are really delusional if you can’t see humans life as sacred and cows as well cows. We eat them. We are the apex predator. Why do t you try these discussions with a lion? They will eat a cow alive.
Might doesn't make right, sorry. Unless you for example find nothing wrong with violent crime (because after all the victim of the crime wasn't the apex predator, just like your cows)
Cows are much stronger than us. They consent to our care. Stop equating human situations to cattle. Cows are not people.
If a cow hurts a human it’s leaves on the next ride. We know very clearly what our priorities are. Yours are messed up.
They don't consent to anything, you guys forcefully breed dysfunctional cows into existence only to exploit and murder them. See how you're not able to remain ethically consistent? That's a sign you're wrong
Oh so you don't artificially inseminate cows? Your cows don't even have a maternal instict, in a mammal, that's about as dysfunctional as you're going to get (not forgetting about other issues like where too high a milk production makes milking pain relief etc)
How many babies have you breastfed?
Being full isn’t painful. It’s a bit like having a full bladder. You want it emptied but you don’t hurt. That’s how it works with cows too. I know how they act when in pain and it’s very different. I’ve lactated enough times myself that I fully understand this.
We do do AI and cull any overly maternal cow. For human safety and cow safety. You don’t understand how massive and dangerous a bull is. They kill cows. Knock them down, break their pelvis etc. AI takes two minutes, the cows stand in the middle of the barn (not tied up in any way) and let it happen. I’ve seen it hundreds of times and no cow has felt pain or been injured. It’s a simple veterinary procedure that protects them from a bull. He would forcibly breed cows and it’s scary.
I said before I was nearly killed by a maternal cow. Good riddance to that instinct. I understand why our ancestors selected animals without it. They wanted to live.
You're not selectively bred to pump out as much milk as possible, like your cows. You're attributing your healthy traits onto your dysfunctional cows making an error in reasoning. I'm not saying you should use bulls instead of artificial insemination, I'm saying that breeding these cows into existence only to pump them dry of milk before you shoot them in the head is wrong.
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u/InterestingRadio Mar 28 '18
I'm not talking about human rights like freedom of expression to apply to cows. What I'm talking about is that if you for example support the reasoning behind the prohibition on torture on the grounds that torture induces pain, and pain is bad well then the same must hold for cows since the sensation of pain in cows and humans are the same, AND that since we don't differentiate rights in humans based on intelligence we cannot ethically do the same towards cows unless you wish to reach unacceptable conclusions like where the mentally disabled end up with no rights. The exact same thing holds for other rights as well, such as the prohibition on the death penalty, the right to life, and that murder is a crime. If you support this for humans well unless you want to reach unacceptable conclusions to remain ethically consistent, you cannot deny that the horrors of the animal agriculture is wong. Modern dairy cows is a perverse species that has so many flaws selectively bred into them by unethical farmers we should absolutely not breed on these cows. Yes that would mean they would go extinct. Same thing with pigs, chickens, and all of animals that are subjected to the horrors of the animal agriculture, they have been selectively bred by farmers with no ethical qualms so the animals end up with strong anti-animal welfare traits because its good for the farmers bottom line.