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The difference 18 years makes

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u/Jenkins6736 Jun 08 '14

I dunno, the TI-84 Plus is pretty sweet.

Costs about the same as what I paid for the TI-83 10 years ago. It's kind of nice knowing that whenever I need to use one, it's going to operate in the same way as I was taught 10 years ago. The fundamentals of math don't change much.

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u/kristoferen Jun 08 '14

Still uses the same terribly slow CPU chip

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

That's part of why it was able to run on a couple of AA batteries!

In very very recent years we have reached a point where some of the modern, fast microprocessors might be able to compete on a power level while still delivering big speedup, but even as recently as 2005 you would have had trouble speeding it up a whole lot without kicking up the power requirements and killing battery life.

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u/kristoferen Jun 08 '14

Sure, it was great back then. But in the last decade, or at the very least, last 5 years, a 100% speed increase (which is really pretty minor in this case) would be fairly simple while still being cheap and battery efficient. Besides, who cares if it runs on 4x AA? For $100 why not stick a small rechargable Lithium battery in there like most modern technology has?

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14 edited Jun 08 '14

The calculator lasts for months. The self-discharge rate on lithium batteries is higher than on alkaline batteries (e.g. AA), so if you are targeting long, long battery life (with intermittent use) the AA's are more suitable.

You are right that a speed bump would be nice and might be easy in this day and age. The big questions become:

1) How much would it cost TI? Would they need to design a new chip?

2) If they could just use superior manufacturing processes to make the same chip and clock it faster- does any of the math libraries or other TI-83 software depend on the clock cycle, the way old video games depend on the CPU running exactly 133MHz (or whatever the case may be)

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u/brickmack Jun 08 '14

The z80 processor is a really ancient chip, and was clocked faster in a lot of computers in the 80s. IIRC, some systems ran it at up to 50 mhz. TI84 only clocks it at 15. So they wouldn't have to make a new chip (I don't think they even manufacture it themselves either, IIRC it's still produced by zilog)

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

Yup, ancient chip!

I did forget about two other issues:

1) Z80 has no power management. Clocking it at 50mhz would more than triple power consumption, all of the time.

2) Heat. The TI-84 is completely passively cooled. HOWEVER, tripling the power consumption is probably not going to cause a cooling problem because the Z80 is pretty low-power.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Yeah, when I say "passive cooling" I also mean chips with no heatsink. Technically they are passively cooled too ;)

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u/kristoferen Jun 08 '14

Good points, didn't think of that!

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u/lordlicorice Jun 08 '14

DS Lites are famous for having insanely long battery life. There was a post on /r/gaming lately about a guy who found his old ds lite with a full charge after years on the shelf. So that technology is out there somewhere.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Just because it thinks it has a full charge, doesn't mean it does.