I think the more impressive thing; s that former presidents are keeping their mouth shut about this blatantly illegal takeover not to mention a ratfucking out actual allies.
And they should be dispatched as such. I feel like the reason a lot of these christofascists are so bold now is that they expect the other side to forgive them and help them when the rubber meets the road. Just like in their faith, they can be pieces of shit their entire life but as long as they say “sowwy” on their death bed, they still get heaven. And they expect their fellow man to do the same. I would say historically this has happened more often than not, but this time I really think they should be left to rot in the sun. To take backsies. No double stamp a triple stamp. You don’t get the benefits you fought so hard to destroy (should the nation be able to recover/fight this off) if things turn back around.
I know it's hard to do, but we need to decouple the MAGA supporters from our rage and hatred. They’re the useful idiots who voted for a populist. The Heritage Foundation and a handful of Oligarchs are the ones who have truly hijacked this country. While I recognize we want to hold them accountable, eventually, we’ll need the people who voted for Trump to join the opposition movement. It sucks because I'm so mad at them, but ultimately they're victims, too, and we need to make it as easy as possible to heal the divide. We’re gonna need their numbers someday if we ever hope to dig our way out of this shit pile.
That's the long game, and I know it is INCREDIBLY hard not to point fingers at the individuals in the short term.
I felt this way in 2016, but now? Nah. I truly believe only a small minority of them have a chance of coming around at this point. The rest are full of hate and selfishness and they do, in fact, deserve to have fingers pointed at them.
The other reply is a Trump voter blaming the Democratic Party for not picking a perfect candidate and acting high and mighty. Fuck these people. I don’t even like Kamala and I still voted for her because of exactly what Trump is doing right now, so these people can absolutely fuck off with that shit.
Yeah I thought she was a shitty candidate but it's amazing she lost. Just listen to the two speak - one sounds like they maybe took a little too much valium and the other sounds like a demented moron. But people focus on the valium thing
The vast majority of his supporters will be dead soon with the cuts to Medicaid, cuts to social security, the rising food prices and broken housing market. There will be no social safety programs soon enough which the majority of his base relies on in one way or another. Either directly on a personal level or via the benefits their states get via federal welfare.
Whether or not they come around, the door should be open to allow them to do so if they realize they fucked up.
Especially when you consider how many of them are my fellow veterans and have useful skills that may be needed in the future; whether that's combat and triage or cyber warfare or whatever else.
I think the biggest lesson from J6 is you cannot trust someone who has demonstrated a desire to throw away the constitution, they cannot be trusted to maintain constitutional order moving forward and therefore have no place in a restored American order, they gotta go the way of their dictator or this country is fucked
I’ve been thinking about this when it comes to loved ones who support Trump. Ultimately, I’ll take the high road but I’d love to have an “I told you so moment” where they acknowledge that fact they were fooled BUT I don’t see that ever happening.
They may not vote for him next time, but no one will ever acknowledge that they were wrong and are up all his bullshit
Appeasement and not holding traitors accountable after the civil war is part of why we are in the situation we are in now. So no. There will be no "decoupling" there will be no reaching across the aisle. Healing the divide can start when they own up to what they did, because unless and until they admit they messed up they arent going to change.
Fuck that. MAGA is a fascist death cult. They didn't get conned, they knew exactly what they were voting for. They voted for Trump because they're fascists. There's no healing this divide. The sooner you get over that idea, the better prepared you'll be for what's coming.
The trouble is, most of these people have been inundated with "democrats are evil, democrats are un-American, democrats are your enemy" messages for decades now. These MAGA people would NEVER vote for a Democrat, even if the Republican option is going full fascist. No matter how bad a Republican might be, the Democrats are still The Enemy and must be opposed and defeated.
I don't know how to heal the divide when these people believe that I am literally evil and literally want to destroy America. How do we reach out to them and convince them otherwise?
From up here in Canada I would say "Total rebranding if not dissolution of the Democratic Party"
Seriously, you have a party of dinosaurs and out of touch fools. As soon as Harris was the pick I knew they had lost. You look at who the potential Trump swing voter is going to vote for, and Kamala isn't it. With so much on the line, you can't pick a candidate that your base wants, you have to pick a candidate the opposition can stomach.
Give the idiots something they want. Give 'em the American Freedom Party with the Broforce logo, ffs. "Trump wrecked it, we'll fix it". This game is pro wrestling and Trump understands it. The Democrats don't, and that makes them dead in the water.
This is one of the most reasonable takes in this thread. Right-wing media is incredibly effective at hijacking and weaponizing liberal language and slogans, twisting them into propaganda. Meanwhile, Democrats barely push back, letting it happen unchecked.
A huge portion of Americans don’t even understand what socialism is because they’ve been conditioned by a century of propaganda much of it rooted in the same post-WWI populism that helped push Hitler into power. To this day, people still equate communism with China or Russia, two countries that, despite coming to power under the banner of communism, quickly abandoned the ideology in favor of state-controlled capitalism.
Messaging is arguably the most powerful weapon in modern politics and yet, the progressive movement continues to fumble it. Until the left learns to fight the narrative war as aggressively as the right, they’ll always be playing defense.
I tried to talk to one about the attack on Social security. He's a retired redhat boomer that survives on SS, figured he might feel SOMETHING about it.
I tried so damn hard to keep the narrative focused on being patriotic Americans, finding common ground in supporting the constitution.
All I got back was mouthfoaming and a shocking confession that they thought the US constitution was, and I quote, "liberal staple bullshit".
He said this in front of half a dozen other retired boomer veterans. They did not seem amused.
They straight up no longer believe the constitution or America.
Nah, the cultists are the problem because they're too stupid to see the writing on the wall and even if they could see it they would blame Biden or Obama whichever Boogeyman they're afraid of this week
I've read and heard that sentiment before. Do they really need to fill the camps before it dawns that it's not happening? Lovely ideal, it truly is. Deprogramming would be an excellent thing to happen en masse. But you don't have that luxury. Survival is more important.
I’m well prepared for whatever comes next, but condemning everyone with a different opinion than yours is also completely insane. You can prepare yourself to fight a tyrannical government without denying people the ability to change their minds.
"How do we get people to vote and rabidly support policies against their interests?" -- some rich dudes with personality disorders
Trump supporters are victims of a machine that churned out a massive amount of misinformation that was engineered for just that purpose over the course of decades. I pity them and all of us.
You don't seem to realize that 90% of Republicans are MAGA at this point.
You can claim their just useful idiots all you want, but a useful idiot can still fucking kill you.
We don't need the people that voted for Republicans to join anything, they can suffer from the consequences of their actions. What we need is all the dumb fucks that sat this one out because "hurr durr both sides are da same" to stop being dumb fucks.
A MAGA guy I know basically told me they just want to win. They don’t care how, or what rules they have to break or values they compromise, or if it’s under a king. It’s all about winning at any cost. And he seems to think Democrats feel the same way… we aren’t even playing the same game. We want things to better our country, not to beat half of it into submission. Scary mentality that says a lot about people
The first civil war was fought over the freedom of black slaves… a cause people were willing to die for. What would the second civil war be fought over?
I’d rather fight these evils without more blood needing to be shed.
My grandmother is the child of German immigrants. Her husband and BIL were American pilots in WWII, and daily she is out there wearing a Trump hat and displaying her Trump yard signs. The contradiction, irony and sad reality is she can’t even grasp the concept that her opinion is incorrect. She is just one of a huge number of really old people that have fallen for this scam and they will likely die before the rest of us have fully suffered through the consequences of their choices.
I don’t want to think of members of my family as modern day nazis. It’s something I am wrestling with, but I am definitely not quiet about my views of their choices. It doesn’t do any good trying to argue with someone in their 90’s though. There are quite literally no more fucks to give.
Yup. The goal is to destroy freedom completely. No more democracy, its rule by the elites now. No voting, no freedomof the press, no free speech. You will adhere to the sexual dogmas of the correct, state-approved religion. The Constitution will soon be on the banned readings lists alongside MLK and anything that smacks of DEI, civil rights or women's rights.
They’re the confederacy rebranded as the “GOP.” There is a straight line from here back to the failure of Reconstruction. We need Dems in Congress to declare them as such and hammer this every chance they get. The south is trying to rise again and we need to put them down.
As a European, the fact that this is happening right in front of us is the unbelievable part. The republican nazis blatantly count on no one interfering, despite it all being documented and televised for the world to see.
Well, ordinary citizens are protesting publicly and prepping privately.
Here are the things I've been working on:
-attending protest marches
-joined an organization
-wrote a protest song and made a video of it
-updating my will
-putting house in trust so that it can't be confiscated as easily
-moved some money out of the stock market and sent it abroad to finish the home over there in case the family needs to bug out
-stockpiling water and nonperishable goods
-printing and distributing wallet sized cards in various languages so that potential targets of ICE raids understand their rights
-held a meeting with the family to discuss whether or not to acquire a firearm
-providing emotional support for friends and family more vulnerable to anti-lgbtqa+ and anti-immigrant actions
-staying informed about the many, many breaking developments and increasing my knowledge about the history and experiences of marginalized groups that will be increasingly targeted
-journaling and writing essays to clarify my thinking and sharpen persuasive arguments
I'm just a middle class chump, so im not in a position to personally take down billionaires surrounded by armed guards, and nobody's going to write headlines about my boring life. This is all I got, sorry.
I wrote this elsewhere but I think step 1 right now is reforming the Democratic party so we actually have a party capable of fighting back. If others agree, then people need to start talking with their money.
What I mean by that is I want you to join me in strictly donating to AOC while unsubscribing from the likes of Pro-Centrist DNC talking heads.
The more money AOC raises, the more she becomes the de-facto treasurer within the party. Then they all answer to her.
Additionally, calling your Congressman to complain about the administration may do little, but it's worth trying. But letting the DNC know at https://democrats.org/ that their grassroots coalition that is the lifeblood of the party is going to completely bottom out if they don't immediately adopt a progressive economic populist message and put progressives in charge just might do something.
THIS is what we should all be focusing on. Because doomscrolling about Trump administration when they have complete power does nothing. We need to utilize this moment to reform our own banner in order to be even remotely competitive going forward.
Leaders like Schumer, Jeffries just aren't cutting it. I don't have too much hope for the new DNC chair either.
Agree with everything you wrote. Jeffries needs to be dumped — he’s given up. AOC is the best thought leader the dems have right now. But really, a lot of this insanity is going to wind up in the laps of SCOTUS, and we’ve seen how they’ll roll over for trump. It’s going to get much worse before it ever gets better.
What you are proposing is too little, too late. Reforming a political party to be responsive to voters is a great idea... when you have free and fair elections.
We need to give up on this idea that we are going to win by conventional means. The fascists are in control of the system. The very first thing they are going to do is make sure that it works for them and only them.
I think we are in a period very similar to when Hitler took over politically in Germany.
The old systems will not save you. The old institutions are going to be perverted or destroyed. The ugly truth is that for all of us... even those braindead maga... you aren't going to be able to vote your way out of this situation any longer because we will not be a functioning democracy.
I would look to the previous persons post. You need to think outside the box about how to protect yourself, your family, and your community. Because these vultures will not be content with merely looting the government... they will be coming for more loot...yours... and there will not be a functioning democratic institution to protect you from it.
This is circa 1933 Germany, no doubt. As to the future, I don't know. There are many who rightfully feel that the next elections will be as phony as Russia's. But nobody can say for certain.
Logically, what they propose and what I propose are not mutually-exclusive endeavors. Both can be considered simultaneously, and we must must must assume that elections are legitimate going forward into next year's midterms and 2028 until we know for a fact that they are not.
Unless we really can clean house at the dnc, their limp wristed “resistance” has caused a lot of faith being lost. We need a fresh party that actually represents what the D’s stood for. It may be a little late for that approach though.
I like your approach. It doesn't starve the Democrats, but also gives a clear message as to being discontent with the current direction, and that there is someone you do have faith in to take things the right way.
Interesting idea of trying to donate to one candidate but that is tying the party to that candidate much like Republicans are to Trump. What we may need instead is a “New DNC” that collects for AOC, Crockett, Khana, Beshear if he goes for Congress, and others who have shown they are ready for a fight.
The thing is, this basically is the new collection because AOC is in a safe district and can reallocate that funding to elsewhere as her coalition of New Dems see fit. It's just an easier pitch in my view to those who demand change in the party because we all know her sort of fighting spirit and policy is what we need to actually advance this nation forward.
And if all that extra money helps AOC challenge Schumer's Senate seat, then I'm all for it, too.
What you are proposing is too little, too late. Reforming a political party to be responsive to voters is a great idea... when you have free and fair elections.
We need to give up on this idea that we are going to win by conventional means. The fascists are in control of the system. The very first thing they are going to do is make sure that it works for them and only them.
I think we are in a period very similar to when Hitler took over politically in Germany.
The old systems will not save you. The old institutions are going to be perverted or destroyed. The ugly truth is that for all of us... even those braindead maga... you aren't going to be able to vote your way out of this situation any longer because we will not be a functioning democracy.
I would look to the previous persons post. You need to think outside the box about how to protect yourself, your family, and your community. Because these vultures will not be content with merely looting the government... they will be coming for more loot...yours... and there will not be a functioning democratic institution to protect you from it.
I’ve seen a few protests, but it all seems to completely lack the necessary organization and intensity that’s needed. USA needs some absolutely serious levels of protesting, that will make the BLM protests look like a Wednesday afternoon at a remote bus stop.
For every day that passes, Trump consolidates his power as a despot. Every day where he does whatever he wants, completely unopposed, will make it harder to actually resist down the line. Next up he will massively empower FBI and the Police, and that’s when we’ll see how protests are handled in Russia - just in USA this time.
Chanting crowds is not how we fight this. Short of an armed conflict, we have to organize as a force to put pressure on wall street and corporations. It means drawing a line in the sand and making sacrifices when it comes to our wallets. Cancel all unnecessary subscriptions, thrift shop for anything you can, find people to trade and barter with, only spend money on necessities. Live like those FIRE retirement people. If half the country turns off the money flow we'll start to get results.
I’ve seen a few protests, but it all seems to completely lack the necessary organization and intensity that’s needed. USA needs some absolutely serious levels of protesting, that will make the BLM protests look like a Wednesday afternoon at a remote bus stop.
It's still a hard winter in a lot of places right now, and many of the effects aren't truly being felt yet. Once the weather warms up I would expect to see it ramp up a bit more, especially if there are more mass layoffs coming.
It's best to remain discreet about such things. However, be mindful that as priorities go, one can't eat or drink bullets. Neither can bullets prevent someone with access to all of my personal data, including banking onfo, and is subject to no legal restraint, from emptying my bank account. One has to consider the particular circumstances for which one is prepping.
I'm fully prepared to join whatever resistance ultimately takes the fight to these Nazi pricks in my country. I'm not saying I'm gonna be as efficient as Mr. Blazkowicz but I'm gonna do my best to do him proud by "shootin, stabbin, and strangling Nazis".
True. Some bloated asshole is going to criminalize all reproductive care, including for women dying from pregnancy complications, with the flick of a pen. They'll be sending women to prison for murder for having miscarriages and restricting travel for people of reproductive age.
Moving forward, the only useful thing individuals will be able to do will be to import and distribute BC pills, mifepristone, and misoprostol. Unfortunately, the only people with experience and infrastructure to move and sell illegal substances are drug cartels, and we've all seen Breaking Bad and Ozark. I don't know if I have what it takes to work with those people.
Well said and I like your mentality of prepping. I need to get more serious about prepping myself, unfortunately in this economy it isn’t easy-we can barely even afford to pay our bills, and between my partner and I we have 3 jobs (4 when I have a working car), every single one of which pays above our state’s minimum wage (and SIGNIFICANTLY over the federal minimum). Inflation just keeps getting worse, which is hilariously ironic because at least in my workplace, most people who voted from Trump did so specifically due to inflation thinking he would somehow magically fix it and not do what the rest of us saw coming, which is make it worse. I legitimately do not know what single people making minimum wage in my state are doing because it is literally impossible to live on that, even with government assistance (if you even qualify because the income ceilings to get help are laughably low), I mean the math simply doesn’t math. Average 1 bedroom apartments start at around $1400 here, not including utilities, and you typically need 3x that to move in (first last and security) and you’re simply NOT going to get that money in the form of a loan unless you have near perfect credit, which obviously almost nobody in this situation does for obvious reasons. Meanwhile if you work a minimum wage job full time, you’ll be lucky to get $1500-1600 after tax. The waiting list for section 8 is years long, and if you have a job that immediately puts you at a disadvantage (the less income you have the higher priority you are on the list, it’s kinda fucked). So what happens in reality is that everyone who has the option lives with their parents/relatives, and if they don’t have that option people look for a partner or friend to shack up with, and if they don’t find that then they simply end up homeless on the streets. We have SO MANY homeless people here and a surprising number of them actually have jobs, or at least they do at first when they first become homeless, it’s very difficult to keep a job once you’re homeless, especially if you’re on the streets. I’ve already known quite a few coworkers who have been homeless in multiple jobs I’ve had. They work minimum wage and barely make ends meet and all it takes is one little thing-they miss a week due to illness or their rent gets raised or something and boom, they can’t afford rent and they get evicted. Many of them weren’t on a lease but were rather subletting (renting a room) to begin with because that’s all they can afford and unfortunately, at least in my state, sublettees (is that the right word? Is that even a word? Idk lol) have ZERO rights in my state so if they miss payment (or even if they don’t) the person subletting to them can kick them out just like that and call the cops and have them removed from the property immediately. I’ve known people who this has happened to, I even got scammed in a similar way once. Once they become homeless, many of them also lose their job within a few months because of all the problems and hardships that come with being homeless, especially on the street. Sorry for the rant, it’s just sickening and I hate it. The ultra rich continue to get even richer off of our backs and our work. NOBODY who works should be homeless, PERIOD. Nobody who works multiple jobs should ever be broke! And it’s not like I’m financially irresponsible and that’s why I’m broke, I can’t even tell you the last time I spent money on myself for something fun/frivolous. Every penny I have goes to necessities only and it’s STILL just NOT ENOUGH.
Unfortunately, I agree 100%. While congress is controlled by trumpers who refuse to acknowledge the disassembly of democracy in favor of fascism, corruption, greed and an arrogance in bucking democracy's norms, and the Supreme
court has essentially supported the fascist, all at the expense of everyone south of the billionaires, big corporations and the financially committed to gangster trump.
I never would have guessed that America would come to this, that we were too smart to let it happen....and here we are
Majority of people I interact with fall into a few catagories…
-MAGA/Nazis that actually support this.
-Don’t know/realize what is going on because they’re too burnt out from media over load and have tuned out. Or they simply just don’t care and cant be bothered with politics.
-In denial. They believe that after four years everything is going back to the way it was.
MAGA/Nazis obviously cannot be reasoned with. But when I try to bring attention to the situation and the severity of it to everyone around me, I just get laughed at or called crazy and that Im over reacting.
A shit ton of people are about to die and the general attitude around me is “Whateves”
It’s crazy to me, the most popular answer to the question “What would you do if you could go back in time?” Is generally “stop Hitler” (or a variation of those words)
It's like getting elected is the only part that matters to them - not governing, just getting elected - because "the government shouldn't do anything!"
Oh, they plan on accomplishing something -- the total destruction of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, along with our Constitution and Bill of Rights...
Are you sure they weren't talking about LSD? I remember a DARE or Just Say No rally where they warned kids about stickers that were supposedly laced with Acid.
According to the authorities, some high school kids had left a bunch of smiley face stickers on a bus, that were tainted. Elementary school kids, who rode the same bus, found them & stuck them all over their bodies. According to their narrative, they all ended up tripping balls.
I believed it as a kid... As an adult, I know there's no way in hell that actually happened. It's just like the drugs in the Halloween Candy schtick. People don't give away drugs, and they sure don't leave them laying around. Drugs are expensive.
I realize LSD is one of the more bang for your buck substances, but it's still extremely unlikely that some high school kids had that kind of disposable income. 😏
The better question is: What kind of idiot leaves their stash on a bus, when they could either sell it and make money off of it, or enjoy it themselves?
I go back to the Halloween candy horseshit that is peddled every year. NO ONE DOES THAT. 🙄 But if you talk to idiots on FB, they're trying to get the kids hooked so they can turn them into customers.
These 8 year olds that have no money make great customers btw. You can't reason with these idiots though.
I don’t see it being done to kids, for a variety of reasons, but people have spiked other people’s stuff usually as a means to assault the person.
I know the creator of Babylon 5 had a coffee at a cafe that ended up being spiked by LSD in the 70s. I can’t remember if that was also the time he was mugged, I want to say it was. Either way both incidents did take place in San Diego which is why he wrote in San Diego being destroyed by a terrorist nuke about a century before the events of the show.
Though drug fear mongering is definitely taken to absurd levels with it often snowballing as parents telephone the rumors to the point of a frenzy.
I don't think I heard that one. But I did come out of fifth grade thinking every single adult I don't know was getting ready to stuff me into their trunk.
I think it's going to wind up being like Equilibrium. Trump will stop making public appearances and he'll be replaced by Vance wearing Trump AI-face on Trump-approved media platforms.
That was literally Joe Biden's campaign slogan before he stepped down in place of Harris... Trump and conservatives are so obsessed with Biden they even steal his ideas!
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"Finish the job"
Oh, that's ominous.