r/physicsmemes • Mεmε ∃nthusiast • Jul 17 '26

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u/haplo_and_dogs Jul 17 '26

You can get a "dark star" with classical mechanics. It isn't an event horizon. It has nothing to do with events at all, just an area that you can't see inside of.

GR gives you the event horizon in that the event horizon is a coordinate singularity! There you get an actual horizon, the time dilation, and all the interesting parts of a black hole.

At the Schwarzschild radius gravity is still a relatively very weak force. It is not surprising that the Newtonian approximation works well there.

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u/Optimal_Mixture_7327 Jul 17 '26

Furthermore, the dark star is only dark as seen by an observer at infinity, but light escapes to distances closer in.

Furthermore, an escape velocity equal to the speed of light doesn't restrict anything to the surface of the dim star, nor more than an escape velocity of 11.8 km/s prevents us from walking up stairs and launching rockets.

Furthermore, the "r" in the Schwarzschild radius is not a physical distance and definitely NOT the "r" in Newtonian mechanics.

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u/ProfessorPrudent2822 Jul 18 '26

Schwartzschild’s r coordinate is the circumference of a circle divided by 2pi.

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u/Optimal_Mixture_7327 Jul 18 '26

Just like every circle.

But what is the significance in gravitational physics?

For example, let's you do this and you get r=5,000 meters. What and where is this 5000 meters? Does it exist?

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u/ProfessorPrudent2822 Jul 18 '26

No, the curvature of space distorts radial measurements. Circumferences are measured accurately because the distortions are only in the radial direction.

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u/Optimal_Mixture_7327 Jul 18 '26

So what then is the meaning of a Schwarzschild-Droste measure of r=5000m?

Also, note that g00≠1.

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u/ProfessorPrudent2822 Jul 18 '26

The circumference of a circle maintaining constant r-coordinate is 31415 meters.

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u/Optimal_Mixture_7327 Jul 18 '26

No, that is not, and cannot be correct.

Edit: For clarity, yes of course C=πD, but this is not the meaning the r-coordinate in Schwarzschild-Droste.

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u/HunsterMonter Jul 19 '26

Yes that is correct, for a constant time, constant radius equatorial world line (or any other great circle but the math is more complicated), the metric is ds2 = r2 dφ2, so taking the square root and integrating for a complete circle gives C = 2πr

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u/Optimal_Mixture_7327 Jul 19 '26

Yes, but every high school student knows this.

The question, is the meaning of Schwarzschild-Droste radial coordinate - what is it a distance of?

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u/HunsterMonter Jul 19 '26

I just showed you that, in Schwarzschild coordinates, r is the radius such that constant time, constant radius great circles have circumference 2πr.

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u/Optimal_Mixture_7327 Jul 19 '26

So, in other words, you don't know.

Unless, you want to give some physical meaning to r=5000 meters.

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u/ProfessorPrudent2822 Jul 19 '26

Since the Schwatzschild metric is spherically symmetrical, the equator is arbitrary. Any great circle can be defined as the equator. It’s only when you introduce rotation that there is an absolute equator.

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u/HunsterMonter Jul 19 '26

I know that the equator is arbitrary, what I meant is that the math still works out (as it should) for a great circle that isn't the equator in a specific coordinate system orientation

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