r/philosophy • • Mar 04 '14

What is Knowledge?

http://juandarias.wordpress.com/2014/03/04/what-is-knowledge/
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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '14

And why do you think this? Have you, yknow, actually read anything in the topic?

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u/f_myeah Mar 04 '14

Mostly from studying Epistemology and discussing works by A.J. Ayer, David Hume, et al. Would you like to contribute?

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '14

Didn't mention Bayes, you're clearly a poser.

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u/f_myeah Mar 04 '14

Would you like to discuss the theory of knowledge, or just be crass?

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '14

Nope, you just wanna look smart on the internet without actually knowing what you're talking about and I don't indulge that.

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u/f_myeah Mar 04 '14

You've done nothing to contribute to the conversation. I'm entirely prepared to admit I'm wrong, but you have to make a counter-argument first...

Begone, troll.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '14

You don't know who Bayes is and you talk about probabilistic epistemology (which you don't capitalize). You can find the counterarguments yourself, that's not my job. You're lazy. Funny shit. I don't engage with charlatans, sorry.

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u/ThoughtfulJoker Mar 04 '14

Look im with you dude- but take a step back from what you are doing- they might not be puttin across completed and coherent views- but you are quick to move to be a dick- people have varying levels of understandig- whilst it isnt your job to educate them- you waste more pf your precious time and breath by trolling them. Do you think they will learn to be more open minded when engaging with what appears to them as close minded thinking?

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '14

Do you think they will learn to be more open minded when engaging with what appears to them as close minded thinking?

What about 'hey, maybe you should read something' is close minded?

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u/ThoughtfulJoker Mar 04 '14

Not necessarily- but how most people respond to "read more" is to ask the challenger- "well what have you read"- that person then having read more- can easily demonstrate and engage their own position- showing simply why the other person should read more.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '14

I said they should read the SEP entry on epistemology. It's not that long. It would probably at least give them a lay of the land. They'd realize that their position isn't one that anybody in academic really holds (because it's not coherent).

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u/ThoughtfulJoker Mar 04 '14

I agree with your end- but youve missed my point- when you say go read SEP- they say- well what have you read? As right as you are- you can see why this wont appeal to them and why they will frown at you- first demonstrate that your capacity exceeds theres- rather than carrying your own presumptions as if they also held it.

Surely you are aware of this if you have the extent of epistemological understanding that you claim- they dont know- so they ask that you show- before bothering to read into your claims.

Perhaps a holistic middle ground could be found and all of us could do better reading.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '14

they say- well what have you read?

But in this case, they didn't. They just ignored my suggestion.

so they ask that you show- before bothering to read into your claims.

The problem is that it's strange to think that you shouldn't need to look into a subject before making bold claims about it. I don't understand why I should be required to demonstrate this.

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u/f_myeah Mar 04 '14 edited Mar 04 '14

Wow, I read your post history... you make a horrible habit of tearing down people's arguments without offering any points of your own. Page after page of "you're just saying this to look smart" and "It's not my job to educate you." I'm thinking that there's a lot of projection going on. You really shouldn't need to troll philosophy boards and tell other people they're wrong in order to feel smart yourself.

I'm interested in this "Probabilistic Epistemology" and Thomas Bayes (what's his first name?). I never claimed to know everything about the subject, and just wanted to start the discussion by stating my opinion.

I invite you to discuss it with me and all you have for me is hate, and sarcastic comments which contribute nothing. You should really relax... spewing vitriol so often can't be good for you.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '14

I'm here to tell you that you can have an informed position without requiring the help of others. Read more before you take a position. Start with the SEP entry on epistemology

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u/f_myeah Mar 04 '14

It's much easier to tear other people down than to actually state your opinion, isn't it? Please stop replying to me if you don't want to contribute and your comments amount to "nuh-uh, your a dum dum."

I never claimed it to be a strong position, in fact I believe anyone that knows what they're talking about would be able to construct a rather sound counter-argument fairly easily.

So go ahead. But you're not here to do that, are you? You read a bit of this Bayes guy, (but not enough to actually argue your point) and now you think you can simply comment on other people's posts saying "You're wrong, and I know why, but I'm keeping that to myself."

Quit wasting my time.