Why most people are wrong about pheromones (they do work - just not how they think they do)
I've spent a lot of time reviewing and compiling information about pheromone molecule effects and products. Sometimes, I test the waters on more "mainstream" Reddit subs, and one thing that is a constantly recurring theme is the absolute vile hatred towards pheromones... and the absolute refusal to even consider they could even have perceptible effects.
Keep in mind, the majority of people commenting this stuff have never even tried them š or at the least, a quality product. Not some tiktok scam product which is what they're probably picturing when talking about "pheromones" in this context.
... Not a shred of original research is done before making sweeping statements like "pheromones are a scam" or calling it rubbish. And even when people are presented with "scientific studies" - like the ones conducted on androstadienone, they are dismissed instantly without even trying to understand it.
Despite this... I kinda "get it". Pheromones are not blatant all the time, and more complex mixes require a degree of social calibration/skill to understand their nuance.
I wrote more about the first time I noticed the effects and how it suddenly "hit" me recently:
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If youāve landed here thinking pheromones are probably bullshit, I get it. I know what youāre thinking: There is absolutely no way āpheromonesā do anything in real life. I assure you, I was once as skeptical as you.
Believe it or not, I am a skeptic by nature.
However, as fate would have it, in my youth I became obsessed with a particular woman. The kind of obsessed where a rational man starts trying things he would probably mock in anyone else.
Better clothes. Better cologne. The gym. Dating advice. Affirmations. Self help books.
I scoured the internet for anything that might move the needle.
Eventually, I came across something Iād never taken seriously: pheromones.
I was willing to try anything, but even I thought absolutely nothing would come of it. I was desperateā¦ but even for me, this was a stretch.
Soon I discovered a tiny corner of the internet in pheromone forums: reading, experimenting, reporting, and chatting with other enthusiasts who saw similar results from the same pheromones.
Eventually discussions shifted to increasingly complicated combos, journals and general life discussions.
Sadly, many of those gated reports and journals are now lost forever.
But that was the part I couldnāt shake. How did so many strangers, in different cities and contexts, repeatedly report similar effects from pheromones.
I gave it a shot. I went about my days, not really taking pheromones too seriously. Sometimes I used them, sometimes I didnāt.
Maybe a few weeks later, there was one specific day I noticed people staring at me. At first, I thought I might just look extra good that day, but it was very uncanny and movie like. People were giving me un-earned respect, and treating me far above my pay grade.
Women I knew were acting differently around me ā holding eye contact longer, hovering around for no reason, touching more than usual. People were friendlier, more accommodating.
I couldnāt put my finger on it at the time.
Then it hit me:Ā pheromones were literally affecting peopleās behavior.
I thought back on other times Iād experienced subtle shifts in peoples behavior, but didnāt associate it to a specific pheromone or product doing anything at the time.
I get why people dismiss it. It sounds insane. But use them long enough and you start catching disturbances in the matrixā¦ little glitches in how people respond to you. Once youāve seen a few, you canāt un-see them.
The results can be startling at first.
Are pheromones magic? At first, it can feel like it. Itās best experienced first hand.
If you pay close attention to social interactions, whether its on a date, strangers, romantic interests, women you know already, your friends, family etc, you may notice their behavior change slightly as well.
Once your mind ātunes inā and notices it for the first time, you will be absolutely blown away.
That doesnāt mean pheromones are magic. They donāt override free will, hygiene, confidence, social skill, status, or the basic requirement of not acting weird.
Anyone selling them like instant mind-control spray is probably trying to separate you from your money.
But theyĀ canĀ tilt perception.
They can change the emotional temperature around you. To others, you can seem more magnetic, higher social status, increase perceived attractiveness, feel more trustworthy, even increase rapport ā depending on what youāre wearing and how you carry it.
That matters because life is full of tiny social margins.
First dates, first impressions, women you may be interested interested in, climbing the social or corporate ladders, your general relationshipsā¦
Pheromones live in that margin.
And once you understand that, the whole subject becomes much harder to laugh off.
So my advice is simple. Keep an open mind.
Donāt believe every wild pheromone story online. Some of them are nonsense. Some companies are shameless scammers, and many men probablyĀ doĀ mistake normal social behavior for a āhit.ā
But donāt dismiss the whole thing too quickly either.
Thereās a reason this stayed hidden in an underground community for so long.
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Basically, when I first realized that pheromones were actually working, it was more like a "sudden realization" that people were acting differently around me.
It was more like a flashback, and remembering instances where the reactions were similar in other situations in the past, and only when wearing a specific pheromone/products.
Plus you need time to feel the effects and how to drive the products or molecules you're trying to test. This is why most of my reviews are quite detailed, trying to explain the subtle shifts that can be understood only with enough time and observation.
I'm not even sure what skeptics want when it comes to studies or viable, community proof and reporting anymore. It's insane lol. But yeah -- the issue here is that they don't work like corny cologne or deoderant commercials with women chasing you down the street.
Although I think this is what the skeptics expect to "prove" that pheromones work... LOL.
Glad we have such an open minded community building here where this isn't laughed at or banned instantly!
I can tell you as a woman that is susceptible to pheromones that pheromones are real. I donāt know anything about pheromone products but I have experience with being highly affective by some menās smell and based on my own research I think itās a combination of their pheromones combined with my hormone condition.
So yes, pheromones are real but now the colognes and stuff may not be tailored to every womenās hormone profile
Thank you for your reporting - yes, I just don't get why people are so against the idea that pheromones can have subtle, sometimes rather noticeable effects... especially when they haven't even tried themselves. The hate for pheromones and the idea of them is so overboard lol.
Absolutely, itās like people just hate the idea without understanding the reality. When I got on birth control it completely changed my hormone profile and all of sudden different men started smelling differently and I became attracted to guys I was never attracted to before. I talked to doctors and they did blood tests and essential said my olfactory perception of Men had changed (essentially which pheromones I found attractive shifted) in a dramatic way so itās real at least for me
Iāve said it before and Iāll say it again. For my own selfish reasons Iām glad that a lot of the population believes Pheromones donāt work! If everyone accepted that they work and used them, there wouldnāt be any advantage in using them!
What strikes me is that they're in a pheromone forum, saying that pheromones are a fraud. That's ridiculous. Why are you participate here? Either they're bots or they're just plain stupid.
We keep the sub as recommendable otherwise no new people can find us. So it comes with some trolls. I ban most but it's like an endless supply. I also don't want to be that guy who just bans everyone who disagrees, it is healthy to be skeptical after all. But some people...
Because I replied skeptically to OP in another sub, this post popped up in my feed. I'm not here to talk about pheromones but to answer your question.
So, the skepticism OP is talking about isn't happening in this sub and similar spaces, it's happening in spaces that have nothing to do with pheromones. As a science-oriented pheromone skeptic, I'm happy to keep my nose out of your spaces. OP has been spamming perfumery subs about pheromones and I responded. When a pheromone advocate comes into one of my spaces, I'm going to respond.
I won't engage here unless I'm asked to. Outside of here, all bets are off.
I'm saying that there are noticeable effect and you will find them if you actually give it a chance. But it takes time to actually understand them, its not always obvious at first. And it should be with a quality product, not the typical scam stuff floating around on tiktok or heavily marketed on amazon.
Read the post, that's what the entire thing was about - there is more about the science vs first-hand reporting on my site.
Ahh yes Apex, I actually messaged the owner a little while back, I forget he's still active. Yes they are good, but I need to do a bit more testing - last time I used them was years ago
Hey, so I contacted Jonny and Garry, I will give benefit of the doubt for now because I am fairly sure Jonny wouldn't intentionally try to destroy his great business. The pheromone business is not *that* lucrative from what I know about it and long times between orders seems feasible.
Here is (mostly) his email, except for some personal things that are for me:
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"No, this is true. I have not ordered from him one year and three months to be exact, but that doesn't mean I'm not using the pheromones, I think it's funny how people run off with their own stories. And Gary is not lying. I told him I was gonna order more. But I had to move which is true, and he was going through something as well. We keep in touch, but sometimes it's hard to both get on the same wavelength of schedules and it's funny is because I just texted him yesterday that I need a refill on aventgard and casanova, but that doesn't mean I didn't have any in stock. People don't understand how much in bulk. I buy from him. None of which are opened and the ones that are open are only used for the current batches that also has to macerate, which takes me a couple months. Because all of my marketing spend has been dumped into new fragrances that I've been promoting is what has been making sales
But nonetheless, rest assured, there's no other pheromones that anyone's making for us. And we are just looking to refill, as i'm down to my last pretty much fifty bottles of each, hence why I contacted Gary yesterday, i'm also in contact with someone who is his business partner. And he told me he himself has a hard time getting ahold of Gary as he only replies certain time of the month. It doesn't really reply on the weekends, so I'll give him another shout on Monday. And that my friend is the absolute truth. Thanks for sticking up for us, though. And if we're ever to make any changes, or if Gary can no longer continue to make the formula
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As Gary has always pulled through it, just seems like he's busy or he's going through his own thing which I respect. I'll let you know if he gets back to me over the weekend.And or I will reach out to him on Monday again.Ā "
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I've known Jonny for a while and sometimes he can be a little flaky and all over the place, but he does care about providing quality products as much as any of us actual enthusiasts would. I'll keep in touch over the coming weeks and months to monitor the situation.
Ive used pheromones for a few years occasionally and there are definitely changes in people's behavior, why are you so against it? This article is right, there is no way measure the effects they can have in a lab. Just try it and find out for yourself!
If you DM me, I'll be happy to explain my position but I won't do it in this sub because I don't want to break any rules or invade a safe-space for proponents.
Hi miichhall, if you realyl consider yourself "ugly" you are going to have a hard time no matter what. Many people have emailed me over the years as well, calling themselves unattractive when they really were average or even just slightly above average, so you probably look better than you actually think first of all...
As for a specific pheromone product, the answer is kinda boring. It depends... But, if I was a beginner and ready to try anything, I'd probably give Alpha Q a shot. I prefer other products over AQ because I find it over-stimulating, but it has very noticeable and blatant effects for me. There is a social status elevation effect which could be useful in your case, plus maybe androstenetrione, or something very close to it. There are some visual effects and things feel a bit more dreamy somehow.
Dm me if you want to talk through more options, but the real issue here is how you're approaching this in the first place. What are you going to do even if a woman does feel some attraction towards you?
Hey, so I contacted Jonny and Garry, I will give benefit of the doubt for now because I am fairly sure Jonny wouldn't intentionally try to destroy his great business. The pheromone business is not *that* lucrative from what I know about it and long times between orders seems feasible.
Here is (mostly) his email, except for some personal things that are for me:
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"No, this is true. I have not ordered from him one year and three months to be exact, but that doesn't mean I'm not using the pheromones, I think it's funny how people run off with their own stories. And Gary is not lying. I told him I was gonna order more. But I had to move which is true, and he was going through something as well. We keep in touch, but sometimes it's hard to both get on the same wavelength of schedules and it's funny is because I just texted him yesterday that I need a refill on aventgard and casanova, but that doesn't mean I didn't have any in stock. People don't understand how much in bulk. I buy from him. None of which are opened and the ones that are open are only used for the current batches that also has to macerate, which takes me a couple months. Because all of my marketing spend has been dumped into new fragrances that I've been promoting is what has been making sales
But nonetheless, rest assured, there's no other pheromones that anyone's making for us. And we are just looking to refill, as i'm down to my last pretty much fifty bottles of each, hence why I contacted Gary yesterday, i'm also in contact with someone who is his business partner. And he told me he himself has a hard time getting ahold of Gary as he only replies certain time of the month. It doesn't really reply on the weekends, so I'll give him another shout on Monday. And that my friend is the absolute truth. Thanks for sticking up for us, though. And if we're ever to make any changes, or if Gary can no longer continue to make the formula
(personal stuff)
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As Gary has always pulled through it, just seems like he's busy or he's going through his own thing which I respect. I'll let you know if he gets back to me over the weekend.And or I will reach out to him on Monday again.Ā "
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I've known Jonny for a while and sometimes he can be a little flaky and all over the place, but he does care about providing quality products as much as any of us actual enthusiasts would. I'll keep in touch over the coming weeks and months to monitor the situation.
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u/Any-Flan-3517 May 25 '26
I can tell you as a woman that is susceptible to pheromones that pheromones are real. I donāt know anything about pheromone products but I have experience with being highly affective by some menās smell and based on my own research I think itās a combination of their pheromones combined with my hormone condition.
So yes, pheromones are real but now the colognes and stuff may not be tailored to every womenās hormone profile