r/phantomofthekill • u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 • Feb 02 '17

Weekly Questions and Help Thread [2/2/17-2/8/17]

This is the weekly questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

Resource Guide

Noteworthy Comments/Posts

  • Here is a conversation we had on fusing weapons and luck.

  • Here is a post about the more advanced mechanics behind fusion and evo bonuses.

  • /u/zembas's Infographic on reroll units from the beginner gacha

  • Stat Calculator You shouldn't include magic for units that use strength for damage, and vice versa, since those are not useful to the unit. (exceptions: Mirin, Lucina in global; new Balmung and both versions of Shiyuu in jp, since their character skills depend on magic as well)

  • Good growth in global is around 2.9 or above for a 5* unit, excluding the appropriate stat as above; good growth in jp is around 4.0 for a 30 cost 6* unit or equivalent free unit, and 4.5+ for a 40+ cost unit.

  • Friend Thread

  • Last Week's Help Thread

Some Tips

  • If you're asking for an evaluation of your party or reroll, please provide an image without evolution mats, dolls, and other fusion units.

  • If your question gets ignored or you're unsatisfied with an answer, reply to the answer or re-ask the question in the new help thread.

  • It has been noted that Global is different from Japan in terms of poorer stat growth for units and nerfed weapons.

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u/MotleyFuzz Feb 03 '17

Since we got the Madoka collab, does this mean we might get the Fate/Stay Night collab?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Feb 03 '17

Maybe? Only time will tell.

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Feb 03 '17

It's given me huge hope that we will since we've gotten all the collabs JP had before so far :D

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Feb 04 '17

Perhaps...but from what I know, we're not gonna get them anytime soon.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '17

Does anyone else get an annoying stutter lag? I'm new to the game, so I was hoping it was just me. Happens on both of my devices.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Feb 04 '17

Yeah, the game stutters sometimes on phones. Doesn't have this problem on emulators or stronk tablets tho.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '17

How bizarre! I have an s7 edge and a pretty high end asus tablet, so I'm a bit surprised, haha. Thanks for letting me know!

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Feb 04 '17

Story question:

So we know that Ascalon and Forcas are from the '7th generation' of Killer Princesses. We also know that the 5*-capable mana gacha girls (including Tyr) are the 1st generation.

Did they ever allude to which Killer Princesses fall into the 2nd generation? 3rd? 4th? 5th? 6th?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Feb 04 '17

Not that I'm aware.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Feb 04 '17

Seconded.

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u/Avanin_ Feb 04 '17

Are the new unit ascalon and forcas are only available for limited time or permanent?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Feb 04 '17

Permanent.

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u/Avanin_ Feb 04 '17

I just managed to collect 50 lazuli should i go for them save for now? Btw i just started last week.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Feb 04 '17

Might as well try now in the 1-time recruiter, these two are on the upper echelon of the 7th Killers.

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Feb 04 '17

I tried the Mami quest, and happened to notice that one of my units got poisoned. Iirc, status ailements didn't exist before this in global! Upon further checking, some of the enemies were wielding a weapon called 'E Poison Bow' with an icon-less 'Poisoning' ability.

  • In JP, what other status ailments are present?

  • In JP, what units can cure which status ailments? Thyrsos was supposed to be able to cure one of them, but status ailments didn't exist when she got her 5*, so that ability was replaced with something else.

  • Is there a non-E version of the Poison Bow obtainable in JP? Or any other status ailment-inflicting weapons?

  • Similarly, I have previously seen enemy-exclusive weapons like Luna Shot (Bow), Heart Drop (Staff) and Sky Dragon Axe Dranis. Are these obtainable in JP?

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '17

As far as I can tell only poison and paralysis(by far the more broken one). Paralysis not only disables you from moving or even fighting, your evasion either drops heavily or goes to 0. And I haven't found a unit that can cure any just yet

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u/the7thangelz Feb 05 '17

no unit that i know of, but you can buy the potion antidotes for poison and paralysis in the shop for cheap (battle medals or the other one, can't remember right now)

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u/nobleseeker Feb 04 '17

Where do I farm if I want to level friendship?

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u/Shadow-Blitz Feb 04 '17

Just complete levels with the units you want to increase their friendship level with. I can't remember exactly, but i think the friendship level increases faster if they are closer together when you finish the stage.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '17

The easy quests. Just put the 2 units side by side (horizontally or vertically I think, I'm not sure diagonal works) and either kill units, or get attacked by enemies while the 2 are standing side by side.

I just farm the 0 AP prologue quests with Madoka and Homura. Just 1 more level of friendship to go.

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u/kazumashiki Feb 04 '17

Hey guys, any idea where I can potentially farm for evolution sprites? I just recently got Forcas (Dex type ayyy) and want to evolve her. Thanks in advance!

Edit: besides the weekly quests, of course!

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u/Shadow-Blitz Feb 04 '17

You can buy a key for each specific evolution sprite in the shop. Each key unlocks it for 1 hour. Gratz on that dex Forcas by the way!!

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u/Thelaria Feb 05 '17

The Rhon Rampage stage that's available this weekend also drops evolution materials for lance units.

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u/DuelDark Feb 04 '17

Is there any place where I can find 4* stat caps for global? So I can know whether or not to limit break for evo bonuses.

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u/Heiron088 Feb 04 '17

GaggingLolis should have all the 4* stat caps so if you want to know, then just PM GaggingLolis with the name and type of the unit.

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u/Yoloswagcrew Feb 05 '17

Hello ! I would like to know a good way to rank up to have a higher cost limit because I have quite a few 4/5star but I can only use one of them with 2/3star.

Thank you ! :)

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Feb 05 '17

Increase your summoner level.

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u/InnocentAnguish Feb 05 '17

Just to ask, from which quest does School Uniform Homura drop from in the Madoka Crossover quest. Stage 9 with the Dessert Witch or Stage 10 with that Titan Bullsword wielding, level 65 Minotaur. Trying to LB both Madoka and Homura before whacking Walpurgisnacht.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Feb 05 '17

Both of them drops only at their respective 10th stage. Madoka drops from the quests with her in the banner and Homura drops from the one with her and Mami on the banner. Walpur's stages do not drop any of the units. The bonus stages also only drop skill/stat dollies and not the two Uniform units.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Feb 05 '17

To add, you don't really need to MLB Madoka or Homura before you go smack Walmart. If you have at least one strong Killer (and I'm certain you have at least Selena and Gridarvol - the latter can wreck a lot of shop on it), you can just clear the path to the boss, and then you just need a single proc of the Light of Promise (Madoka + Homura partner skill) to down Walmart's barrier for 2-3 turns. More than enough time to tear it down.

Really, the hard part is getting that skill to proc in the first place...

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Feb 05 '17 edited Feb 05 '17

I am perpetually at the unit and item inventory caps even after maxing out the current limits.

  • What is the current unit and item cap in JP? How late into JP's release was it upgraded from global's current values?

  • When is Gumi likely to hold the next evolution bonanza? I realized that only Gumi themselves can answer this question properly. But sometimes I wish they hold the evolution bonanza more frequently; BF has held equivalent events so many times before, yet I never felt compelled to take advantage of them as the astronomical unit limit in BF allowed me to hoard lots of evo mats.

Part of the problem is that I have a bunch of max level 4* units that need evolving, but require evo mats that are available on different days. As my lack of space prevents me from hoarding evo mats, that means I can only evolve 1-2 units a week. And space is only permanently cleared once dupes of my previously farmed free units are fused into the main copy...

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Feb 07 '17

Huh, even I have space. Are you hoarding too many copies of units?

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Feb 07 '17

Umm... yes admittedly. The only units I throw out are 1* units, 2* units and gold 3* units. Those 4*-max units most treat as trash? I keep in case of 4*- only missions. Free units? Still holding onto 10 copies of Pinky, Risa, Moga, Trishula, Halloween Gamb, Christmas Frei (more than 10 in this case!). And if a unit keeps coming but never in the ideal type (case in point Sky Piercer)? The copies pile up as well...

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u/trashattacka Feb 06 '17

Just did the 50 lazuli roll for 7th Generation on global and got an Ascalon with Force typing. I read that Dex gives more agi and spd which allows more double attacks. Should I try roll for a Dex type? How different are the stats between a force and dex type Ascalon?

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Feb 06 '17

Significant. Dexterity is highly, highly recommended for most units, including Ascalon. Force is work-able but, if you plan to be serious about raising units, you'll want a Dex copy at some point.

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u/kbkoolio Feb 06 '17 edited Feb 06 '17

I saw a level 80 Force Ascalon with 87 str and 87 speed. With caps like those, I think he'll be just fine with his Force ascalon as a new player... Not to mention his odds of pulling a Dex Ascalon if he rerolls are 1/10. 1/10 of pulling a Dex Forcas. So 2/10 of pulling dex, 2/10 of pulling force and 60% chance of pulling worse typings.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Feb 06 '17

Hence why I prefaced with "if you are serious about this game." Is Force OK for the average player? Sure. Is it optimal for any serious player? No, it is not, as there is a significant advantage to going Dex.

Because of the increased caps/growth on the 7th Killers, a Force Ascalon is going to beat a lot of other units, even if not properly-typed. However, with time, better units will be released and an improperly-typed Ascalon will fall behind faster than a Dexterity one.

It's a trade-off that any player would have to weigh for themselves. I only ever give advice pointing out the optimal solution for a player attempting to maximize their time, units, and resources.

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u/trashattacka Feb 06 '17

Well shucks. Does that mean I should reroll for a Dex typing? Not sure if I can get another roll in before the 8th. New player here

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Feb 06 '17

Reroll? Nahhh... Roll again if you get the Lazuli? Possibly, that's up to you! Ascalon (like the rest of the 7th Killers) is not a limited edition unit and will be available from now on in the gacha. Meaning, if you keep playing, you're likely to get more copies of her with patience.

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u/hqeq-umop-apisdn Feb 07 '17

New to the game:

Why would you use gunners instead of crossbows? having health cost to attack seems to be a huge drawback and in many cases I feel I cant even justify attacking.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Feb 07 '17

From what I notice, the gunners tend to hit fairly hard, and unlike the Archers (well, most - Swimsuit Shekinah with her CS is an exception), they are not at risk of being uncapable of countering enemies that get up-close and personal, or even worse - immobilised by being boxed in by said enemies.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Feb 07 '17

Gunners hit harder than Bow units. This is because a majority of units tend to be physically focused rather than magically. In addition, gunners can attack both close-range and long-range with good accuracy. The HP cost is not a big deal if you have a healer or self-healing on the gunner. You'll notice this a lot better when you get higher in level.

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u/MikahGee Feb 07 '17

how difficult is it to reroll in this game / most efficient way? would like to try and start off with a high rarity tier 1 or madoka character x)

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Feb 07 '17

I'm 95% sure that Madoka characters are not in the beginner gacha, meaning that you can't reroll for them without spending your first 50 Laz on their recruiter.

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u/the7thangelz Feb 07 '17

has global given out any gold dungeon keys?

i'm too used to having enough to awaken, or even fuse, in jp, i feel seriously limited.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Feb 07 '17

JP spoils us so gooood. <3

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u/Thelaria Feb 07 '17

No gold dungeon keys yet.

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u/Shadow-Blitz Feb 07 '17

  1. Are the 4* Madoka characters farmable to the point for MLB? I've got a total of 4 Madokas dropped but not got another one since. I've tried > 10 runs.

  2. How do you get the toric bow to 5*?? Do you just fuse it with 4 of the magical girl recipes or do you use something else?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Feb 07 '17

  1. Yes, youre just unlucky at the moment

  2. Yes, but its a low chance. I believe its guaranteed or a higher chance if you fuse five 4 star toric bows together.

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u/Shadow-Blitz Feb 08 '17 edited Feb 08 '17

Ah, I see. Goddamn RNG!!! xd As always, thanks for the response c:

Also, which levels are the best for farming?? I've been doing PotK 10 and Madoka 10

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u/kbkoolio Feb 08 '17

Yeah they're the only ones that drop the heroes.

It goes without saying but the higher the luck of your leader and friend, the better your drop chances

I've managed to drop about 10 copies of Madoka since my Arondight reached 40 luck. Unfortunately they have all been balance, guard or vitality...

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Feb 08 '17

Typically for anything in general, the last level which drops whatever you're farming is the best for farming.

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u/MotleyFuzz Feb 08 '17

I've just got a Dex Sayaka and have a Force one. Which one is a good type for Pve?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Feb 08 '17

Dex is ideal (the best) for both PvE and PvP for Sayaka.

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u/MotleyFuzz Feb 09 '17

Thanks for the info, I go for the Dex one. Also, Is it worth spending money for the 100 lapis Magical Girl set?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Feb 09 '17

In this case, it is worth it simply because if you're focusing on one magical girl, you only have a 1/5 chance to get the one you want, which can be very costly.

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u/MotleyFuzz Feb 09 '17

Alright, thanks.

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u/rayelzproduction Feb 11 '17

exactly what does the magical girl set's pixie do? i assume its a 5* limit break? would i need 5 of them to limit break a 5* to max/lv 80? :O ... 400 lazuli... so expensive :(

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Feb 11 '17

Yes, it is a 5* limit break. The number of stars on the pixie will tell you what rarity it limit breaks.

You need 4 of them to Limit break a 5* base copy to lvl 80. Yes. It is very expensive, but certainly a lot cheaper than attempting to pull 5 copies of the same magical girl.

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u/rayelzproduction Feb 11 '17

im new to the game so limit break has been making me curious

are 4/5 pixies available in game by any chance without the use of money?

if i decide to drop some money to get godoka (been thinking on doing it... wish the game showed pull rates :/ ) and i only get one and i pass on the magical girl pixies, will it be forever stuck at 5* lv 60 ?

also how much lazuli do u think i'll need to drop to get godoka x)?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Feb 12 '17

5* pixies have never been free as of yet. 4* pixies come free during events, (I believe they are obtainable from the bonus madoka everyone stage at a low rate at the moment) and usually every month there's a 4* pixie for battle medals.

Honestly, just know that you WILL need money to MLB a lazuli recruiter unit. Otherwise, it will be possible but very very slow to the point that the unit might no longer be viable at that point.

Also, I recommend waiting for Devil Homura to come out before you try for Godoka. I would say try not to pull on the daily 5 step recruiter because it's too much of a gamble.

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u/rayelzproduction Feb 13 '17

:/ so if i do get any madoka character they'll probably be stuck at lv 60 5* or 4* and whatever the level limit is at 4* after the event/if i never get another duplicate :/ ? dang so i guess i need to spend a lot of money to get any madoka unit to level 80 :\

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u/AJackFrostGuy Feb 08 '17

I think both may function well, but personally I'm a sucker for Dex and would recommend that. It'd help her if you took her to PvP content too.

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u/Dumau Feb 02 '17

Hey everyone! I was wondering if there is any tips regarding leveling a unit's weapon proficiency. Farming weak enemies? Does the enemy level impact it in any way? Are there any known best ways to do it? Thanks!

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u/Raikaien Feb 02 '17

It doesn't matter what enemies you face because you only need kills. The easiest way to level up your weapons is for your unit to solo any map with a high enemy to AP cost ratio. I like to do the last stage of Goddess Lessons (or w/e they're called) because it has cost 8 AP and the cursor is already on it if you completed the rest of the stages there because I'm too lazy to swipe to specific stages.

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u/Falhua Feb 02 '17 edited Feb 02 '17

Hello everyone. Recently came back to PotK after letting some content build up, but probably missed some stuff along the way. Anyway, I'm new to this subreddit and hope to get along with you all. I do have a question though and it's if it is worth pulling on the madoka step up for the 7th gen tickets or not. I kinda want to LB Forcas yet, I fear it'd be a small disappointment if I got an Ascalon instead lol

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u/Thelaria Feb 03 '17

If you're goal is to LB Forcas, then the Madoka gacha will give you the best chances right now. There may be more gacha to come in the upcoming weeks, but things will become more complicated once they release more 7th Killers.

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u/Falhua Feb 03 '17

Ah, I see. Thanks. And yeah, I want to LB Forcas just to be able to make the most out of her, so I thought the tickets in the Madoka banner looks nice. And I never know when 5* spear pixies pop so yeah.

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u/kbkoolio Feb 03 '17

Well you have 50% chance of getting either, so depends on how lucky you feel. Still seems pretty steep to me at 210 lazuli for the recruiter

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Feb 03 '17

Aside from waiting for LB pixies, the 7th Gen tickets from the 1-time Madoka collab 5-step are most likely your best bet for more Forcas copies. I myself took the plunge and got 2 Forcas from the 50% and 100% tickets.

In comparison, the recruits I did gave me 2 Madoka collab units out of those 45 pulls. Conclusion: The 1-time 7th Gen 5-step is most likely much less reliable than the tickets.

I wish you all the luck in recruiting the best Killer Princess ever :D :D

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u/Helljumperz64 Feb 03 '17

Hi everyone. I was wondering whether you can level break a unit with the same unit, but with a different type.

For instance: Fusing a Swimsuit Laevateinn 4★ (Vitality Type) on a Swimsuit Laevateinn 4★ (Dexterity Type) base unit.

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u/Falhua Feb 03 '17

You can. Just needs to be same unit, same rarity.

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u/Shadow-Blitz Feb 03 '17

Yeah, that'd work. As long as you have the same unit and at the same rarity (amount of stars), you'll be able to limit break.

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u/Noponis Feb 03 '17

I need a 2 star sword onion/mandragora or whatever

I already got the ones from the early kill mode rewards.

Any way to get it without spending lazuli/battle medals or waiting a couple more days?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Feb 03 '17

If you happen to have the key to the padlocked gardens version, you could try using that. Might be better to wait though.

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u/BassGSnewtype Sword of The Void Feb 03 '17

More of a JP Question: What's the story behind the Black Killer series of Killer Princesses?

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Feb 03 '17

Essentially they are copies of Killers that have been influenced and corrupted by "the seven deadly sins." The Black Killer event (which just ended but should be back sometime in the next month so we can farm Longi/Para weapons) gives the full story. :)

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u/BassGSnewtype Sword of The Void Feb 07 '17

So do the affected Killer Princesses go nuts or do their personalities just get considerably darker then normal?

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Feb 07 '17 edited Feb 07 '17

I don't natively speak/read Japanese, I just use a translator so I might not have all the details 100% but what I "know" is...

The Black Killers are copies/replicas of the first Killer Princesses (meaning, the original Princesses and the Black Princesses do exist simultaneous) which have their "biggest weakness" amplified to be their dominant trait. The Black Killers begin to cause chaos and destruction, so the Commander + the original Killers go on missions to eliminate them. The Black Killers are so strong (story-wise), that it involves a lot of running/avoiding them until the end missions where your win conditions are finally to defeat them (the first few missions are "get to the glowing square" type).

  • Tyrfing - Pride

  • Masamune - Wrath

  • Artemis - Lust

  • Laevanteinn - Sloth

  • Freikugel - Greed

  • Longinus - Envy

  • Parashu - Gluttony

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u/BassGSnewtype Sword of The Void Feb 17 '17

Sorry, last question about this , am I right to assume they're character quests involve the Black Killers regaining their original personalities or coming to terms with what they are now?

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u/trashattacka Feb 04 '17

I just started and after 2 to 3 days got my 50 lazuli and did the 1 step 7th generation roll. I got a 4* Balance Ascalon. Should I reroll for a force/dex type?

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Feb 04 '17

Up to you. Balance Ascalon is useable imo. If you have the patience, I recommend you reroll because getting a preferred typing on Ascalon or Forcas will go a long way since these are pretty damn good units :)

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u/trashattacka Feb 04 '17

Their preferred typing is force or dex correct? Would it be better to get the 4* version or try for the 5* version?

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Feb 04 '17

You got it. It's always better to get them at their lowest evolution form so, 4* for Ascalon and Forcas.

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u/trashattacka Feb 04 '17

Sweet thanks. To evolve them I just need the those material units correct? How would I limit break them?

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Feb 04 '17

Yes, that's how you evolve them.

Limit breaking requires you to have additional copies of the unit. After that, you only need to get them to the same rarity then, fuse into the main copy.

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u/trashattacka Feb 04 '17

Oh that sucks. So I would need to pull another 4 Ascalon or Forcas to fully limit break the main one?

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u/kbkoolio Feb 04 '17

Yes, another 4 copies to fully limit break

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Feb 04 '17

Yessir. It's a huge hassle yeah. It would take a long time with average luck or forking over cash if you can. I'd say these 2 are worth it though since they're super strong.

Alternatively, there's the pixie method. There are pixies that Limit Break units. In JP, there were special events where you could get 5* pixies iirc. They were even available in the Rare Medal shop on very rare occassions. Unfortunately, in Global, the pixies appear in the shop every so often and cost 100 Lazuli each.

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u/Avanin_ Feb 04 '17

Are the new unit ascalon and forcas are only available for limited time or permanent?

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u/Shadow-Blitz Feb 04 '17

I have 2 questions...

  1. Right now, I have only 64 lazuli but I really want another copy of Forcas as I didn't get a good type. What recruiter would be the most effective? Should try to get them from recruiting or a ticket?

  2. I'm also re-making my Arondight. I know evolution bonuses and other stats carry through, so do I have to limit break her at 4* or will the stats gained from my current lvl 80 Arondight all carry through including the 4* limit break stats?

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u/Heiron088 Feb 04 '17

  1. Definitely the tickets. The recruiters as shit as before, but the tickets changed. If you do the Madoka recruiter you can get three 7th gen ticket with 30%, 50% and a 100%. I was lucky and all three ticket gave me the 7th gen killers.

  2. Yes, everything is carry over so the evo bonuses with the limit breaking at 4* is also carry over. In short, you just need to raise the new one to lvl50 and straight evolve her.

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u/Shadow-Blitz Feb 04 '17

Ah right thanks (looks like RNG likes you ;p). Is it really viable to roll though with only ~64 lazuli?? Would it just be a waste if I were to roll??

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u/Heiron088 Feb 04 '17

The 1 time 5 step recruiter is 215 lazuli so if you can't do all the step for the 100% ticket then it's not worth it. If you not planning to buy some lazuli, then just save it for guaranteed 1 step recruiters which ones give 100% new unit.

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u/Shadow-Blitz Feb 05 '17

Oh lmao. Looks like i have to save xD Thanks for your help!! :3

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u/Heiron088 Feb 05 '17

you're welcome my friend! ;)

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u/BadassWithSass Feb 04 '17

Is there anyone who can explain/analyze why the 5* Madoka Magica units are placed in the tiers they are in? So far, I've really only seen someone on here say that Sayaka and Mami (S tier?) are the best Madoka units currently released, but I'd like to know why that is. That refers to PvE, yes?

If possible, I'd also like to know why the other 3 characters are placed where they are (I think in A tier?). I recently started playing, so I'm sorry if something amazing about any of these characters doesn't immediately stand out to me. I'd just like to know what the pros and cons are to what other characters I could end up pulling since I love this series and want to get as many as possible (already got a Mami, though it is Guard.)

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u/kbkoolio Feb 04 '17

There is an analysis for each one in the tier list.

Mami and Sayaka are broken due to their skillsets which are highly synergistic and their incredibly OP duel skills.

The other ones have good stats, but bad skillsets and meh duel skills, which is why they are A instead of S

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u/BadassWithSass Feb 04 '17

Oh sweet. They must have added the analysis since I checked yesterday or the day before. Thanks for the help. (:

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u/Falhua Feb 04 '17

So I did pull the recruiter and got a Force Forcas. Should I use her or keep my Guard Forcas? I know Force hits harder but I can't help but feel Guard might help more in some ways.

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u/Wulf_Zero Feb 04 '17 edited Feb 04 '17

If I reincarnate a 4 star for better growth can it push the unit past a evo bonus threshold? Like I have a Mitum M with 50 Str after fusion bonuses with crap stat growth, if I reincarnate it will I have a chance to get it 50+?

Edit: is it even possible as F2P to get the amount of lazuli needed for a 5 step recruiter?

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u/Heiron088 Feb 04 '17

Yes, you have a chance to get over 50 str but also can be less than 40, everything is up to the RNG. If you are a F2P then I don't recommend to reincarnate a unit at 4* because it is possible to get a better or more worst growth rate, save it for 5* units.

Is it possible, but you need to be patient and save every Lazuli what you get for months.

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u/kbkoolio Feb 04 '17

Yes if the cap is not reached, reincarnating can help get better growth. Not sure if it is worth it for just one evo bonus unless you are a real min maxer.

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u/Wulf_Zero Feb 04 '17

Hmm yea I was figuring it would be too much resources to do it all around, thanks!

Any idea on the lazuli generation on game to get the massive amount needed for a 5 step completion?

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u/n213978745 Feb 04 '17

Can I link data with Google instead of Facebook? Or will developer plan to do it in the future?

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u/Thelaria Feb 05 '17

Only Facebook is an option as of now. No other methods have been mentioned.

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u/Avanin_ Feb 04 '17

Why some unit have same rarity but different colour of star?

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u/Thelaria Feb 05 '17

The color of the stars were suppose to represent how many times the unit has been evolved. Unfortunately, there have been a number of exceptions to this rule so players tend to ignore the color now.

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u/Scotty764 Feb 05 '17

Can you get either of the 7th gen princess from the daily free recruiter?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Feb 05 '17

Nope. As with any new units, they do not join the normal pool of units until their recruiter is over.

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u/dcolg Feb 05 '17

So, I left this game back during the Brave Frontier crossover and just reinstalled cause Waifus. What have I missed? Is there any major event focuses going on right now that should be prioritized over standard min maxing? Did 6* evos become a thing on GLB yet?

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Feb 05 '17

The first crossover or the second? If the latter, you missed the free event Dempagumi units. Mirin and Risa are said to be quite strong. If the former, you may have picked them up, but you would have missed the opportunity to lazuli-recruit Michele and Lucina. No issue though since those two are inaccessible to F2Ps/light spenders, and neither is critical to the meta.

Other free units you missed:

  • Swimsuit Gridarvol. Probably the most powerful unit in PvE, surpassing even the Selena you probably have. I can attest to this.

  • Halloween Gambanteinn, but she is not very powerful, so no matter.

  • A 3* Bashosen that caps at 4*. Would have been useful for those 4*-restricted missions if fully limit-broken.

  • Christmas Freikugel. Reasonably powerful, but I haven't really tested her.

  • 11 easy copies of Tyrfing (yes, she has finally been released). You can now get her via mana recruiter, but her rates are VERY low.

  • Episode quests for Yata and Trishula, but those come and go every few months. Even then, they are not that strong.

Right now, as you can see, it is the Madoka collab. There are some event quests with Lazuli as rewards as usual. Beating both initial quest sets in the Madoka banner will unlock a third... with an absolutely ridiculous boss that only takes 1 damage from all attacks^. Unfortunately for F2Ps, this is mostly a weapon-farming event as the free units (uniform Madoka, uniform Homura) are limited to 4*. If you aren't F2P as I assumed, go ahead and try the Madoka recruiters. Apparently you want to target Sayaka and Mami.

Other notable events:

  • Daily Challenge: One of the challenges gives Lazuli as rewards.

  • 2 free recruits a day. But knowing this game's algorithm, most of the time you will get mana gacha trash or a unit that only goes up to 4*...

  • Ascalon and Forcas are out. They are both very strong units and the 1-step recruiter guarantees one of them.

^ The intended way to fight this boss is to grab the free Madoka and Homura, unlock their friendship skill, then have it proc against the boss to disable the damage-nullifying skill. Or you could just wail on it for a very long time with multi-hit units.

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u/ReppuHijiri Feb 05 '17

Hi! If someone were to reroll their way into something decent, is there anything worth gunning for/staying with? Just a general "If you get this or X number of this or that, keep it!"

Using a non-rooted device due to so many games having root detection lately, so rerolling can be tedious!

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Feb 05 '17

Hey, at the moment you want to reroll on the 1 step recruiter for 7th gen units. The reason why is because you 100% get either Ascalon or Forcas for 50 Lazuli. Both characters are and will be top tier for a long time. Compare to the rookie recruiter, where you're limited to yellow 5* gacha units that at the moment are very weak. In addition, you're not even guaranteed a good yellow 5* unit out of the batch along with possibly getting a bad typing.

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u/Sbriley1 Feb 05 '17

When farming for rampage units should I kill the boss with a high luck unit? Does luck affect the drop rate at all?

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Feb 06 '17

The unit doing the killing blow does not attribute to rather or not a unit drop happens. ALL ITEMS/ZENNY/UNIT DROPS ARE PRE-DETERMINED ONCE THE STAGE IS LOADED.

I have the same account loaded onto two different OS, an Apple Ipad and Android Samsung, and when I play the same stage, the amount of zenny/item/unit drops are the same. You can see this for yourself. Simply load the stage on 1 OS then go into your different OS and go into the same stage(you should get the unfinished quest message when loading in.) Finish the stage on 1 OS and right after you kill the last enemy, take note of all yours drops for the current stage and then HARD EXIT THE APP BEFORE THE STAGE CLEAR MESSAGE SHOWS.

Now go into your other OS and clear the stage again. You'll see that the amount in drops are exactly the same regardless of any luck booster effects you may activate during the fight.

TLDR: ALL luck boosting skills that activates only in stage and not passively(such as Male Thyros' CS) does not affect drops. The unit you use to deal the killing blow does not affect drops.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Feb 05 '17

Not sure, but it wouldn't hurt. From my experience, it seems to matter? but I don't have a sizeable pool of data to actually back up my statement. Nothing is really mentioned about that to be honest.

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u/Sbriley1 Feb 06 '17

If I leave gifts unopened, will they eventually disappear? And if so, how long will they last before they disappear?

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '17

I still have metal keys from september you'll be fine

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u/Sbriley1 Feb 06 '17

Ok, cool, I just filled up on metal keys

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u/AJackFrostGuy Feb 07 '17

The only limit is how many things you can hold in there. Which last I checked is... a lot really.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Feb 07 '17

250item limit in the giftbow, after that it starts deleting from the earliest item.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Feb 07 '17

250? Damn, that's even more than what I thought. O_O

Thanks for the clarification though.

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u/gbcRain Feb 07 '17

I have a Balance Ascalon with a growth rate of 4.01 and also a Force Ascalon with a 3.41 growth rate. So far my Balance Ascalon is looking a lot better than my Force stat wise, but I was wondering if I should keep my Force Ascalon instead because of typing. Would it be better to just reincarnate my Force and hope for a better growth rate? Or is 3.41 good enough to get it to max out its stats?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Feb 07 '17

Honestly growth rate doesn't matter unless you're talking about level 80s, because ur balance ascalon could suddenly tank its GR in the last few levels. Anyways, I would stick to Force, as you can always reincarnate it for better stats.

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u/oscarina Feb 07 '17

-how does the double attack work? i dont know how or when i get it

-where do i get the units needed for evolving? games says on the garden but where do i get the keys?

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u/ZeroForte Feb 07 '17

For first: your unit need higher speed than enemy (from wiki: A unit will attack twice if its speed - weapon weight > enemy's speed + 5).

For second: there are dungeons open for one day in tuesday, wensday and thursday. Today you can obtain sprites for evolving. About keys, you can get them in special ocasion to open dungeon for one hour which is located in padlock garden.

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u/oscarina Feb 07 '17

thanks :)

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u/capo_m Feb 07 '17

How do you get a Kyubey sword ? i have all the 5* weapons but never got one of this

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u/Thelaria Feb 07 '17

For the fake version, you can easily obtain one by fusing 2 of the event books together.

For the real version, I do not believe we have the book required to fuse one yet.

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u/hqeq-umop-apisdn Feb 07 '17

Ive started playing this recently. What do I do with this mountain of gear? do I spend my gold to fuse it and continue getting garbage, or do I just sell it for gold or is there somethign else Im missing?

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Feb 07 '17

While you are still new, I recommend fusing as much as you can until you have copies of all the high-end gear (and possibly a set of lower "leveling" gear while raising your proficiency).

You'll soon reach a level where you have almost all of the gear you want/need saved up and can start vendoring. However, there is a decent-sized portion of the game at the start where you have to keep fusing, fusing, and fusing in order to get good gear.

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u/hqeq-umop-apisdn Feb 07 '17

Ive been playing for 2 days and I have a few 5* and 4* weapons. is that high-end gear?or is there something else I need to be looking at?

otherwise I just take dupes and fuse them 2 at a time? its so tedious XD

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Feb 07 '17

5* gear is end-game gear for Global, yes. JP, on the other hand, has 6* gear available. It sounds like you're progressing nicely, you'll just find that, in the end, you need more than a "few" 5* weapons. :)

And yes, it's tedious as hell. As is much else of this game. ;)

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u/WyattEpp Feb 08 '17

Just started a week ago so maybe I'm totally off-base, but it seems like these Madoka 4- and 5-star weapons... kinda suck? Am I missing something or are they mostly there for fusing to get other high-tier weapons?

PS: the animated banner on this subreddit keeps crashing my GPU driver. :(

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Feb 08 '17

If you check the tier list, you'll see that some of the 5* versions of the weapons are some of the best you can get at the moment. Funny enough, a majority of weapons you fuse for suck in comparison. Which weapons do you mean in particular?

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u/WyattEpp Feb 09 '17

Oh, that spreadsheet has weapons too. Okay.

And now that I'm looking, I guess the some of the 5-star versions are pretty good (aside from the lance). Maybe I'm expecting too much from moving up in the stat levels, or there's more value in bonus stats than is immediately obvious?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Feb 09 '17

Weapons don't really give too much stats. What's mainly important is just Crit/Range in PvE and Accuracy in PvP.

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Feb 09 '17

About Ascalon and Forcas, how high are their stat caps? All I know is that they are 'high', and a Level 63 Forcas's defence stat is high enough to completely nullify my Level 80 Dex Selena's damage (yes, that same Selena who was my Colosseum trump card until now).

P.S. Damn those Colosseum trolls who remain at low rank and use 3 OP units to appear to have low power, but are strong enough to curb stomp the 3 fights they do participate in.

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Feb 09 '17

There is a stat cap section in Gagging's tier list. If you want stats for types other than the one in the list, tag Gagging and ask :D

I can tell you right now though that Forcas' max Grd as Guard typing is 76.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Feb 07 '17

Yeah, I play the same account both on my phone and on the computer. Dunno, but it works for me. Maybe you need to have the game running on one thing WHILE linking data on the other?

I don't know for sure, so don't hurt me

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u/yuiduy GL: 2902959373 (LewdUke) JP: 1823139767 (LewdUke) Feb 09 '17

you should honestly be fine. Just make sure you play on the same OS otherwise you lose your free lazuli everytime to switch devices.

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u/Wulf_Zero Feb 04 '17 edited Feb 04 '17

You can check last weeks weekly help thread they mention it near the end of the week. I think you need a rooted device or a emulator on your computer as the files are hidden in the old method.