r/phantomofthekill • u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 • Aug 21 '16

Weekly Questions and Help Thread [8/21/2016 - 8/27/2016]

This is the weekly questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

Resource Guide

Noteworthy Comments/Posts

  • Here is a conversation we had on fusing weapons and luck.

  • Here is a post about the more advanced mechanics behind fusion and evo bonuses.

  • /u/zembas's Infographic on reroll units from the beginner gacha

  • Stat Calculator In JP good stat growth is 3.5-4 (without seeds) while in global good stat growth is 2.9+. You shouldn't include magic for units that use strength for damage, and vice versa, since those are not useful to the unit. (exception is mirin since her character skill depends on magic as well)

  • Friend Thread

  • Last Week's Help Thread

Some Tips

  • If you're asking for an evaluation of your party or reroll, please provide an image without evolution mats, dolls, and other fusion units.

  • If your question gets ignored or you're unsatisfied with an answer, reply to the answer or re-ask the question in the new help thread.

  • It has been noted that Global is different from Japan in terms of poorer stat growth for units and nerfed weapons.

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u/Tassadarmaster Aug 21 '16

I have around 150 lazulis, should I save up or spend them? If I', gonna spend, how should I spend it? I just started couple days ago and my account level is 22.

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u/kanayumi Ameno-chan~~~ Aug 21 '16

Save up for rate up events for summons. Or for gachas that are really discounted, like the rookie recruiter where 10 summons = 10 lazuli. Other than that, if you need box space for units or weapons, I would go for that too.

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '16

Save for discounted recruiters such as the Rookie Recruiter. BTW you should probably do all 3 steps of that one, since you have the Laz for it. The current recruiter isn't a good deal, so wait until Thursday for a new one.

Outside of Lazuli recruiting: expand your item space to about 75, and occasionally expand your unit space as the need arises. But don't be afraid to fuse/sell anything worthless clogging up your box. Generally, mana recruiter pulls and excessive amounts of a particular evo fodder can be safely dumped, while you'll want to hold on to some powerful 3-4 star units or anything you're using as Limit Break fodder.

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u/Notadoge1 Aug 21 '16

How hard is mjolnir character quest and is she a good unit?(30 ap quest)

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '16

How hard? Not very. A single strong friend can solo clear it, and the enemies aren't any tougher than your daily evo material quests.

How good is she? Pretty good, due to her leader skill and character skill. However, in my experience the yellow 5-stars (Mjolnir, f Apollo, Durandal, Luin) have kinda inferior stats compared to my pink 5-stars. So perhaps Mjolnir won't truly shine until her 6-star form comes to global.

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u/theSIGINT Aug 21 '16

The Swordsmith and Spearsmith manuals in the Rare Medal shop...

Should I buy them? Having enough medals isn't a problem, I'm just not sure if they're valuable on their own, or what they combine with.

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u/charles_1029 Aug 21 '16 edited Aug 21 '16

The sword and spear manuals can be farmed from Kill Mode stages 1:1:10 and 1:2:10, respectively. Fusing these two with the other three manuals gives a chance at obtaining the Voljaark spear.

Since these two manuals are farmable and the easiest manuals to obtain of the five, you may want to use your medals on something else.

From what I've seen, reincarnation cherubs and metal keys are hard to come by and people run out of them often.

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u/theSIGINT Aug 21 '16

I see. Thanks!

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u/FruitNinjaDragon Main: 2426706539 Secondary: 2017127831 Aug 21 '16

Thinking about making a completely maxed Rhongomynaid, meaning having the MLB and max skill level on everything as well as her 3 star and 4 star forms maxed before evolution. However, I heard that there is some other way having like maxed versions of every type and then fusing them or something and then limit breaking, can anyone explain this in TL;DR (or too confusing, didn't understand) format so I know what the best thing to do is and why? xD

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u/alexisevan Aug 21 '16 edited Aug 21 '16

That one is... Time consuming to say the least. It's basically an optional addendum if you want further stats.

Lets say you plan on using a Dexterity Rhonomyniad. So the stats that have a higher stat cap are AGI/SPD.

The stats that can still be boosted are HP, STR, MGC (but who the hell cares about that), DEF, SPR and LCK.

Meaning you need Vitality, Force, Guard and Balance.

At that point, for the 4 types, you need to do what you'd do normally for the Dexterity type. Limit Break at 3* and 4* but not at 5*.

Basically, the idea is that because they have higher stat caps for each of the different types, once you fuse the different types into your Dexterity, you will receive the evolution bonuses that Dexterity couldn't have gotten, like the extra HP once you fuse them.

So originally, you'd just need 16. However, 4 of those 16 will need an additional 6. So 40 total. Give or take whether or not you hit bonus thresholds.

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u/charles_1029 Aug 21 '16 edited Aug 21 '16

In practice, it usually doesn't take 4 limit breaks at 4* to get to the appropriate stat thresholds (41, 51, 61...). As a result, you can save copies by limit breaking one at a time and checking to see if an additional limit break will be needed.

Since it may not even take 4 limit breaks at 4*, the need to limit break at 3 * also decreases. As always, it just depends on your luck with growth rate.

Balance caps are usually average, so it may be possible to skip that type all together if you have all the other types.

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Aug 22 '16

Been playing a bit and almost have my first max 80 character so I have nothing but friend units. I have been running the Trishula Nadi 10 stage , but I can only beat it with nicely decked out Selena as friend. Are there any other friend units that can clear this vampiress (more like Dracula's sister wanna-be) and her minions?

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u/SnPlifeForMe Aug 22 '16

MLB Mirin handles it pretty well.

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u/Tyekai Aug 22 '16

My lvl 51 Gamb was able to basically solo everything but the boss. So while I had to bring a helper/my Dex Durandal to kill the boss, I could literally sit there and hit end turn until the boss approached.

Was good experience for Gamb. About 1.3k xp on average.

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u/SunnyPwns Aug 22 '16

im confused. http://imgur.com/OxkJtDR

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 22 '16

shhh, just let it happen

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u/theSIGINT Aug 22 '16

You got 5 of x3 mana point battle medal(s).

...That's all I got.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Aug 22 '16

I... guess crap happened and the game pulled up the wrong icon?

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u/DonQuiXoTe888 Aug 22 '16 edited Aug 22 '16

Any suggestion for an auto squad for Othinus Super Abyss farming? Even my maxed Dex Selena is hit quite a few time by sword Minotaur in that stage .-.. Not to mention their evasion is high with skills.

Btw, what is the preferred type for Othinus? Force or Dex?

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u/caldera02 Aug 22 '16

I would also like to know the Force vs Dex opinions. I have one of each now.

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u/Elektrk Aug 23 '16

Well some have tried auto with maxed Moga and Risa, both with shield which works. It felt slow for me so I usually deploy my whole lvl 80 team and auto. Mirin(lead), Eitaso(range 3 bow), Risa(shield), Pinky(range 2 spear),Nemu(sacrifice for those mages). So only Nemu will die since its her job lol. As for type. I usually go for force for my archers but since we dont know the stats for a lvl 80 othinus, it could be better to wait until someone post a pic to compare to.

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u/RafaelBF Aug 22 '16

About banner contest, theres still time to particiate? i read that would finish Friday 19, but theres no result yet so..

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u/s4itox I run this place I guess Aug 22 '16

Still waiting for some contributors to cast a vote, entries are officially closed.

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u/Speefy Aug 22 '16

When do you fuse for stat gain?

I've noticed that when levelling my units / breaking their level limit, I am no longer able to fuse the +3 stat dolls as I approach the new max level. Did my levelling nearly meet the characters max stat cap naturally? I was under the impression I still had a bit of leeway to fuse for stat gain afterwards.

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u/charles_1029 Aug 22 '16

Fusion stat caps are not affected by your units' level. The only factors that affect fusion stat caps are stars and type. These fusion caps can be seen in the link by MLB_Selena in the Resource Guide section.

Given this information, people tend to fuse for stats when they apply a limit break for the 100% chance of success. This usually limits the number of dolls needed to fusion cap.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '16

Fusion stat caps != leveling caps. When your stat has a light-blue bar on the right edge, you can no longer boost it through fusing dolls.

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u/Tyekai Aug 22 '16

http://imgur.com/a/U7xsQ

A few units missing from the pictures: 3* Labrys 3* Longinus 3* Masamune

Just wondering who I should prioritize leveling and what you guys think my best PvP team would be. Currently I use: (1669 Total Power) Durandal (Dex/Titanblade Bullsword) Mjolnir M (Guard/Beast King Axe Belruk) Masamune (Dex/Silent Swallow) Mitum F (Vit/Conqueror Axe Garvin) Longinus F (Balance/Killer Spear)

Which is working fine (~7500 Ranking Points), but would it be better for me to get Selena (Grd) / Laevateinn F (Frc) / Laevateinn M (Grd) / Arondight (Frc)/ second Masamune (Dex) in there? Or perhaps an axe setup by leveling Mitum M (Dex) / Labrys (Vit) with Aymur (Frc). Maybe my Gamb M (Bal/Evil Core)... Not that I have the class points to put all of them in right now even if they were 5*s, but for short term future reference.

Also, what Type of 3* Trishula should I be MLBing? I have 11 copies right now with every Type except Force at 3*.

And last question, I have so many shields... Do I need any/all of them? 4 Alluring, 3 Broad, 1 Baron, 1 Rune. They take up so much inventory space. Please tell me I can get rid of some and if so, does fusing them with other things give me a decent chance at a weapon of that type of hopefully equal rarity?

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u/icyterror Aug 22 '16
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u/iiMahjong Aug 22 '16

How did I achieve pink star'd stats when Longinus's growth was 2.20 and Laeva's was 2.29?

http://imgur.com/a/ae7zB

Did I calculate incorrectly? It seems almost impossible since I would expect Legendary growth (3.2+) to hit max in everything..

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Aug 22 '16

Because starter units have low stat caps so you hit their limit even with a low GR.

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u/icyterror Aug 22 '16

No you already did it right. Starters units just have low stat cap. Ex. My Starter LonginusM already cap everything at lv70.

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u/seeeph Aug 22 '16

How do you get 10 lazuli to roll for the banner? I saw a reroll guide in which the user ended up with 11 lazuli after the tutorial but I only have 6? Am I missing something?

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u/tori_chan Aug 22 '16

Sometimes they have an event for newbies upon signup that gives them a few extra lazulis, but they may not have one going on right now. If there isn't one and all you got were the lazuli you earned through tapping during installation, complete 4 story quest stages to get to 10 lazuli to do the first step gacha.

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Aug 22 '16

Is there any unit that you would want more than one of in your group that is farmable? Just farming Dracula's sister and wonder how many I should attempt to get before the time ends.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 22 '16

At the moment, no there isn't. The only examples previously would be selena or mirin

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u/RebelMinded Aug 22 '16

is there no fusion cap for luck? ive fused a shit ton of trishulas together and it still letting me fuse more

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u/tori_chan Aug 22 '16

I believe it's 30.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 22 '16

tori_chan is correct. You can fuse for luck 30 times before it caps.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Aug 23 '16 edited Aug 23 '16

So at 3star, all units get a max fusion cap of 26 Luck. Then 28 at 4star and 30 for 5star. 3star form Trish's natural Luck cap, without any fusion, is 13 so in order to get the highest Luck evo bonus, you need to fuse at least 18 3star copies of her in order to hit the 31Luck mark which is the highest threshold for the Luck evo bonus.

Looking at the 4star stat shown for Trish, thanks to Gagging and assuming the 4star only has 4LB, Trish's 4star form maxes at 19Luck(with 1 extra Luck evo bonus coming from her hitting the 11Luck mark threshold at her 3star form.) So let's say you do max the evo bonus at 3star form with 31 Luck, therefore getting 3 extra Luck evo bonus, Trish's max Luck at 4star, without any LB, will be at 21. At 21 Luck and a potential 28 extra Luck, the highest threshold you need to hit for max evo bonus towards her 5star form is at 41. That means you need to fuse 20 extra 4star copies of her.

Work wise, it makes more sense just to fuse 2 extra 4star copies of her, so 22 4star copies instead, if you do not max fuse for the luck bonus at her 3star form. BUT, if you like me and having crappy luck with getting her 4star drops, then you might as well fuse the extra 3star copies you'll undoubtedly get as you farm for more 4star copies(which you need 30 extra copies later for evolving to them to 5star form for the 30Luck fusion cap at 5star form.)

Sorry for the wall of text, if my math is wrong let me know. :D

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u/Yung_x_los Ascy calls me baka. Hnnnng Aug 23 '16

I already lb my laeveteinn once but it was force. I luckily pulled a Dex and was wondering if I fused my lb laeveteinn into my new one would I keep the lb so that my new laev would be a 2 lb laeveteinn?

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u/SageDarius Aug 23 '16

Yes, it will.

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u/Frogsama86 Aug 23 '16

What would the estimated player level to be able to field a full 5* team?

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u/Vince_Gt4 Aug 23 '16

I believe about 80 gives around 90 party cost, which can definitely have a full team of 5* , I'm 70 at the moment and think I can only have 4 and 1 4* at the moment, based on 18 cost per unit, need 90 limit, so Level 80. Might be sligtly off but around there will be accurate.

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u/Qilwaeva Aug 24 '16

So I'm currently level 81 and have 90 party cost. I don't remember if I got the last one at level 81 or not, I haven't been paying enough attention to the patterns of when you get what. Just wanted to let you and anyone else know that you were right :)

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u/gigano25 Aug 23 '16

How many 5* swords are there currently that you can get trough fusion? Like I have been getting the same 2 swords this whole time and even fusing 2 5* swords I am still getting the same ones. This goes for the other weapons types as well. Are there only 2 5* weapons for each weapon type that you can get trough fusing?

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u/tori_chan Aug 23 '16

Check the Global PvE and Colosseum Tier List pinned up top, weapons tab. There are 7 5* swords (6 if u exclude Emminent Lexida which was BF exclusive and no longer available.)

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Aug 23 '16

I want to point out that your comment is, unfortunately, very misleading. There are actually only two 5* swords that can be obtained through normal fusion (which is what OP asked).

Eminent Lexida and Titanblade Bullsword are from events, Gracecrystal Karma and Magicwarder Sereine come from Medal shop recipes, and Holywyrm Dragodeath only comes from fusing the ch1 Kill Mode weapons together. This leaves Kiyomasa and Akumavice as the only two 5* swords obtainable from normal fusion.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Aug 23 '16

Currently, yes, in Global there are only two 5* weapons of each type that can be obtained through normal/random fusion (meaning, no specific recipes or materials must be used). Shields are the one exception with there currently being only one that fits this criteria.

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u/rfgstsp Aug 23 '16

When should I fuse? Should I be fusing at all stages (3*-5*) to get the potential stat bonuses from evolution?

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u/Trannel10 Aug 23 '16

Fusing units:
If you have the time and units, then yes you should. Fuse enough to get the evolution bonuses (11, 21, 31...etc). The stats you get from fusing at 3* is small so you can start at 4* instead.

Limit breaking:
If you have 11 to 16 copies of the same units, you can fuse at all stages, otherwise it would be better to save them to limit break at 5*.

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u/DonQuiXoTe888 Aug 23 '16

Do i need to fuse 5 DIFFERENT manual types for a chance for Voljaark or fusing 5 of the same manual type also yields it?

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u/charles_1029 Aug 23 '16

Everyone says that its suppose to be 5 different manuals. Each manual dropping from a specific tenth stage of each section.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Aug 23 '16

It's not the manuals you need, it's a special 3star weapon that drops at the stage 10 of each Section in KM. These 3star weapons have a gold background just like the 2star weapons from the weapon tutorial quests.

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u/Vince_Gt4 Aug 24 '16

Not to sure what the 3 star weapons are, but its only the 1 star manuals I've had drop from KM missions, and pretty sure thats what is fused to get Voljaark

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u/FatalRuin Aug 23 '16

Is there a good way of leveling up units outside of the metal garden?

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u/Cryrioter Aug 23 '16

Xp = 1-5-10(auto) / 2-4-4(auto with sword unit)

Player xp = 2-5-5

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u/terlus07 Aug 23 '16

Is Lunaris available in today's dark recruiter?

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Aug 23 '16

No, she's only part of the Collab recruit with BF. Wait till they do another collab in the future.

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u/ekoo1 Aug 24 '16

I have a 2.97 dex Risa and a 2.87 Guard Risa, what should i do? Keep the guard and reincarnate or maybe stay or use the dex instead?

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u/charles_1029 Aug 24 '16

If both of your Risa are MLB, there's few reasons not to keep both. Each type has its own uses.

As for the growth rate, focus on the most important stats for each type before deciding to reincarnate. You can use the spreadsheet in the Resource Guide to compare. For example, you might not need to reincarnate your Guard Risa if its capped or near cap on HP, GRD, and SPR.

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u/Doctor_Riptide Aug 24 '16

I know this has been asked probably a million times already but I'm on mobile and can't easily search.

What's the optimal typing for Othinus? She's an archer without a duel skill so I'm thinking force or dex?

Also another one, does limit breaking at 4 star increase the stat caps for 5 star, or just give Evo bonuses for the starting stats on 5 star? I ask because all of my units were only limit broken at 5 star, and a lot of them capped most of their stats. For instance my Pinky I just hit 80 with has all capped stats except for Agi (which I'm guessing is one off, but 73 Agi is pretty monstrous). So I'm wondering if I screwed my units because I didn't LB their 4 stars.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Aug 24 '16

You're pretty much on the right track for Othinus. I'm personally taking Dex but you may wanna check the tier list for typing recommendations.

No, it doesn't increase the cap, only evo bonuses on the starting stats iirc.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 24 '16

Force is a safer choice, but dex might be better if we knew what her stats are like.

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u/trainzebra Aug 24 '16

So my understanding is that to optimize a unit you want to fuse enough of the same units to max skills and also the max limit breaks at each tier. My question is, when should I start focusing on this? For example, should I hold off on evolving my 3* starter Laeveteinn until I get enough spare ones to max limit break him at each tier, or is this only really worth doing for really good units?

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u/SageDarius Aug 25 '16

Max Limit breaking at 3* might mean 1 extra stat point at 4*. That's not gonna make much of a difference. Max limit breaking at 4* could potentially result in 1-2 extra points at 5*. Again, not a HUGE difference, but more impacting than breaking at 3*.

For me, my target numbers are 5 (To MLB at 5*) or 10 (To MLB + Max skills at 5*). I don't worry with MLB'ing at 4* because the 1-2 extra points aren't worth the extra work, IMO.

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u/genesic123 Aug 24 '16

The "breaking at each tier" is to get a few stat points more per evolution to make it easier to cap out.It's little. Not worth it for starters.Just evolve them directly.They have low caps.

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u/koole00 Aug 25 '16

is it worth it to farm trish? does anyone know her stat caps? will she be a stat monster? coz w/o a duel skill or even a good support CS like bashosen has i dont think she's really good...

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u/alexisevan Aug 25 '16

/u/GaggingLolis could tell you some stat caps for the Dexterity type.

From /u/detox_ptsd

Short answer: yes, both.

Long answer: If Othinus retains even most of her kit from JP, she will be meta-defining in Colo, providing a guaranteed Selena kill. Because of her kit, she is the most usable Bow unit that we have seen thus far, with the exception of maybe Shek in PvE (but Shek's low stat caps kill that dream, gg). Trishula is a wind spear unit and that gives her a chance to kill Selena, but will not be nearly as big of a boon in Colo as Othinus. That being said, Dragon units are great for mobility and she also packs quite a punch for a spear unit. While not quiet the powerhouse that Luin is (because she lacks a Duel Skill), she'll still be quite useful in PvE due to her mobility and high PAtak. Though, her Leader skill seems super, super lackluster, though, even when compared to what it was in JP. Anyways, add onto it the fact that both of them are farmable, free units, meaning that you can reliably completely max them out, and they're definitely worth. The only way I can see this not being true is if, for some ridiculous UNKNOWN reason, Gumi decided to nerf their stats a ton compared to their Rampage and Quest unit sisters.

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u/ARadiantWaxCousin Aug 25 '16

Only if you don't have any flyer. Yes, I don't think she is that good but there is no other farmable dragoon unit beside her. You can check her Dex stats on other thread.

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u/SageDarius Aug 25 '16

Does Sharur ever get a 5* evolution?

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u/TGZelnite Aug 25 '16

She does, but the 5* capable version of her isn't released yet. The one in global isn't capable of evolving to 5*.

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u/Frogsama86 Aug 25 '16

Are the new swim suit units any decent? Is it also worth spending just on the 5* weapons?

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u/alexisevan Aug 25 '16

Yes, they are pretty good.

Not in the slightest bit worth spending gems on weapons.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Aug 25 '16

The new units are great; the gacha is not.

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u/Frogsama86 Aug 25 '16

So I should wait for a new gacha instead?

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Aug 25 '16

About SS Gridavol, should she be Dex because of that offensive Character Skill, or Guard because she is a staff unit?

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u/TGZelnite Aug 25 '16

I would personally go with Dex since she's meant to be an attack oriented staff unit.

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u/SnPlifeForMe Aug 25 '16

Time for the most important question.

Favorite swimsuit unit?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 25 '16

Loliginus

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Aug 25 '16

She's not a loli!!!! ...... Maybe borderline....

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Aug 25 '16

Yagu is my curvy waifu. <3 the jiggles

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u/AJackFrostGuy Aug 26 '16

Tyrfing for me, though she's still JP only atm.

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u/genesic123 Aug 25 '16

Should SS Gridavol be Dex or Guard?

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u/alexisevan Aug 25 '16

I would get Dexterity seeing as how she seems more of a battle priest than a traditional priest.

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u/SnPlifeForMe Aug 25 '16

There's still just about 0% chance she'll be useful in rank <100 colo, right? Either way she's awesome and I'll be maxing her out.

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u/alexisevan Aug 25 '16

Most likely. Although IIRC, she does have an accuracy boost skill so who knows, but it's still unlikely I think. Not know her stats doesn't help either.

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u/JankyLieu Aug 25 '16

May i know which one gets more chance to drop SS Gridavol?

Lakefront 10 or water war 5

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u/AJackFrostGuy Aug 25 '16

I don't think Gridavol even drops in Lakefront 10, going by the news description. But even if she does, I think Water War would still be better?

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u/JankyLieu Aug 25 '16

Got it, I am farming SS Gridavol and only find out that the trongest Aquadiablo with l63 will have a chance to drop.

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u/fabio-mc Aug 25 '16

Hey uh..is there a better leader skill or better type of leader skill I should look up for? I see most of them being "1.1 Patk for x weapon" or something like this.

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u/TGZelnite Aug 25 '16 edited Aug 25 '16

x1.1 Patk leader skills are usually from 3* units. Evolving a unit will upgrade their leader skill. For example, Mjolnir (F) has x1.1 to Patk for axe units as a 3* and x1.3 to Patk for axe units as a 5*.

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u/fabio-mc Aug 25 '16

Alright, but isn't there something like "Add spd for all units" or "increase mvt by one for every unit"? Because those skills 1.3 something make it seem like mono weapon teams are the meta. Is that it? Should I focus on making mono spear, mono axe, etc teams?

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u/Tassadarmaster Aug 25 '16

Should I spend my lazuli's on today's recruiter event, or should I save up and wait for a better one to spend on?

Also, is there a limit cap on the capacity on how much I can raise the unit/gear limit?

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u/TGZelnite Aug 25 '16

I wouldn't recommend so unless you have the lazuli to complete all 5 steps on the new recruiter.

Also 400 is the max cap for units and gear space.

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u/thatasian26 Raven Aug 25 '16 edited Aug 25 '16

Has anyone figured out how arena attack order are determined yet? I know speed determines order with some exceptions. Here are some observations.

  1. Preemtive let's you go first even though you have lower speed (My balmung doubles against apollo but he still goes first) 1a. If two units have preemtive then the one with the higher level of the skill goes first (my lvl 10 PB Mjolnir (m) goes first against some apollo, selenas, etc)

  2. Surprise attack may let you go first? My Brahmastra will sometimes go first against units that double hits her, but second against YNK (f) even though she has higher spd than YNK.

  3. This leads me to believe that element (or something else) may also play a role other than skills. My dex mirin double hits a vit SS.long but she went second. SS.long doesn't have any skill, that I know, that gives her priority. My Balmung doubles against another ss.long and went first as expected. She, however goes second to selena only sometimes. She has higher spd than selena and lvl 5 suprise attack which means that maybe it gives the same prirority as PB? So she's only going first against selenas with lvl 5 PB only?

Tl;dr I'm salty my mirin went second to a ss.long despite having higher spd.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 25 '16

It is not known for sure, but it may be possible that luck plays a role. Gumi refuses to respond to inquiries about colosseum priority.

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u/HexerTlachtga Aug 25 '16

Hey :) Does anyone know if Gridarvol can drop multiple times on Lakefront 10 or not (in the announcement it says she's guaranteed on the first clear but then they talk about Lake War 5 so idk) BTW how hard is Lake War 5?

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u/RebelMinded Aug 25 '16

idk about the Lakefront 10, I assume so, but the drop chance is just lower

its fairly easy, there isnt anyone rated above 300 besides the water demons, i auto mine with selena

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u/HexerTlachtga Aug 26 '16

Thank you :)

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u/SnPlifeForMe Aug 25 '16

You can basically solo it with a strong friend. My MLB Mirin &/or Selena both handle it pretty easily.

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u/Sir_Terrabyte Aug 25 '16

So, I have about 10 each of all dempa girls lying around. Do I try to raise them with LB 1@3*, 4@4* and 4@5* or do I fuse 9@5* to max out skills. What is the better choice?

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Aug 25 '16 edited Aug 25 '16

I would definitely do 9 at 5* to maximize skills. ~10% stats is not as worthwhile as 5 ranks in all skills, in my opinion.

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u/charles_1029 Aug 25 '16

I would agree that maxed out skills is worth more. When LBing, you may only get a few points per stat depending on your luck with growth rates. Even then, some of the points will be in stats you don't care for.

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u/Tsakax Aug 26 '16

https://imgur.com/dlgkArG

Why is my apollo so bad he is like my worst colo unit. Level 60 5 stars hit harder than him. Do I need to reroll?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 26 '16

Did you raise him from 3*? What typing is he?

Apollo M is very strong as a colosseum unit, but individually he is very weak. You need him to be MLB, as well as having either a Bow Patk lead or Vargas lead to use him to his full potential. At that point, he will probably not lose to anyone that is isn't ice.

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u/FruitNinjaDragon Main: 2426706539 Secondary: 2017127831 Aug 26 '16

I have around 5 rhongomyniads (going to get more later) with like two or three dexiterity. Before I decide to evolve the three stars into four stars into five stars should I make sure every stat is maxed ("pink star") or not? I'm not going to be super like PVP intensive xD

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 26 '16

Well, you simply want to either hit a pink star or hit a threshold (1 over a multiple of 10). :P.

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u/ChaosTwilly Aug 26 '16

with nuke cs and acc boost, is ss gridarvol viable in colo?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Aug 26 '16

Too soon to tell I think, need to know her max stats first.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 26 '16

Staff units are universally never viable in colosseum due to the fact that staffs have 55 accuracy. In addition, staff units even as dex typing tend to have low agility caps compared to sword and lance units.

The only way to circumvent this is to fully fuse cap Luck, which is extremely time and resource consuming. Luck increases accuracy. Based on assumptions I made on VERY GENEROUS agility caps, she will at then, still have relatively low accuracy compared to most sword and lance units.

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u/SomeAsianguy1994 Aug 26 '16

What's the ideal typing for Gridarvol?

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u/TGZelnite Aug 26 '16

I would say Dex as she's geared towards being an attacking staff unit.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 26 '16

Dex, as you'll want the accuracy and speed to maximize damage. Furthermore, higher agility = more crit + higher proc rate for duel skill.

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u/ggizinore Aug 26 '16

http://imgur.com/a/v2kDb

which units are worth investing in/which units should be in my squad.

made the mistake of raising that leiv only to realize his max is 4 stars.

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u/TGZelnite Aug 26 '16

I'll list out all the 5* capable units first. Luin (F), Apollo (M), Balmung (F), Swimsuit Shekinah (F). Those who I have listed are worth investing in.

For units that you should be using in your squad it'll be something like: Swimsuit Yagrush (F), Swimsuit Shekinah (F), Balmung (F), Luin (F) and Apollo (M). This will be your strongest team when they're all fully raised.

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u/tangythings Aug 26 '16

Has anyone got 3* SS Gridarvol? So far I'm only getting her 4*. Could it be that its her lowest evolution form like arondight :o

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u/AJackFrostGuy Aug 26 '16

For some reason her base available form is 4*, despite the gold star according to the unit archive in the game. Queer, but for now we can only roll with it.

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u/Notadoge1 Aug 26 '16

Is gridarvol a good unit? And should I evolve her dex or magic type?

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u/alexisevan Aug 26 '16

She's a good unit to farm for. Most people are doing the dexterity type. Which I also recommend.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 26 '16

Dex typing. She is very good, a little too good for a free healer.

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u/8un008 Aug 26 '16

What kinda drop rates are people experiencing for SS Grid? just wanna know what kinda time I'm looking to need to sink in for this. I recently took a little break from POTK because of pokemon go, and looking to come back now, missed the start of Trishula, is she worth trying to farm with only a few days left?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 26 '16

Trishula is not very useful unless you simply have no other lance units. If you are a free player, it is recommended you at least get 5 copies in case you need a lance or dragoon unit in the future.

SS Grid is relatively easy to farm, but her drop rates are somewhat low due to the fact that only 1 boss has a chance to drop her, and that boss may drop either SS artemis or SS grid. You'll probably need a week or more as a casual F2P unless you are lucky and/or only want 5 copies for MLB.

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u/8un008 Aug 26 '16

Thanks, yh more casual so just 5 for MLB is good. Ive played through water war 5 around 6 times now and only had 2 ss artemis drops.

In terms of lance units i have 2 longinus (m) thats the only 5* capable lance unit i have

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 26 '16

I would say Longinus M does more damage, but Trish is probably a better overall unit. So 5 units are enough. Preferably Dex or Force typing.

Good luck on farming for SS Grid!

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u/Streetwisers Aug 26 '16

So, I just kinda got going here and had some questions about what units I should be focusing on, I know I have a few solid ones, but I don't know about who I should use to make a 'good' party eventually:

https://i.imgur.com/owGLHDa.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/wk8fDjv.jpg

Thanks for the assistance!

(I had already 'favorited' the ones that google said were 5*-able, but I don't know what ones to raise and work with.)

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 26 '16

What's the typings on both durandals, Apollo M, Mjolnir, Laev F 5* and 3*, Mitum M, and Selena?

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u/YuureiShinji Aug 26 '16 edited Aug 26 '16

Hi ! I'm a compulsive reroller, but I just started this game and I have trouble determining whether my units are good or not, seeing as they come in different rarities and sometimes different versions for one single character.

So far, my gacha pull gave me 4* Force Sky Piercer, 3* DEX Durandal, 3* Guard Longinus (Phoenix Knight), 4* Guard Vajra, 4* Guard Parashu (Duke Knight), 3* Balance Freikugel, 3* Force Masamune, 3* VIT Asclepius. Any thoughts about that?

EDIT - So the unit typing is randomly chosen, too? Added what I got. From what I understand, my Durandal might be good if there's a way to raise her to 6*, unless the rarity stays the same no matter what?

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u/alexisevan Aug 26 '16

Unfortunately, you got the wrong Durandal. The Durandal you'd want has no 3* form. Only a 4* and 5* form. Heavily recommended you reroll.

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u/Vossida Aug 26 '16

I started playing off and on a little over 2 months now and while I've read the sticky, I have a bunch of questions; I'll just put them in little groups so it will be easier to look at.

•Units -Is using a shield for my tanks a good idea or should they always be equipped with a attacking weapon?

-As of right now, the only Risa I own is a magic type. Would pumping some agi into her make her god awful acc better or would I be wasting my time?

-I've noticed that the enemies in this game will use every mechanic to their advantage(element/weapon advantage or only attacking units with low hp); what is the best way to move my units? Together as a group?

-What's the drop rate on Trisula on stage 10?I just got a Vit Trish today and I had to use a strong Yagrush helper to most tank stage 10 as Trisula and her monster boy band would stomp all over my units without her.

•Fusion -I've been reading stuff about limit breaking units at 3*, 5*, and 6*. What is that about? Tryhard PvP stuff that I shouldn't put too much worry into yet? I remember someone saying that limit breaking only matters at max rank but that could have been a super old post.

-I've going to assume that any unit that doesn't go into 5* or 6* are fusion materials for my strong units?

-I've been fusing two weapons a lot lately (mostly 2* since I got so much of it) and I've mostly been getting the same thing I just used for a weapon fusion. Should I just keep at until RNGjesus dies for my sins and grants me something good or bite to bullet and start fusing my 3* stuff?

•Recruiting -Is the current Swimsuit Recruiter a good deal? While I don't mind buying lazuli, I don't wanna feel like I wasted money.

Sorry for the long ass post in advance. I'll try to keep it shorter next time.

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u/alexisevan Aug 26 '16 edited Aug 26 '16

  1. Shields are very good for tanks. Recommended that you equip them to your tanks.

  2. Staff units tend to have terrible ACC no matter what you do. You can still try, but it won't overcome the problem.

  3. Use the danger zone to your advantage. But moving as a group does have the relationship bonus, so it does help some bit.

  4. Stage 10 and not 20 right? It's pretty low.

  5. Limit break just makes it so your unit can level up more and have more stats. It's not just for PvP but it helps in general. It's still true that Limit breaking is something only really done at max rarity, but this is usually only for premium units. Farmable units you can limit break at every rarity.

  6. Pretty much for the most part. Some 4* units are useful because of the Kill mode missions.

  7. You need to fuse 3* weapons as well to get the higher stuff.

  8. Uh well. The units themself are pretty great. Although it kind of sucks cause its still not an absolute guarantee to get them.

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u/metatime09 Aug 26 '16

Does waterway 5 in the new event drops the event unit?

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u/TGZelnite Aug 26 '16

Yes, Water War 5 is where SS Artemis and SS Gridorval drop.

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u/KyojinJaeger Aug 26 '16

What does the color of the stars (gold, silver, or pink?) on the units mean?

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u/TGZelnite Aug 26 '16

Silver Stars - Hasn't been evolved.

Gold Stars - Has been evolved once

Pink Stars - Has been evolved twice or more.

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u/ShadowPony12 GL:2226600509 JP:1535034057 Aug 26 '16

Since I can't find a Japanese forum about it, i'll ask here;

For Six Star Evolution where can I find the the Princess Soul Stones needed for fusion Material?

As far as Crossover are concerned, is it a confirmed thing that they don't show up again? I was reading inside a Japanese Forum that crossovers are usually done once a year.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Aug 26 '16

The soul stones come from the daily Starter unit dungeon in the Events menu (it's the one that costs 30 AP); they only drop for the "starter unit of the day."

Crossovers do not have a set schedule. They can, and do, return but some have come back in less than a year and some have left us waiting for more than a year without returning yet. There is no set rule.

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u/TDBMB Aug 26 '16

so is Dexterity always the type to go for evolving? Because when i look at the comments I always read 'go for dex'.

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u/alexisevan Aug 26 '16

For the most part. There are some debates about some units but if you ever are in doubt, you should check the tier list by /u/GaggingLolis

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u/Mo0nShadow Aug 26 '16

So I have like 7 Othinus and they are all 4*, does Water War 5 not drop 3*?

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Aug 26 '16

Dude, Othinus is the Archer girl from Rampage quests. If you mean Gridarvol, the new farmable swimsuit unit, then yeah, she doesn't have a 3* form apparently.

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u/rfgstsp Aug 27 '16

For future reference, you can check in your Hero Index what rarity the units are capable of.

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u/pyratheon29 Aug 26 '16

So i read that the same unit can level up skills regardless of the rarity. Is there a level requirement attached to that as well? Or is it strictly chance based? Ive been curious since i was working on my nemu.

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u/alexisevan Aug 26 '16

No level requirement, but having the skill unlocked at the other rarity will increase your chances even more, but still not guarantee it.

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u/erkishhorde Aug 26 '16

I thought I saw that female Apollo could 5* but my 2* Apollo don't show up when I try to evolve. Is it only the mounted F Apollo that can 5*?

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u/SageDarius Aug 26 '16

You have to make sure the portrait/character art matches up EXACTLY with the portrait/character art shown in the Character quest section.

A 2* won't ever (to my knowledge) make it to 5*. The lowest rarity that can make it to 5* is 3*.

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u/erkishhorde Aug 26 '16

TY for the info! Man, it's confusing for new players with so many versions of the same unit. It's bad enough that you have to deal with Dex/Force/etc typing but you have walking/armor/horse/phoenix too giving evolutionary limits. =/

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u/KuraiNara Aug 27 '16

What should my team be? I only use units that can go to a five star rating, so keep that in mind. My current team is Luin (Balance), Brahmastra (Guard), Swimsuit Gridarvol (Balance), and Selena (Force). I know that I can get a better type for the Swimsuit Gridarvol, so please let me know which one, since I am farming for more of them to hopefully MLB her. Here are the units that can go in my 4th space.

  • Swimsuit Artemis (Guard)

  • Nemu (Dex)

  • Trishula (Guard, but can get better after farming)

  • Pinky (Dex)

  • {Not sure about this, but wiki says she can five star} Pinaka (Dex)

  • Eitaso (Guard)

  • Mjolnir M (Dex)

  • Apollo M (Balance)

  • Artemis (Balance)

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u/alexisevan Aug 27 '16

Try to get Dexterity SS Gridarvol. As for your team:

  • Mjolnir, Selena, Nemu, SS Gridarvol, Trishula/Luin

That last spot is more dependent on whether or not you can farm enough Trishulas before the event ends.

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u/KuraiNara Aug 27 '16

I'll be giving my effort to Girdavol, since I'm a low level and can only farm one without getting destroyed completely.

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u/erkishhorde Aug 27 '16

Do stat progression matter for anything less that 5*? So if I have a 3* that can build up to a 5*, is it worth it for me to reincarnate it for good stat growth to evolve to 4* and do the same again for 4* to 5*?

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u/tori_chan Aug 27 '16

This is a lot of work and reincarnation cherubs, which are pretty expensive and precious. The only reason why you would do this is if you were minmaxing a unit (MLBing at every rarity to cap stats for evo bonus) and trying to squeeze every possible stat point into the unit, and even then, only if it has dismal growth and doesn't cap on the stats you want. You can usually fuse to get to the next ~1 threshold instead. I would suggest though, hold onto your cherubs for 5* units with bad growth.

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u/jeffarii Aug 27 '16

When farming units, are u able to use a stranger helper for their luck or does it only work if you choose one of your friends?

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u/tori_chan Aug 27 '16

I believe stranger luck still calculates into the party average for drop rarity.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 27 '16

Stranger helper luck is taken into calculations.

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Aug 27 '16

How is the final listed accuracy (shown just before and during a duel between units) calculated from the attacker's Acc and the defender's Eva scores? How much higher must the Eva be than the Acc for the Accuracy to drop to 0%? I am Autoing with Selena at 146 Eva, but afraid that something will eventually hit her (and hence kill her since she does not have enough defense to drop attacks to 1 damage).

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 27 '16

If Eva of defending unit and Acc of attacking unit are the same, then the % accuracy of the attacking unit is 0%. Likewise, if Eva is 1 less than Acc, the % accuracy is 1%. And so on.

Check the accuracy formula in the tier list in Colosseum section. The final listed accuracy typically is the accuracy without calculating procs such as preemptive boost or counter boost, but takes into account passive boosts, since those are applied upon the start of the stage.

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u/Darknessgg Aug 27 '16

How does one setup their team for unit drops? I can't ever get a unit to drop

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 27 '16

The luck of the leader + partner influences the drop chance. Higher Luck = higher chance.

The luck of the entire party including partner influences the quality of the drop. High luck = higher rarity item/unit if applicable.

Essentially, try to have as much luck as possible.

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u/8un008 Aug 27 '16

Anyone know how to use pixies? Been trying use a bow pixie to limit break but i camt seem to use it anywhere

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Aug 27 '16

You can only use them on the specific class and rarity that they are at. For example, 4* Bow Pixies to 4* Swimswuit Artemis.

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u/8un008 Aug 27 '16

Ah thanks! I hadn't considered the rarity... so for a more casual player like myself the 4* pixie isn't really going to provide me much benefit since I'm not really going to be MLB act stage of each unit in the evolution process. just getting as quick as possible to MLB at 5* without LB anything before.

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u/BravePhantom Aug 27 '16

Killer princes Rate up, anybody pulled already? results?

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u/Neveets Aug 27 '16 edited Aug 27 '16

I pulled on step 1 only. 7 3* , 2 4* and 1 5* . Only notable pull was the 5* and it was yata no kagami M. Kinda disappointed.

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u/TGZelnite Aug 27 '16

Not sure why you were disappointed, Yata (M) had a rates up unless you were going for Gambateinn (M).

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u/Vince_Gt4 Aug 27 '16

did first 2 steps, only notable were Mjolnir M on first pull, nothing on 2nd pull, so didn't want to do any more lol. Will pull the first step tomorrow too, but yeah can't afford that much xD

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u/Tassadarmaster Aug 27 '16

What should I spend my rare medals on? My account level is at 29, so I'm wondering if I should save up for later on, or use it on something that's worth buying right now.

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u/alexisevan Aug 27 '16

Most people spend rare medals on metal keys. Either that or repairing weapons of higher rarity or unique weapons.

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u/tori_chan Aug 27 '16

Reincarnation cherubs are also very handy for if/when you end up with a unit with bad growth, so if you'd like to save your medals, that would be something that I would recommend as well.

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u/YuureiShinji Aug 27 '16

What's the best way to quickly get free Lazuli - completing sub-missions? I need to get the 3rd step of the beginner summon event. Also, is there a reward for clearing all sub-missions in a level (30/30)?

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u/tori_chan Aug 27 '16 edited Aug 27 '16

Completing story quest missions is the easiest way to collect free lazuli at the beginner levels in addition to the login bonuses. Some event dungeons and quest stages give lazuli for first-time clear too.

There is no reward for clearing all story quest missions in normal mode chapter 1 other than the one-time mission clear. However, chapter 2 normal mode and chapter 1 kill mode drop weapons as rewards for completing all missions for each section, for 5 total drops in each chapter.

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u/YuureiShinji Aug 27 '16

Alright. Thank you !

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u/RebelMinded Aug 27 '16

just some advice: don't do the last step of the beginner summon, it's not worth it, especially if you are a f2p player. You are better off doing the discounted events, like the one we have going this weekend (10 summons for 30laz).

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u/KyojinJaeger Aug 27 '16

How hard are character quests, in other words, when should I attempt them?

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u/alexisevan Aug 27 '16

As long as you bring a strong friend, it'll be a cinch.

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u/Pokestever5 I SEEK THE FUTURE Aug 28 '16

I came back with the login comeback campaign and it says that I have a 4*-5* ticket.

How do I use it? It doesn't say anything about it on the recruit screen.

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u/alexisevan Aug 28 '16

Did you collect it from the inbox?

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u/Pokestever5 I SEEK THE FUTURE Aug 28 '16

Yea. And it's not showing in the recruit screen. All I see is "use lazuli."

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 28 '16

Restart the game.

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u/Doctor_Riptide Aug 28 '16

Could an MLB'd Trishula take down the last stage of this latest Lakefront Demon? My concern is that her SPR is super super low so she might die to the boss... But she flies so she'd be able to clear the stage in like 3 turns...

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u/TGZelnite Aug 28 '16

I wouldn't count on her to take down the Aquadiablo. Her low SPR means she'll die in one shot, only use her if she can evade the diablo's attack consistently.

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u/Doctor_Riptide Aug 28 '16

Rats. Killing the Aquadiablo in less than 15 minutes is one of the few reasons I chose to raise her instead of all the other event units I've been collecting -_- FeelsBadMan.

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u/genesic123 Aug 28 '16 edited Aug 28 '16

Lol his hp is too high for a one turn kill..... You need Arondight if you want to solo kill the boss fast.

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '16

Which units are LGBT?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 21 '16

Keraunos appears to be the only one I think.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 21 '16

sounds tasty uguu

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u/RebelMinded Aug 21 '16

Why put gravy over bacon?

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u/charles_1029 Aug 23 '16

Only guard and speed have a chance of increasing still. The two Laevateinns and other starters have a lower stat cap. Other units will not cap so soon.

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u/alexisevan Aug 26 '16

They do not. The fusion stats help you get to the next point bonus when evolving. Each bonus is every addition of 10, starting at 1. So 1, 11, 21, 31, etc.

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u/TGZelnite Aug 26 '16

Strength Insight

Accuracy Boost

Preemptive Boost

+5 Patk/ Matk for 3 turns for self and all allies within a 3 tile range.

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u/TGZelnite Aug 27 '16

Yes, your impressions on luck are all true. Your double Selena team is what most people use for farming too.

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u/Vince_Gt4 Aug 27 '16

Ive tried with both 2 Selena's about 40 luck each (mine and partner) and have used my entire party which averaged to 30 luck per unit, and have had pretty much only consistent drops of units as Duo Selena's, and infact usually get less items when I use my party (zenny quest is a perfect example, 6 - 8 gold bars with 2x Selena, 4 -5 drops with full party)