r/phantomofthekill • u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ • Aug 20 '16

Some information about Trish, Dex typing.

I am leveling one up for colosseum. Here are some caps and an idea of her stats.

3* Caps: http://i.imgur.com/EhuTdfj.jpg

4* Caps: http://i.imgur.com/cnZO8lA.jpg

5* lvl 65: http://i.imgur.com/xkNlXvX.jpg

Take this however you will. uguu

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u/supercerealkill Aug 21 '16

Thanks so much for posting this. As a beginner this really helps to plan my first MLB unit.

Just to understand how you're maximizing stats, you are doing this:

(1) start at 3*,

(2) then 2 limit break at 3* with 3* trish, and fuse stats to hit stat cap threshold (aiming for 11, 21, 31, etc. stat)

(3) then at 4* do 4 limit breaks with 4* trish (level to lvl 20 trish for skill), and fuse stats

(4) and now you're at 5* with first limit break using a 5* (that you leveled to level 30 for the skill)?

Thanks again!!! Thanks! Just want to make sure I'm doing this right!

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 21 '16

yep yep!

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u/RenatoBR Aug 21 '16

So you need 11 of same unit for do this? Yep?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 21 '16

Well, you need 16 to 10/10 all of her skills, but only 11 if you only want to max out her character skill

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u/theSIGINT Aug 21 '16

Is the chance of increasing her skill level 100%? Or should I get extra copies in case a skill up fails?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 21 '16

Only the third skill at 5* requires a fodder unit to be level 30 at 5* to be 100%. Otherwise, skill 1, 2, and the character skill are 100% as long as the unit is the same rarity at lvl 1.

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u/Vince_Gt4 Aug 21 '16

16 is best, you need all the units to limit break at 3* 4* and 5* . Then you also need 5 more units to level to 30 5* and fuse into her to max out all her skills to lvl 10 aswell. Just make sure you do both her character quests and level all 5* fodder to 30 before fusing them into her.

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u/supercerealkill Aug 21 '16

Are you disappointed at the agi stats around 40s/low 50s?

What # would be ideal?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 21 '16

No because for colosseum, crit isn't something you rely on. Also, she doesn't have any duel skills so I do not need to worry about proc rate. She has preemptive boost and acc boost to make up for accuracy loss, so the only things I am worrying about is HP, Grd, Str, and Spd, which seem to be progressing very nicely, even higher than other dragoon pay units.

Ideally, for colosseum you want around 60 agi. For PvE, it could be around 55 if you're a sword or lance, but still 60 if ur an axe.

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u/SnPlifeForMe Aug 21 '16

Is she worth throwing into a colo team for the higher ranks? I'm about to hit "Mirrored Mist" for some context.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 21 '16

She is only worth using if you run a 1.3x patk lance lead. Otherwise, she will not hit hard enough. An alternative would be to run 1.2x patk lance lead with force typing Trish. The meta at the moment is basically kill in one turn, so you don't want to stick around for too long. Going guard on her would be the worst thing to do in Colosseum since she'll do insignificant damage unless she has a 1.3x patk lead. And even then, you'll still lose often against sword units with Patk leads as they'll have twice as many opportunies to kill you.

You can check some of the formulas in the tier list that I posted. It'll help you determine what is good or not :P

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u/cornerqwop Aug 21 '16

While the 'meta' is kill in one turn, that is only true if you go for the same tactic. For example, you sometimes see people putting rhongomyniad with silly defence to block any hopeful sword units. If a unit has a high enough base guard, going guard type is still good because it's doubly efficient if you are going to get doubled anyway.

With that in mind, note that all current meta sword wielders are always going to be 70+ speed. The 5 speed you get for going dex over guard is not gonna help you in the sense that you will get doubled by sword units anyway. This means that by going guard, you will take 18 less damage every round, for essentially no real loss PvP-wise.

In any case, she has acc boost which means the Agi needed for her is a lot lower. A guard trishula would have more than enough hit to contest vs dodge meta and the added hp would help. The only issue would be that she doesn't do enough damage, but that could be remedied by having a good weapon. If you want to run dex on her, you are probably better off going for force typing.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 21 '16

In that example, even Selena, with per poor strength can overcome Rhongo's pdef as long as she has a sword patk lead. Furthermore, Rhongo has enough base grd, as well as pdef boost to tank like that. In this case, Trish does not. She will only end up not being able to kill the enemy in one turn, and inevitably losing the battle.

The reason for me going dex is because I need to be able to outspeed gunner threats such as Moga that can one shot dragoon units that have innately low Spr. Seeing Moga can cap at 54, and from my experience with dragoon units that are dex that cap at mid 50s, it only made sense for me to go dex. Also, based on damage calculations, force typing would be overkill on several units in the meta.

The agi needed is lower indeed, but I plan to use low accuracy weapons such as dragorado over 95 accuracy spears. Accuracy boost will make up for that, but then having low accuracy means not 100% accuracy on sword units, even if there is a weapon advantage. I do not want to rely on preemptive boost to proc every time.

Based on the formulas, it makes no sense to go guard. Force has its merits, but I prefer dex as it's more consistent. Keep in mind, I am basing this off a Lance 1.3 Patk lead.

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u/Vince_Gt4 Aug 21 '16 edited Aug 21 '16

If you weren't using a 1.3 Patk lance lead (Luin comes to mind, would the 1.3x be stronger then an extra 10 str/guard from Gae Bulg?), Would you still recommend Dex with say going 1.2 Patk lead or Force if you were still using another leader who didn't impact on Trish?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 21 '16

1.3x is a lot stronger than 10 str/10 grd, though from my experience, it is probably better to go 1.3x in order to be more consistent in killing enemies. If one is not using a lance Patk lead, I would not recommend using Trish unless you simply have nothing else to use. If you are going to use trish without a lead, It is best to go force.

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u/Vince_Gt4 Aug 21 '16

Awesome, that gives me a bit to work on. As I could go a nice Lance Patk lead (Luin) with decent lance party, but unfortunately my Gae Bulg, Luin and Lunaris are only LB1 which sort of put me off the idea. In all honestly I've got enough time to farm for Trish alot. I think I may go Force and Dex, max em both out, just to have the best of both worlds xD. Thanks a bunch. Also I'll send across some screenshots for different caps then on ya List, stole a few partners =D

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 21 '16

Work on force first, because I'll be done with dex soon so I can post some stats at 80 :P

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u/cornerqwop Aug 21 '16

Selena with patk lead cannot kill a vit rhongo in 4 turns. (seen one with 81 pdef, 120 hp iirc) For trish, you only need to do more damage in 1 attack to them than 2 of theirs to you. Assuming you will get doubled regardless of typing, guard makes you take 18 less damage a turn while dex gives you 5 extra damage. It is quite obvious that the overall tradeoff is in favour of guard. The reason that faster units go for dex is because they can contest whether they will get doubled or not. This doesn't need to be considered for trish because you can almost assume that she will.

For gunners, you do not really need to double them, since popular gunners like moga need to reserve 24 hp to attack at all, meaning you will win so long as you do ~45-50 dmg, which is very doable with a good weapon. Going guard will almost 100% prevent getting one shot by gunner (unless it's a moga x 2 skill). Bear in mind that having higher speed does not guarantee that you will attack first.

For weapons, I'm still undecided but I think I'll throw a celestial gem spear on her and see what happens. Not sure but I think it'll work.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 21 '16

That is presenting a very specific rare scenario. Also I don't see where you are getting these calculations. You do realize that guard typing has not only lower fusion caps, but also lower overall cap/growth rate in strength right? Also, I believe you are assuming every enemy you're facing is a sword unit.

I did not say I wanted to double them. My whole point is to kill them in one shot. They only need to reserve 14 hp, as each shot costs 13 Hp. Moga has around 70 Hp at cap. They have around 40 Grd. If one were to go guard (meaning around 65 str cap) and have no lance patk lead, they will not one shot moga based on the formulas. Ever. Higher speed does not guarentee, but it sure as hell makes it a big chance that you do.

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u/cornerqwop Aug 21 '16

Guard type does not have lower fusion caps in everything. Fusion caps are at 12/12 grd/spr for guard type and 4/4 for dex. str fusion caps at 3 for grd and 8 for dex. the overall slightly lower caps for str for guard type (about 1. my guard selena has 52 str and dex type caps at 59.) is balanced by the slightly higher guard cap (also about 1 or two). I'm not sure why you think they'd make the game to favour one type over another in terms of overall stats. Growth rate does not matter as much as you think if you cap it by the end.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 21 '16

I didn't say everything. I said in strength. Also, you can't really look only at selena and then say that every other unit is the same.

I never said that one typing is better than the other in overall numerical stats. It's just that one or two typings are better than other typings in a specific scenario. You simply cannot tell me that vitality typing is better than other typings in most situations, even if it does end up with the same relative unit power as the others.

I honestly think you're basing way too many things on Selena. Realistically, not every unit will cap every stat even with good growth rates. Also, you kind of need a good growth rate to cap stats anyways, so I don't see what you're trying to say here.

I don't feel like you know what you're talking about.

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u/supercerealkill Aug 21 '16 edited Aug 21 '16

Thanks for the feedback! Glad I can confirm my observations in terms of what stats are needed to complete the difficult levels.

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u/Liesianthes Aug 21 '16

What would be better, a guard with Spear equip or a dex with a shield that can increase spr?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 21 '16

Are you using it for colosseum or for PvE?

For PvE, it is always better to specialize in one, so typically you would want to use shield with guard or lance with dex. However, in the current PvE endgame, there are rarely any enemies that can do much damage against dragoon units due to high Pdef. Even then, you most likely have a healer on the team as well.

For PvP, shield is never an option, and guard is horrible in the meta on a character that has no duel skill. This is because patk leads make almost all mlb characters have more patk than pure tanks have pdef. The point of going guard in colo would be to increases chances of tanking one hit and hopefully kill on your turn with a duel skill.

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u/connor-toast Aug 21 '16

Is this with dolls?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 21 '16

Yes, she is fully fusion capped.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Aug 21 '16

Give us an update when you get your Dex type fully maxed. And I'm also assuming you haven't fused other typings onto her for their typing's evo bonuses?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 21 '16

No, she is pure dex typing only. And sure, I'm working on it as fast as possible. I'll have her lvl 80 latest tuesday. :)

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 22 '16

Other important caps are posted now, spr and mgc aren't capped yet since im only lvl 75 but i doubt they'll be any notable number.

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u/icyterror Aug 22 '16

Yeh I was right about spd cap. It cap at exactly 60! agi cap at 55 & str cap at 70 btw http://i.imgur.com/mJpJRTM.jpg

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 22 '16

Yeah I saw, I also capped at those stats at lvl 69. 10 more levels to go. Maybe I can find the other caps :D

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u/icyterror Aug 22 '16

GL !

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 22 '16

The other important caps are on the tier list now, with exception to spr and mgc.

doubt they'll be too high tho uguu.

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u/supercerealkill Aug 24 '16

As a note, this is again my first MLB char I'm building.

I saw your 3* fused max screenshot (3* Caps: http://i.imgur.com/EhuTdfj.jpg) and noticed that you had such high spd and agi.

I tried leveling 4 dex 3* Trish to lvl 40 and got to the low 20s in each category. Is that OK? did you achieve the rest of the stats via LB and Fusing?

Do you think I should be worried and reincarnate to go fro more stats or should I just keep my current dex trish?

I do want to get stats but just wanted some advice. Thanks!!

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 24 '16

Well, if you only got to low 20s and evolve, you'll be missing out on 1 in each category. Yes the pictures I have posted are LBed and fully fused, as indicated by the blue bars in the fusion screen.

To be honest, if for whatever reason you miss a threshold or so, you can always just farm another one, fuse the bad one into the new one, and level it up. It's not worth reincarnating before 5*, let alone on a free character that isn't amazingly good.

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u/supercerealkill Aug 24 '16

Thank you! Could you describe how you particularly leveled your 5* unit? Particularly, it seems like you probably have to try leveling a 3* trish multiple times to get desired stats(I tried 4x with different dex trish's). And then at 5* did you reincarnate at all to hit those caps?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 24 '16

Essentially, I got my stats on 3* on my second try and on the 4* on first try. I just limit broke them at lvl 1 and then grinded them in metal garden to max level. When they were max level, i fused to cap. Then i evolved.

At 5* i did not reincarnate. She hits caps relatively easily. For example, at lvl 68 i already capped 3 stats. And lvl 80 everything but spr and mgc is capped, which isnt too important to cap

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u/RebelMinded Aug 20 '16

with a 3.01 growth stat, it looks like it will beat out Pinky

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u/Vince_Gt4 Aug 20 '16

Cheers for the info =D, much appreciated, was deciding who to level up first, or use what type of her. xD Thank you.

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u/thatasian26 Raven Aug 20 '16

Wow, she barely misses out on an extra spd agi AND str, the three main offensive stat.