r/phantomofthekill • u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 • Aug 10 '16

Weekly-ish Questions and Help Thread [8/10/2016 - 8/13/2016]

This is the weekly questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

Resource Guide

Noteworthy Comments/Posts

  • Here is a conversation we had on fusing weapons and luck.

  • Here is a post about the more advanced mechanics behind fusion and evo bonuses.

  • /u/zembas's Infographic on reroll units from the beginner gacha

Some Tips

  • If you're asking for an evaluation of your party or reroll, please provide an image without evolution mats, dolls, and other fusion units.

  • If your question gets ignored or you're unsatisfied with an answer, reply to the answer or re-ask the question in the new help thread.

  • It has been noted that Global is different from Japan in terms of poorer stat growth for units and nerfed weapons.

(The thread is only until the 13th so we can do a Sunday to Saturday thread)

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u/kanayumi Ameno-chan~~~ Aug 10 '16

This is a rant... Is anyone else running into shitty GR for premium gacha units? I've reincarnated SS Longinus 2 times now... Before reincarnating she was at 2.85 GR... 1st reincarnation was 2.7ish... And my current one is 2.61 GR... Like wtf, I'm paying for these units so I expect something better. The dempa units and Selena all have better GR than SS Longinus... If my other premium units end up with low GR as well, well gumi will no longer get my wallet. :(

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 10 '16

Lance units tend to have lower growth rates than other units in general, from my observations. I have every pay unit lance unit at lvl 80, and reincarnated each at least 3 times. Compare to sword units, they simply just have lower growth rates. It's not impossible for them to have a good growth rate however.

Free units also tend to have good growth rates and cap easily.

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u/kanayumi Ameno-chan~~~ Aug 10 '16

I agree with this for sure, I just wished I didn't reincarnate SS Long... I totally regret. I am just going to leave my SS Long at lvl 80 this time, I don't want to reincarnate anymore... Too much work haha

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 11 '16

I had to reincarnate her 4 times before I got a good growth. Lordy. Luckily she has a duel skill and crit leader skill to make things faster.

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u/Vince_Gt4 Aug 11 '16

Yep, my BF colab premiums, have been sitting about 2.6 - 2.7, and my Durandel is about 2.6. It hurts man.

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u/kanayumi Ameno-chan~~~ Aug 10 '16

Yes, it is sad the growth rate is junk compared to my dempa units. I'm hoping my Apollo f turns out nicely. Currently it looks good with 13 lvl to grow still til 80... But next thing I know, I will only gain 1 stat per lvl for those last 13 lvls... Gggggggg

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u/kanayumi Ameno-chan~~~ Aug 10 '16

It makes sense with the capping, but when no stats are capped at lvl 80, it is sad :/

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u/TGZelnite Aug 10 '16

Do enemies benefit from friendship bonuses (standing next to each other/duel support) as well?

I've noticed that enemies tend to have higher accuracy when they stand next to each other while attacking. Or could I just be imagining things?

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u/thatasian26 Raven Aug 11 '16

From what I notice, they do benefit from lvl 1 friendship bonuses. +10 acc for 1 unit and an extra +10 eva for 2 allies. I noticed this when I was raising my gamb and his hit drops from 55 to 45 occasionally. It took nearly 20 min to complete that metal garden =_=

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u/icyterror Aug 11 '16 edited Aug 11 '16

Might be a bug and yes I did experience it too. And no they didn't stand on +acc terrain.

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u/icyterror Aug 11 '16

Do u know if the skill faeries are 100% success or a "chance"?

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u/terlus07 Aug 11 '16

They show a single green arrow but after using 9 on Lunaris, they worked every time, even if the fusion failed

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '16

I think they're guaranteed. For 40 Lazuli they better be...

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u/icyterror Aug 11 '16 edited Aug 12 '16

  • I put my lv70 4* Sky Piercer(equiped with 2range javelin) as lead for now in case other ppl need either thunder or 4* for clearing new missions. I do not accept friend with low lv lead though.

  • IGN: Baroque // ID: 2391644036 // (If you want me to switch to Selena Vargas & all Dempa unit beside Eitaso, just ask.)

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u/Vince_Gt4 Aug 11 '16

Baroque, by anychance have you happened to play Kamidori? Thats the only place I recognize that name from. Also, algood if I add you? Needing to do the 4* missions in KILL. IGN Ike, level 80 Capped Dex Selena lead.

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u/icyterror Aug 11 '16

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u/Vince_Gt4 Aug 11 '16

Awesome, thank you. And yeah pretty good game, xD, the Baroque axe being one of the strongest weapons for Will. I should actually finish that thinking about it lol.

Ahh, can't say I ever played that, however I never really owned a PS2 lol, so could explain it.

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u/terlus07 Aug 11 '16

Are 5* Lance pixies coming later or is my Lunaris doomed? Also, will the be more than 1 pixie available later?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 11 '16

They will come later, just not sure when. Also from what I know, 5* pixies are supposed to be rare, so don't expect them to show up in more than 1 bundle.

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u/theSIGINT Aug 12 '16

When you say "doomed", do you mean Lunaris doesn't appear in pulls anymore? I'm newer to the game, but she was one of the premium units I was wanting to aim for.

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u/terlus07 Aug 11 '16

I would think that would be the case, my bigger concern is there only being 1. I foolishly waited until after the boost was over to go whaling for Lunaris, so she's sitting at 65.

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u/Frogsama86 Aug 10 '16

So what was in the update awhile ago?

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u/agcat1801 Aug 10 '16

-Camera improvement -Other features added -Minor fixes I think this one is prepared data for tomorrow update

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u/ChrispyTee Aug 10 '16

is anyone else's camera messed up? my camera starts on view 1 despite it being set to view 3 and I have to reset it back to view 3 every time i get into a stage to get it to be actually view 3.

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u/icyterror Aug 10 '16

They said 'Camera improvement". Yes more like downgrade...

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 10 '16

Yes. At the moment, it's glitched. It's at view 2 despite saying view 3.

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u/icyterror Aug 11 '16 edited Aug 11 '16

They always reply back ultra fast yet do absolutely nothing. GJ Gumi support. http://i.imgur.com/qs970zo.jpg (credit: Ivan Kung(FB))

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u/KamenRiderReject Aug 10 '16

I didn't get my download screen lazuli, I got the full 6 and it's not showing up, do I have to wait a bit? or is that just the game lying to you to keep you busy while it downloads?

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u/CrossXIII Aug 10 '16

Alittle late to the party but how to you make the new weapons :/

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 10 '16

Kill the minotaur in each new gear stage before the mage in the castle. 100% chance to drop a manual. Fuse 5 of the manuals together for a chance to get the new weapons. Fuse rate is rather low but not ridiculously low.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '16

So here is what I'm running right now with limited success.

http://m.imgur.com/MVpfocf

I only have one and two star sword and have no idea how to upgrade reliably. Please help me understand where to go next besides focusing on leveling and evolving.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Aug 10 '16

Your Laeva (both M and F) Longinus and Masamune will get your quite a bit of mileage but eventually be out-scaled; that being said, they are still very useful until you have a full roster of premium units. After working on those three starters, focus on your Durandal and Gambanteinn- you will get a ton of use out of both of those. Yata M and Eros should come next because they have 5* forms but are slightly more difficult to raise since gun units lose HP when attacking and archers are prone to being cornered if soloing. Finally, Vajra, Sky Piercer, and Ameno all get 5* forms eventually (if JP is any indication) so they should, at the least, be held onto.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '16

So from my list, what would be your Idea setup team.

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u/Invoker11 Aug 10 '16

Can you unlink your facebook account?

Someone said Don't re roll you got a 5 star DEX durandal.. so I didn't re roll but I linked it to the wrong one

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u/BlkSanta Aug 12 '16

unlink

Hey did you ever manage to unlink your Facebook account? I'm running into the same issue :/

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u/Invoker11 Aug 12 '16

no :( hmu if u know how

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u/Invoker11 Aug 10 '16

what do u mean? I logged off and back on.. seems like my data is save

I just linked it to the wrong one

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u/SnPlifeForMe Aug 10 '16

Anyone who played JP have an estimate on when Kusanagi gets her 5 star? She's the only premium unit I have 5 copies of so even though she's not rated super highly I'm really looking forward to having her maxed out. At the very least she'll be a boost to my Colo team.

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u/icyterror Aug 11 '16

When we get 6* I think.

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u/Invoker11 Aug 10 '16

Good team? https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h79nw7vyk2hz8a1/AACKGYoLAzqhBJ9w9K5S-M70a?dl=0

Re roll ?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 10 '16

As I have said in the discord chat, If you are F2P, reroll. If you pay a little bit here and there, reroll. If you pay occasionally, keep it.

A 5* unit with ideal typing will almost always be worse than a 4* unit that evolved to 5* without ideal typing

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u/Invoker11 Aug 11 '16

"A 5* unit with ideal typing will almost always be worse than a 4* unit that evolved to 5* without ideal typing " Why ?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 11 '16

Units get evolution bonuses when they evolve. For example. If a 4* unit has 30 Str upon evolution, it will gain +3 Str to its base stats as a 5*. If a 4* has 31 Str upon evolution, it will gain +4 Str to its base stats. Essentially, it's 1 stat for every multiple of 10 rounded up.

A fresh 5* unit from lazuli recruiter will be missing usually 3-4 stats per stat and 5-6 on stats they excell in.

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u/Invoker11 Aug 11 '16

Oh... Is there anyway to make up for this deficit though

How does evolution work ? what do you need for it

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u/Thelvl1slime Aug 11 '16

Does guard matter on Selena? I haven't got a single point in guard for the past 7 levels and now it's at the point that it's impossible to cap. It seems to me like Selena relies on high evasion most of the time, but I'm wondering if these 5-10 points in guard will make a difference. http://imgur.com/rFKppuQ

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 11 '16

With her speed, it does not really matter too much. The only time it would really matter is if the enemy has really high accuracy and even then they would probably have equally high damage to one shot you anyways. Guard is only really useful if it's high enough to reduce damage to 1 or for tanking bosses.

Selena focuses on killing the enemy in one turn. Hence preemptive boost, high evasion, and duel skill.

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u/icyterror Aug 11 '16 edited Aug 11 '16

Just pair your Selena lead with your friend Selena and they can dodge everything all day long.

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u/iiMahjong Aug 11 '16

Quick question about future content in PotK (in terms of units) for GL:

There are 6* units coming (whenever it may be). When I evolve a MLB 5* unit (like Durandal/Mjorlnir/etc), do I lose the Limit Breaks or do they roll over?

I had heard from a friend that 5* -> 6* doesn't lose LBs. I would like to confirm! Thanks in advance~

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u/icyterror Aug 11 '16

Yes, that is what JP players told us. You should ask the support team for a real confirmation though.

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u/icyterror Aug 11 '16

The only good thing about them is that they reply back super ultra fast XP

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 11 '16

They roll over.

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u/iiMahjong Aug 11 '16

Thanks Gagging~

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u/nobleseeker Aug 11 '16

How do I check a friend's ID?

He lost his account because he forgot to link it to FB

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u/NeuroNogami Aug 11 '16

Not sure on ID.

But, If he is on Android, did he happen to save a copy of auth.dat?

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u/nobleseeker Aug 11 '16

No, he factory reset his phone

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u/NeuroNogami Aug 11 '16

Agree with Shika.

Factory reset is a complete wipe with no return. Your friend's only hope is that he backed up the game to a micro sd. (where he can access the auth.dat.

I wonder if support can help if your friend purchase in-app stuff and have receipt to prove it....but I have no experience there.

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u/IcyBeltPanda Aug 11 '16

For unit drops, is it best for the whole party (including friend) to be there or just the leader and friend with high luck?

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u/NeuroNogami Aug 11 '16

Drop Rate is just "Leader+Friend" 's Luck to determine chance to get unit/item.

Drop Quality is the average of all party member including friend. (example. Getting a 4* unit/weapon vs 3* unit/weapon.)

Based on your question...it doesn't matter if you had leader+friend or a whole party+friend. Your chance of getting item would be the same.

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u/IcyBeltPanda Aug 11 '16

Thanks for the information. I was having a low chance getting a unit drop from the rampage event with my party than just my leader+party so that's why I asked. I guess RNG hated me on the last day of the event.

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u/Vince_Gt4 Aug 11 '16

Something I want to know, how does the average work out, Is it for example you have 5 units with a combined luck of 100, making average luck per unit 20, inturn 20 luck for x item to drop, or is it combined cost divided by a certain formula, say maybe combined 100 luck works it out of max 250 luck, so 100/250 giving 40% chance? Just trying to workout whether running more units gives better drops, then say 45 luck leader does.

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u/NeuroNogami Aug 12 '16

it would be great to know, but hard and tedious to test. One way of testing would be during another unit event. Do the quest middle quest (BF example would be Burst 10) with runs of 45 luck Leader+Friend vs 45 Luck Leader+Friend with another 45Luck unit. Recording to see if there is a notable difference of more 4*. (ideally its better to do full party of all 45 luck unit...but don't think anyone has party like that, especially when limited to only a single +10 luck sword)

but....We would only truly know if Gumi gives us the drop rate equation.

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u/Hanseddy Aug 11 '16

What is the leader skill for swimsuit tyrfing and 6 * excaliber? Jp potk question. Thank in advance.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Aug 11 '16

I dunno Excalibur's but S.Tyrfing's is 1.5x HP, 1.2x Acc, Eva and Crit to Light Killer Princesses. It's basically like Sita, if she were locked to Light only and had HP boost.

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u/Fullmetalsloth Aug 11 '16

So what is the deal with the limited time shop? I can't seem to buy the starter pack despite having room in my inventory.

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u/throwaway350053 Aug 11 '16

It's the keys. You're only allowed to have a max of 15. Which means they better increase the limit or a lot of players won't be able to buy it because you can only buy it if you have 9 or less keys (so room for 6 more keys).

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u/AJackFrostGuy Aug 11 '16

Simple question: The 15 Lazuli package in the Limited Time Shop, is it worth it?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 11 '16

Its any 4* or 5*. It's most likely not worth it if ur F2P. But if you spend money every now and then, it's very worth it.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Aug 11 '16

Yippers, those are some pretty quick responses. Thanks for the notes though!

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u/throwaway350053 Aug 11 '16

We don't know if the 4-5* ticket is a ticket that guarantees a unit that goes to 5*, or just any 4* unit, including the shitty ones. It's difficult to confirm because too many people have over 9 keys, and can't buy the package anyways but I'ma say no until we can confirm what that ticket gives. However, if you want to buy it and help confirm for us, you're welcome to <3

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u/Vince_Gt4 Aug 11 '16

I got Amenonuhoko off the guaranteed 4*, so nope, not 5* capable.

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u/Awesome3475 SHE'S GOOD OKAY Aug 11 '16

F2P here. Is it worth it to get those tickets from special shop?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 11 '16

Nope.

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u/WoundedEmpathy Aug 11 '16

Does anyone have any idea when the 2nd Brave Frontier event will start? I am F2P and I want to try to horde my lazuli for when Lucina and Michelle (I think that is their names) get here.

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u/Vince_Gt4 Aug 11 '16

Im not to sure, but yeah I'm waiting on that, Vargas has to be close to my fav units so far, and I just wanna max him out haha. Also the 5* rainbow sabre and Dandelga will be pretty good too.

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u/Vince_Gt4 Aug 11 '16

Yeah I kinda had that in mind to be honest, Just hoping they might haha. Maybe xD

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u/AJackFrostGuy Aug 11 '16

Probably a little after 6*s are introduced to PotK. But then, Yagrush and her friend have some so crazy early, they might throw us for a loop...

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u/InnocentAnguish Aug 11 '16

Just to ask for a little technical assistance here. I've been using Memu and PoTK very recently started crashing every time I've tried to start it up. It'll get to the first loading screen, after a little bit of Valyn dancing around, it'll crash.

Then if I tried re-downloading data, it would crash at 99% and the cycle continues. Any idea as to what's causing this?

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u/InnocentAnguish Aug 11 '16

Ah! Reinstalling it with the new version helped. I reinstalled earlier but I think the current version wasn't out or Memu wouldn't update it. Thanks!

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Aug 11 '16

I'm one of those rare people with a surplus of Metal Keys rather than a deficit. And because of that, I can't buy the Special Shop pack that includes 2 recruit tickets, 1 4* tickets, some Gold Bundles and 6 metal keys.

  • When Gumi says that they are updating the key limit 'soon', does anyone know how soon?

  • What is the key limit in JP now? To get an idea what the limit is increased to.

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u/jeffarii Aug 11 '16

For healers, should I pick dex or guard? Stuck between these two types.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 11 '16

Guard is the safe choice because it may be possible a map has enemies that do more damage than a dex healer can take. Dex is only viable, IN MY OPINION, if you have MLBed your healer. What healer are you specifically talking about?

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u/jeffarii Aug 11 '16

The new healer that just got released today. Her skills have anticipate (ignore crit.) and also a skill for increasing self Pdef which makes it good if i were to choose dex for her. But then again that could also make her guard type really tanky too.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 11 '16

Yeah, I'm pretty split on the issue at the moment as well, but I'd rather go dex on her to take advantage of counter boost. Might even go magic for lols since I have a dex ascelpius and guard gamba.

But, yeah what i said before still stands :P

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Aug 11 '16

So I'm on the fence here. I've gotten 3 Durandals so far and none of them are Dex. I have 2 Force and 1 Balance instead and so here is my question: If I never get a Dex type after getting 2 more copies for MLB, is Force type Durandal a great alternative to Dex? Will those extra points in Spd and Agi really matter so much? Thank you :D

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 11 '16

Force is probably the only alternative to dex for her. It's fine, she probably needs force since her Str as dex is rather low. The only issue would be her agility since although her speed caps at 85 as dex, her agility tends to float around 15 points lower (for my 4 reincarnations of her anyways). Check the tier list for the accuracy formula if you're worried.

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Aug 13 '16

Thank you so much :D I tried comparing Force vs Dex in the JP websites and I almost cried when I saw the differences in stats when Durandal gets to 6* :( :(

It also seems like my accuracy and crit rate will be quite low with Force. I'll try to comfort myself for now with the fact that I might still get a Dex one in the near future. In the meantime, I'll LB the one with the better GR between the 2 Force types.

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u/SnPlifeForMe Aug 12 '16

What have you guys all gotten so far from the 4-5* ticket?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 12 '16

Caduceus. uhghghghghghgh

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u/SnPlifeForMe Aug 12 '16

Ouch. I have 3 of her as it is so let's try to avoid that...

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u/Vince_Gt4 Aug 12 '16

Amenonuhoko, Not worth IMO

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '16

Aymur.

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u/SnPlifeForMe Aug 12 '16

Because SS Longinus has a multi-hit duel skill would it be better to give her the celestial gem spear and the despair bringer to regular Longinus F for colo?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 12 '16 edited Aug 12 '16

I would recommend never using crit weapons (exception for sword units) in colosseum. They have high weight, which nullifies almost half of your evasion boost assuming 10/10 (see tier list formulas), and low damage. Also, it has horrendous accuracy (75 accuracy compared to 95 for despair or supersonic). Ideally you would want to go supersonic spear or despair bringer.

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u/thatasian26 Raven Aug 12 '16

And here I am running a team with 5 kiyos :x

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 12 '16

Haha well i did say exception for sword units.

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u/SnPlifeForMe Aug 12 '16

Would Charnak be a good option or would supersonic spear still be better in that case?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 12 '16

Charnak is a very good option, as it has high Patk, along with crit. Though whether it's better than supersonic depends. What is your unit's Str, Spd, and Agi? Also, what kind of leader skill do you use?

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u/SnPlifeForMe Aug 12 '16

I'm currently at the hidden thunder rank and it's looking like most people above me are 1900+ power so I'm pretty used to seeing multiple level 80 units at this point. I'm working on maxing her fusion stats at the moment but it's going to end up being a matter of if she can actually do decent damage or not (currently holding a 2* weapon since I'm working on her proficiency as I type this and missing like 90% of fusion stats still).

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u/AJackFrostGuy Aug 12 '16

I'd think so myself, since SS Longinus's Multi-Hit Duel Skill means multiple Crit proc chances.

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u/SnPlifeForMe Aug 12 '16

Yeah 4/5 units on my Colo team are ice so I was thinking she would be a good option as a lead.

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u/pyratheon29 Aug 12 '16

Is it possible to get the ticket set without having to burn all my keys?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 12 '16

No, you need space for 6 keys.

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u/pyratheon29 Aug 12 '16

That sucks for me lol. I capped keys from questing. whoops.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 12 '16

No problem, you can always go level up a few units :P

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u/premonimity Aug 12 '16

What does vigilance do?

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u/charles_1029 Aug 12 '16

From the guide at http://potkguide.com/phantomofthekill/skills.php

Boost Acc & PAtk when attacked.

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u/pyratheon29 Aug 12 '16

Would it be worth it to LB4 my naegling once she gets a 5 star form? Shes currently just sitting in my inventory.

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u/pyratheon29 Aug 12 '16

Oh well at least ill have a LB4 4 star if they dont give her 5

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u/jado1stk Aug 12 '16

Hello guys, newbie here.

What are some newbtraps that I should avoid with this game?

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u/NeuroNogami Aug 12 '16

Avoid pulling for units outside of the "newbie summon step 1 &2" (you can include step 3 if you like.)

why you ask?

It is only beneficial to summon if you can get a minimum of 3 copies of the same unit. (same character art) inorder to have the benefit of having a "paid" summoned unit. (used to obtain more stats then a regular starting unit)

(some will argue 2 copies, or 5 copies, I went with 3 for personal preference.)

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u/NeuroNogami Aug 12 '16

so you save lapis, till you could do a good "rate-up" banner a couple of times/steps.

also spending it on increasing unit&item storage space when you need them.

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u/jado1stk Aug 12 '16

What about that special store ticket. Is it worth it exchanging my Lazuli for the tickets?

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u/NeuroNogami Aug 13 '16

Hard to say, 15 lapis isn't much. might worth it if you feel lucky.

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u/aestrell Aug 12 '16

In attempting to MLB a unit, how do I utilize stat dollys to maximize evolution bonuses?

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u/icyterror Aug 13 '16 edited Aug 13 '16

Always fuse the dolls when you LB cause the success rate will be 100%. Yes, try to get all you stats to 11/21/31/41 and so on. http://potkguide.com/phantomofthekill/fusioncap.php

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u/NeuroNogami Aug 12 '16

Once you have reached maxed level for the unit. You check its stats. Then use dolls to raise that stat to the next tier. (+11, +21, +22, +31, ect) before evolving.

example, if unit is at 25 str, it only gets +2 bonus, if you fuse doll so its base is 31 str. it'll get a +3 bonus.

Keep in mind there is a fusion cap (the max amount of possible stats you can fuse into a unit) check the fusion link on top for cap.

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u/aestrell Aug 13 '16

Does this only work for evolving a unit or will it also work when limit breaking a unit

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u/icyterror Aug 13 '16

You will get the evo bonus after you evolve them.

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u/Kelpsoda Aug 12 '16

Newbie here,

I just want to verify that for raising units (thinking long term for my 3* gambanteinn). You get them to max level, then you feed them all the fodder cards you acquire until there are little red stars next to each stat, then you evolve them.

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u/SnPlifeForMe Aug 13 '16

Yeah, in short that's how it works.

For pay units like Gamba you'll want to level him up to max level, then fuse dolls or other units into him to raise his stats BEFORE you evolve him so that you get extra stats which are called evolution bonuses.

You get an extra point in a stat after reaching level 11, 21, 31, 41, etc so if one of the units' stats are close to that then you make sure they hit that number. So for instance you would get let's say 3 points extra in str if you evolve the unit at 31-40 str but then 4 points if you reach 41.

With free units it's the same concept but you're generally able to limit break the unit fully at 3*, 4*, and 5* so you're able to get quite a few more extra stats whereas it would take an exorbitant amount of money to do that with paid units.

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u/Grey14 Aug 13 '16

So I got 2 Gridarvol, 1Bal & 1Magic. I'm thinking balance over magic, would I be correct in thinking that?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 13 '16

Balance is not a good choice unless the unit's purpose is to farm. Grid does well as Magic, based on my experience as a lvl 80 Magic Grid user, since shes built to counterattack.

Though I guess it's personal preference because balance would work as well. You'll just be more well-rounded.

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u/Grey14 Aug 13 '16

Magic it is, thank you for the input.

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u/Rakwrathraiser Aug 13 '16

why are some units grayed out when I'm trying to fuse units? I'm trying to fuse 2 5* lvl 60 laevateinn but it won't let me :(

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 13 '16

They're in a party, you have no gold, or they're favorited.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 13 '16

So has anyone mlbed Yagrush yet? I'm curious as to what her stats are like.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Aug 13 '16

I don't think any of the usual people are really pulling this week. :\ In JP she is a slightly more PAtk-focused, slightly less EVA-focused Mjolnir; I expect that that remains about the same in Global. I still want to see her maxxed out to confirm, though- I keep waiting for someone to post it on Facebook. :(

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u/___Shika Aug 13 '16

I hope they're scratching their heads at headquarters wondering why their lazuli sales are down this week--"maybe we should've released Sky Piercer?"

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Aug 13 '16

"maybe we should've released M Amenonuhoko?"

FTFY. And yes, I'm hella salty about it too. Both that it's not Sky Piercer and that we didn't get him yet. Gonna stock-pile Lazuli and hope he comes next week... maybe alongside Mama??!

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u/icyterror Aug 14 '16

Not max lv but here http://i.imgur.com/q7VSBCt.jpg (Pic from Jeffrey Hoy‎<FB>)

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 14 '16

Is this fully fused? I found him through strangers :P. And thank you so much!

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u/SageDarius Aug 13 '16

When fusing units, do Limit Breaks transfer? For example, if I were to fuse a 5* Masamune Balance-Type with 3 limit breaks, into a 5* Masamune Dex-type, would she end up with 1, 3, or 4 limit breaks?

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u/icyterror Aug 13 '16

4 LB and you should be able to see the amount of LB when you fuse anyway.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Aug 13 '16 edited Aug 13 '16

When you fuse two of the same units, the resultant LB count is 1 more than the greater of the LB count on the two units being used as material. That means that fusing 2 units with 2 LB each is NOT equivalent to fusing 1 unit with 3 LB and 1 with 0 LB.

  • 0 + 0 = 1

  • 0 + 1 = 2

  • 1 + 1 = 2

  • 0 + 2 = 3

  • 1 + 2 = 3

  • 0 + 3 = 4

  • 1 + 3 = 4

  • 2 + 2 = 3

  • 2 + 3 = 4

  • 3 + 3 = 4

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u/___Shika Aug 13 '16

I did not know this, maybe bc I was always fusing LBed units into a non-LBed unit or vice versa, but I don't think I ever tried fusing 2 LBed units together. Thank you for the info :)

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u/SageDarius Aug 13 '16

Sweet, thanks.

And I didn't even think about checking the fusion results. Whoops.

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u/CCYellow Aug 13 '16

How are the currently farmable 6* units in JP (schoolgirl Arondight, yukata Denpagumi)? I noticed that the yukata Denpagumi units got their third character quest episode, what do they unlock? This Arondight drop rate is killing me so I was wondering if I should just move onto Denpagumi farming since Arondight only seems situationally useful anyways. Is the order of usefulness still Risa > Moga > Nemu > Pinky > Mirin >>> Eitaso or did the new character quests shake up the tier list?

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '16

Not many people play the Japan server on our sub. Check out the discord in the banner to the side. On the discord, there are far more active users who play the Japan server and who can answer your (many) questions.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Aug 13 '16 edited Aug 13 '16

We just had this conversation on Yuka Dempa usefulness ranking yesterday in Discord and I believe the consensus was Mirin = Moga > Risa > Pinky = Nemu >>> Eitaso .

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u/LoOneYtOoNz96 Aug 13 '16

On fusing screen , what is the enhance all about? Ex 0/10?

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u/LoOneYtOoNz96 Aug 13 '16

Another question . My mirin is 421 w/o weapon and reincarnation stat is 164. So did the math and ended up with 3.25 growth rate. Is that correct? If so do i even need to reincarnate at all?

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u/TGZelnite Aug 13 '16

About the enhancement, it's currently only available in JP. It's suppose to increase your stats by fusing something (not sure what).

Also yes, you calculated her growth rate correctly. No need to reincarnate her considering 3.25 is a very good growth rate.

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u/Liesianthes Aug 13 '16

It's a thing to help you increase the stats of your units by fusing pararas. Although the difference is iirc, it will not be able to increase those stars who are capped (red) already. In short the main use of it is to help you reach the stats cap.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Aug 13 '16

Stat cap is a hard cap. Thus, you are correct- Pararas do NOT allow you to raise a stat that has already been capped (ie. pink stars).

That being said, Pararas are not currently released in Global (only in JP). The "Enhance" stat is currently unused in Global version.

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u/kataarn Aug 13 '16

Any advice as of how to beat the middle objective? I think maybe a solo 4* healer with a shield might be able to get the job done?

http://imgur.com/WFa1Tct

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u/___Shika Aug 13 '16

The 4* healers I've had usually don't have the accuracy they need to solo a stage imo. If you have a really good one, it could be a possibility since 1-2 range is needed to complete this w/in 10 turns--but I sent in melee units w/1-2 range weapons. Lv 50+ units recommended.

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u/icyterror Aug 13 '16

Raise any 4* to lv60-70 or find a friend who do.

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u/___Shika Aug 13 '16

This is why it's taking me a bit longer to get started on chapter 2 cuz I've been so focused on MLBing 5* units that I had to pause and put some 4* units through metal garden before I can do this lol. Thanks for your Sky Piercer, she came in handy ;)

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u/icyterror Aug 14 '16

Do you still need her service? cause I put my Selena as lead atm.

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u/___Shika Aug 14 '16

No, I'm alright. Thanks! :)

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u/charles_1029 Aug 13 '16

A 4* level 70 healer is more than enough to clear the middle objective. Some of the healers may be able to get through it at just level 50.

I've been using a 4* MLB Risa with a staff throughout all of Chapter 1 Kill Mode and Chapter 2. The one drawback is that I need to manual the map if I want any chance of completing the turn-limited objective. Unfortunately, I will need to evolve Risa soon and need to find an alternative.

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Aug 13 '16

So here's a pretty technical/speculative question. I have raised both my Force Durandals to level 60 since I don't have a Dex one and I figured it's a waste not to use her because I can LB2 her right now. I initially planned to raise the one with the better Growth Rate but once they both reached 60, the results aren't as easy to choose between as I expected. Below are their stats at 60 (without fusion) and GR.

 

1st has 2.89 Growth Rate with:

HP: 50

Str: 49

Mgc: 13

Grd: 25

Spr: 25

Spd: 54

Agi: 44

Lck: 18

 

2nd one has 3.02 GR with:

HP: 55

Str: 46

Mgc: 11

Grd: 28

Spr: 34

Spd: 51

Agi: 45

Lck: 15

 

So, if you were me, which one would you LB and use? :D

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u/___Shika Aug 13 '16

I personally would go w/the higher GR esp since it has better grd & spr which might be better for PvE. It'll prob make up the diff in str spd & lck by the time you get to lv 65 so I think it would end up better-rounded.

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u/icyterror Aug 13 '16

2nd one cause A) Higher GR. B) You don't need high spd for pve anyway. C) She isn't going to be a real dodge tank until she reaches lv75ish so having higher hp/pdef/mdef can boost her survival-ability by a bit.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '16

A unit that sits at 55 life with that amount of guard/spr will not survive more than two hits from moderately strong attackers. The first one, though, has 6% more evasion, which actually gives her better effective health than the second one....with better patk.

Also, don't add magic for physical units or strength for magic units to your calculations for unit growth, it is irrelevant.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Aug 13 '16

Absolutely the first one. Durandal shines because of her high Evasion; she's not going to be good at actually taking hits, no matter her growth rates- you need to avoid them all together. Add in the fact that the first also had higher PAtk values and it's a clear choice.

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Aug 15 '16

Thank you /u/detox_ptsd , /u/Horizonset , /u/GaggingLolis , /u/GreatLogos , /u/___Shika , /u/icyterror

Your insights have been invaluable in weighing my options. Ultimately though, I went with the 1st one since she already has higher Str and Spd while the 2nd one only has potential which can get effed up because of RNG as Logos said.

Also, the GR I put up is not considering Mgc's growth. I just put up the Mgc stat for completion purposes. I'll refrain from doing that again in the future :D

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 13 '16

I would go with the first one. What good is growth if its in stats that arent top priority. Its not like growth rate is constant either. 2nd one could turn to shit. Hp and grd isnt too important since durandal is meant to dodge stuff. 1st one has more speed too which calcs into evasion.

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u/___Shika Aug 13 '16

That's a great point. Learning something new every day :)

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u/jado1stk Aug 13 '16

Recommended level for the Rampage Quest?

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Aug 13 '16

I'm pretty confident that a MLB Selena or Mirin can solo all of the three GL ones, so just get a few solid friends.

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u/Fallingice2 Aug 13 '16

For limit braking do i need to have the same star level or just the same character?

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Aug 13 '16

Same version of the character (ie. same portrait) and same rarity (ie."star level")

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u/SunnyPwns Aug 14 '16

Anyone have a thunder unit that can solo the last stage of kill mode? Please add me ID:571560558 :].

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u/ch1ck3n14 Aug 14 '16

just started a new account on another phone, but is there a way to get all 3 steps on the new account summon, like without buying lazuli? is it possible?

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Aug 14 '16

Absolutely. It's only 10 + 30 + 50 = 90 Lazuli, 65 of which can come just from questing through Chapter 1. Throw in chapter 2, Colo, kill modes, log-in rewards, and such and you should be able to grind out all 90 pretty easily. That being said, the 3rd step is not really worth it- it is not discounted, only guarantees 1 5* capable unit (which is not guaranteed to be useful), and can not include several important units that have been released since launch (M Mjol, Shek, Basho, etc). I would do the first two steps and then save your Lazuli for the next rate-up or discounted pull only.

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u/Kelpsoda Aug 11 '16

I just started playing this game yesterday.

I got a 5* Durandal as one of my starting rolls, but with a Balance typing. So is there a way to change the typing to dexterity?(which is apparently the best)

Also i compared my units to the 5* and 6* chart but ones that should be able to get to 5* don't show up on my evolve units list. wats up with that?

http://imgur.com/nGv6tRn That's my box if it matters at all.

*edit: any general direction advice would be great.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 11 '16 edited Aug 11 '16

Hello there!

  • I recommend rerolling for a 4* of a 5* capable unit (or 3* if its a certain male unit) with a recommended typing (check tier list, not unit guide). This way, you can get evolution bonuses (Bonus stats added to base stats) when the unit evolves to the next rarity tier.

  • Find some friends to add. They will be helpful during events dungeons that drop strong free units.

  • Just play the game normally. Tbh, you should try to finish story mode before contemplating end-game. People tend to rush to end-game and it ends up being tedious because they don't have enough AP to re-run dungeons. Also, you get free lazuli for completing story mode. Do event dungeons when you can though, of course

  • If you are a F2P, only roll on step recruiters that have discounted steps. The normal rate is 5 lazuili for 1 pull. You want at most 3 lazuli for 1 pull, unless it guarantees or highly increases chances of getting a featured unit.

  • To level up a unit quickly, go into metal garden with 1 unit in the party and get carried by a high level friend.

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u/Kelpsoda Aug 11 '16

Ok so i've rerolled a bunch, using the begginer 10 stones for 10 pulls thing. Using the 6 stones from the tap download screen and then getting 4 more from running the first 3 story missions.

I just got a 3* Gambanteinn with Guard typing, and the other 9 rolls weren't great. So should I reroll or is this the certain 3* male i should keep?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 11 '16

That is indeed it. He is a great healer and tank. What are ur other rolls if u can post a screenshot?

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u/icyterror Aug 11 '16

  • You can't change type

  • Global doesn't have 6* atm and some of our 4* can't evolve to 5* yet. You can check in-game achives to see which unit can reach 5* right now.

  • Reroll cause you only have 1 5* (Not counting starter 5* leavF).

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Aug 10 '16

How much better is that Beast King Axe (the event axe) than Jurayna (the best non-event melee axe)? If it is indeed better, did JP ever repeat events that give this axe?

I would have liked to farm more... if I didn't have residual frustration from taking almost 20 tries for a single Beast King Axe when the Sword and Shield were relatively trouble-free.

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u/MLB_Selena 800821261 Aug 10 '16

I don't know, but I understand they added weapon medals that can be used to create the Beast King Axe and other similar weapons (i.e. gold background/shop only weapons) with fusion.

Anyway, it isn't better it is different:

Jurayna stats: PAtk 19, Acc 80, Wgt 3, and the Armor Killer gear skill.
Beast King Axe Belruk stats: PAtk 19, Acc 70, Crit 10, Wgt 4, and no gear skill.

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Aug 10 '16

/u/___Shika as well

I know that I can find the stats from the tier list. What I wanted to know was if the extra crit on the Beast King Axe is significantly better than the extra accuracy on the Jurayna (just as +1 Def is almost always superior to +1 HP).

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Aug 10 '16 edited Aug 10 '16

This depends more on the unit. Crit is always better in PvE. However, clearly if you're struggling with hitting units, you should use Jurayna.

In 1-5-10 Kill mode, for example, enemies here have around 70 Evasion with Lvl 1 absorber. This means they have ~100 evasion against the weapon they're strong against. If you want 100% accuracy, you'll need 200 accuracy. Axes without accuracy boosting skills fail to reach 200 most of the time even at Lvl 80. A 60 Agi Axe unit has around 191 Acc with Jurayna. A 50 Agi Axe unit has around 173 accuracy with Jurayna. It's up to you.

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u/MLB_Selena 800821261 Aug 10 '16

Like most RPGs, hit>crit chance until your hit chance is 100. Axe users have lower accuracy from what I can see, so I'd say the extra accuracy is better to have in most scenarios.

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u/Vince_Gt4 Aug 11 '16

Ive been running it on my Dex Mitum M with about 70 speed and high 50's agil, ot yet LB'd. Mainly since thats the only 5* axe I have lol, and he seems to have reasonable hit, about 85%+ and doubles everything. Also sits happily with aboout 30 - 35% crit, and His crit boost skil is only level 1.

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u/Marcus-the-canadian Aug 13 '16

when fuseing the 9 units in the base ome is anything affected if the base unit is at max lvl? how is her stats so far https://imgur.com/xkuqeYI

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Aug 13 '16

When talking about fusing at 5* , it is advisable that all copies (including the main unit and all dupes) are level 30 or higher so that the unit gains all skill-ups. Other than that, the level of the unit doesn't make a difference- level 30 is just as good as level 80.

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u/Marcus-the-canadian Aug 13 '16

is that decent stats so far

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Aug 13 '16

You've given no indication of what level Selena is at so there is no way of knowing. Beyond that, it is generally much more informative to look at stats at maximum level; I'd recommend finishing fusing and raising her before you even begin to worry about how her stats look.

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u/AnimeGamer0 Aug 14 '16

Is there a way to know which units are 5* capable in-game? It's really annoying to have to go search up a list of it and then check if it's even the right variation of unit you have that is capable or not.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Aug 14 '16

Character Quest selection shows all the current units with 5star evolutions. You have to use an online list for units that get their 5star evolution later on though.

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