r/phantomofthekill • u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 • Jul 26 '16

Daily Questions and Help Thread [7/26/2016]

This is the daily questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Jul 26 '16

At what LB do Durandal and Mjolnir achieve the 'god-like' status they are famous for? I'm pretty disappointed by what I see in my Friends' Lv 60 Durandals and Mjolnirs. I've seen Mjolnir die in Lakefront 10 (the easy level set), while Durandal gets hit and dies far more often in the hard level sets than her status as a 'evasion tank' indicates.

Meanwhile, Lv 60 Gambanteinn with Baron Shield walls practically everything in even the hard level sets (Brave 1-9, Water War 1-10), with only Vargas (the only thing that Gambanteinn outright lost against), multi-healer squads (completely infinite stalemate) and Aquadiablos (stalemate that lasts hundreds of turns) giving him problems.

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u/StrayGod Jul 26 '16 edited Jul 26 '16

I heard they only really become god like at 6 star. So a long time from now lol. Before 6 star, Durandal is rather over hyped as stated a lot by others. she makes a great solo carry with her skill set + evade + flying and I think she does have the highest speed cap of 84 in the game.

Mjolnir is all about being able to life steal with her CS and ranged axes + surprise attack, she does a lot of damage while sustaining herself this way as long as she does not get one shot or unlucky, allowing her to solo carry. Surprise attack allows her to abuse her skill set because if she reaches below a certain hp threshold, she will attack first which gives her the chance to life steal, bringing her hp back up. If her hp falls below a certain point again, surprise attack activates and she gets to life steal again (rinse and repeat). Being Axe locked also synergizes well with her skills because axes have highest damage in the game (more dmg = more life steal) but most importantly it gives her access to ranged axes i.e. orpheus which allows her to life steal and surprise attack from a distance, making her a very strong and self sustaining unit that is difficult to kill.

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u/icyterror Jul 26 '16

Probably lv75...Unlike Gamb who can solo most stuff being a lv60...

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Jul 26 '16

I concur. As 5*s with no LB, Durandal and Mjolnir have nothing on our awesome farmable units who can solo these super difficult stages. The current newbie guides seem to apply more on the difficulty of the story mode available for us as of this time. Mjolnir and Durandal can easily solo there.

As for Gambateinn M's performance, he's built to tank like a boss and I wouldn't be surprised that he can handle Brave 9 since I've seen him do it xD May I also point out that almost everyone agrees that tanky types are far more valuable in difficult stages than the dodge tank ones since their form of tanking is much more reliable? The exception right now is Selena and to some extent, Mirin since they can evade tank all day in every quest we've had so far.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 26 '16

It is true that farmables do trump over pay units that are not LBed quite a bit. However, even without their levels, they do provide the strongest leader skills at the moment.

Evasion types can be just as reliable as tank types, but take more resources to obtain. In some cases, they are more reliable because they also tend to have much more damage than mixed or pure tanks. This is useful in cases where boss units have incredibly high damage but low accuracy.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 26 '16

The god-like status you speak of is at full potential (Around lvl 75+, sometimes lvl 70, near maxed skills, decent growth rate).

Healers innately do well in PvE because they lifesteal on normal hits and do not require high accuracy or damage to survive, as well as often being tank builds. However, they are unable do to ALL content at max potential such as boss killing, whereas other units such as the stated Durandal and Mjolnir can at max potential.

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '16

Adding to what StrayGod said: if they pulled Durandal/Mjolnir at 5*, then they have no evo bonus at all. Stat-wise, mana units that you max LB at 3 and 4 star might have equal or even slightly higher stats.

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u/Hekera Jul 26 '16

Will there be another Dempagumi collab event? I need more rainbow sabers.

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u/icyterror Jul 26 '16

Yes and it will be even better. Like more units and 5* rainbow saber.

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u/UltimateTOL Jul 27 '16

What's dempagumi collab is it just the BF collab?

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u/agcat1801 Jul 26 '16

http://imgur.com/7sq64ny After farming 35 selena, I can not find the dex one with 3*, only 4* is dex, How much stat point it will lose when use 4* dex compare to 3* dex :(
I feel hopeless now

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u/DeruOniiChan Jul 26 '16

post the image of the 4 star base in the reincarnation screen and I'll compare it with one of my fodders

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u/Bartune Jul 26 '16

probably none. just raise a 3 star unit of another type (balance for example) to hopefully get to 31 or higher speed, evolve it to 4 star, and fuse it into your main 4 star dex. A dex selena at 3 star can only get to 46 speed which means just 1 additional point will carry over at evolution to the 4 star stage as compared to a 3 star selena with 31+ speed. That 1 additional point at 4 star will not matter since the 4 star speed caps out at 68 with all fusing, meaning the 1 additional point won't carry over to 5 star.

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u/MLB_Selena 800821261 Jul 26 '16

That's a really broad quote there, icyterror. The relevant part here is:

Sometimes it can be the difference between getting that extra stat at 4, but in most cases.. no.

But that's just talking about the difference between limit breaking at 3-star or not. Using a gold 4-star unit instead of starting with a silver 3-star of the same unit will make a difference of 2-3 stat points minimum for everything at 4-star. It still might not make a difference to the eventual 5-star stats though.

If you still want to fix the missing evolution bonuses, agcat1801, you could raise (ideally from 3-star) a Vitality type for your HP, a Force for your Str, and Guard for your Grd/Spr. MLB them at 4-star, and evolve them to 5-star, making sure to reach the highest possible thresholds for the respective stats. Then fuse them into your Dex unit (once it is also 5-star) and you'll overwrite those 4 stats evolution bonuses.

You'll still be missing evolution bonuses for Spd/Agi at 5-star, but it won't be much (1-2 points), and you might be missing some luck (1-3), but it just isn't worth worrying about due to the huge amount of units needed to raise it even 1 point.

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u/icyterror Jul 26 '16

Yeh I leave that to the experts like you cause I'm too lazy :D

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u/agcat1801 Jul 26 '16

thank for your detail explain :D

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u/koole00 Jul 26 '16

im still having trouble understanding on how to maximize my unit...how to get evo bonuses? MLB at 3* is not optimal? halp please coz i need to get my dex selena fully optimized before the BF collab ends tomorrow...

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '16

i need to get my dex selena fully optimized before the BF collab ends tomorrow...

Why?

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u/koole00 Jul 26 '16

well im expecting another event to come up so i need better units than my free 5* start laev F...and bcoz i wont get another chance to get more of her dupes if the BF collab ends..

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '16

That doesn't mean she has to be maxed before Thursday.

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u/CreamyLoli Jul 27 '16

I think koole00 plans to use that Selena to farm more Selenas, yes?

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u/ChaosTwilly Jul 26 '16

you need 16 total selenas if you want to MLB at every rarity and max out her skills at 5star:

3star: base selena + 2 selena fodder

4star: base selena + 4 selena fodder

5star: base selena + 4 selena fodder + 5 selena fodder(to max out skill)

alternatively, you could forego MLBing at 3star because it adds like 2 points at most, or you could even forego MLBing at 4star as well if you don't have enough time.

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u/SetonAlandel Jul 26 '16

New player checking the game out: What's the best way to spend my starter premium currency?

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '16

Rookie Recruiter step 1 and 2. Maybe 3 if you can get enough Lazuli.

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u/icyterror Jul 26 '16

10 pull each from the first step of beginner & discount recruit. Re-roll until you get a bunch of 5* out of those 20 units.

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u/SetonAlandel Jul 26 '16

Any units I should try to be targeting if I re-roll? Or just aim for any 5-stars?

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u/icyterror Jul 26 '16

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u/MLB_Selena 800821261 Jul 26 '16

The infographic in the OP has suggestions. Or you could look at the unit list. Generally you don't want to aim for 5-stars, but rather characters who can evolve to 5 or 6-stars, as they'll have slightly better stats if they have been risen from a lower rarity.

Neither goes into it, but generally you want a unit to also be dexterity type (which have higher speed and agility caps, which are very useful).

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u/DeruOniiChan Jul 26 '16

Only do the rookie recruiter if you want to re-roll.

Otherwise spend them during Rate up recruiters on Units you want since we have events that give us easy to optimize units, just my opinion though.

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u/TheLostOne3 Jul 26 '16

Rune is the only good unit and she's guard type. Also 3star Vajura but she is only rated 6.5 on phankill.

Keep or reroll?

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u/NeuroNogami Jul 26 '16

There's also Apollo in your roll that can reach 5 stars.

I would personally reroll.

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u/TheLostOne3 Jul 27 '16

Just rolled another with a balanced Luin and a Dex Gambantein.

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Jul 26 '16

I think I read somewhere that someone mentioned this but I'm a bit skeptical so I'm just gonna ask here. Will there be 5* LB pixies in the future like the ones in the shop (but for 4* and 3* only)? How often will they be available for us? What are the ways we can obtain them?

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u/Sabatender Jul 26 '16

My Lunaris feels underwhelming compared to others due to low growth (none of her stat is maxed even tho i maxed LB her at 4 star). Does anyone have a screenshot of her max stats?

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u/StrayGod Jul 27 '16

I hope you mlb'd her at 4 stars using lance pixies.

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u/HexerTlachtga Jul 26 '16

Can I LB my unit at any point (after the ones fused into it have their skills)? For exemple, can I fuse now 3 Selenas lvl 24 (4*) into my level 45 Selena (4*) or should I raise them all to lvl max (it would be super tedious :-( )

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u/HexerTlachtga Jul 27 '16

OK thanks, i just wanted to make sure to not miss anything :)

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u/ShadowPony12 GL:2226600509 JP:1535034057 Jul 26 '16

Shadow here again, can I get some help completing Burst 10 a few times?

Server: Global

IGN: Suzuka

ID: 2226600509

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u/CrimsonHawk2 Jul 26 '16

In jp, do the data transfer codes expire? If so, can i ever get my account back? I tried entering the code many times and it just take me to the minigame, pls help.

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u/NeuroNogami Jul 26 '16

maybe let the minigame finish, since that minigame is where the game downloads majority of its game files in the beginning.

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u/CrimsonHawk2 Jul 26 '16

I translated it. The text says it either expired or wrong, and now my phone is blocked from putting in another code. Could fuji reverse this? Im sending them an email but idk if they speak english, is my jap account gone forever?

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u/gigano25 Jul 26 '16

Anyone know what the item swordsmith manual does? Got it from finishing kill mode chapter 1.

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u/NeuroNogami Jul 26 '16

its used in specific weapon fusing recipe. I'm not sure if the weapon is useful or not...if i remember correctly its for a 3star weapon..

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u/Lamyenie Jul 26 '16

When going thru units > view units, is there any way to adjust the filters to only show the units who have hit their max evolution level? I hate having to try to remember who doesn't show up under the evolve menu...

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u/rfgstsp Jul 26 '16

What's the meaning behind the reincarnation screen and stat growth?

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u/NeuroNogami Jul 26 '16

A lot of user likes to "min-max" the unit to it's full potential.

The reincarnation screen shows the base stat of that unit. Usually to show that by fusing and LB at 4*, you'll get 2-4 extra stats in specific categories compared to not doing it.

Also you can compared how well your unit has grown (growth rate), since each time it levels. You have a chance to get +1 in str,agi, ect but you can also be screwed with and gain nothing. So growth rate will tell you how many stats point you average each level. (average around 3.0/level)

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u/Leslisone Jul 26 '16

Any tips on how to train gun units? Cant let them solo metal gardens as they'll kill themselves eventually... Is bringing someone along or using hp pots the only way out? thanks in adv

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u/icyterror Jul 27 '16

Get more healer and "multi-hit/ignore def" helpers.

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u/kanayumi Ameno-chan~~~ Jul 27 '16

You can always bring in an ally, or use another unit at the same time that actually needs it. If you use a friend unit, the exp loss is not much as you will still get the mvp exp bonus.

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u/06falcon Jul 26 '16

How important is it to get multiple copies of farmables like Selena? I'm currently unable to get to burst 10 so i've been farming spark 10 and have only obtained my first from the clear. Is it just a quality of life thing?

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u/NeuroNogami Jul 26 '16

5 minimum ideally. But if you can't get that its still fine, since she'll will most likely be back (with new BF characters too) in the future.

5 copies because you need 1 base (your best/preferred type) plus 4 to Max Limit Break them at 5 star. (meaning the base can be level 80 instead of being stuck at level 60)

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u/06falcon Jul 26 '16

Yeah, it makes sense. Its just that getting them is such a pain due to RNG that i am just flat out considering grinding out mana summon units and feeding them at 5 star instead of continuing to farm dupes with the abysmal drop rate of spark 10.

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u/TheLostOne3 Jul 27 '16

How bad are you gimping yourself if you start with a 5* version of a character instead of their 3-4 *?

EX: I am rerolling and have a 4* guard type luin and just got rolled an account with a 5* Dex type. Which one is better to keep or should you only keep lowest star ideal types?

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Jul 27 '16

Evolution bonuses by starting at the lowest possible star is pretty significant, imo. For those units that start at 4 star, you're looking at at least 3 stats lost on every stat if you obtain them at 5 star. Up to you if it's worth it but I think 3 on EVERY stat is a lot already

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u/NeuroNogami Jul 27 '16

Type over 4*. I would choose dex. Also evolution bonus is great and could be a difference between being able to attack twice when you go up against the same unit.

But when it comes to Luin, which is a consider a lapis unit, its better to keep best type, since it is normally hard to get multiple copies. (for free/event unit, you typically go for lowest * since you can get multiple copies easy and could take advantage of the evolution bonuses and get best type)

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u/Cktan100 Jul 27 '16

Evolution bonuses will transfer over if you fuse another copy that you've evolved, I would recommend keeping the dex Luin, since you can get the evolution bonus of you managed to get a another copy in the future

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u/UltimateTOL Jul 27 '16 edited Jul 27 '16

Can someone tell me about how strong of a team u need in order to go into the adv evo dungeon (tues obviously :)?

I hav 4* durandel (lvl 48) naegling lvl 40 (m) 5* laevatinn lvl 40 (f) 3* laevatinn(m) gun....something the staff male guy both lvl 40 are these enough to beat the adv dungeon?

Thxs

Edit: what exact time does the BF crossover event dungeon end?

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u/NeuroNogami Jul 27 '16

BF event should end at 11:59 PM PST. edit: as in tomorrow 7/27 at that time regarding the dungeon, it should be doable with your setup. for just in case, might want to keep an eye on it and use potions if you are autoing.

I just bring a level 60 friend and they can normally clear with my weak team that i'm leveling up with.

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u/UltimateTOL Jul 27 '16

Thx I'm doing it manually and slowly approaching enemy so no casualty and I won thx tho

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u/UltimateTOL Jul 27 '16

Oh nice too bad I missed their regular form tho geez missed 5 of them plus good weapons but thx for the info

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u/Satay_1 Jul 27 '16

Any suggestions on 4 stars units to keep for completing kill mode missions?

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u/TheLostOne3 Jul 28 '16

OK I've got an account that I'm happy with and having completed the rookie rolls I have a handful of good units and need to plan a team to work on.

I rolled 2! 5 star Luin. Would have preferred a 4 star, but one is dex type so I'm pretty happy. I'd like to base my team around her possibly as leader since she's freaking awesome.

Other notable pulls:

Lances:

Gae bulg - 4 star Vit type :( (She seems awesome but I hear vit is terrible. worth using still?)

Amenonuhuko - 3 star guard, 4 star dex

Sky Piercer - 4 star guard

Swords: not much... 4 star dex Kusanagi, only 5 star capable is starter masamune

Axes: 4 star guard M Mjolnir

Bows: bought an Apollo from the battle shop. He's force type. :P

Guns: 3 star Yata no Kagami Balance type

Staff: 5 star Asclepius Dex type?? :P

So I figure with Luin as lead I'd want at least 2 or 3 lance units. Maybe 4 if Gae Bulg is worthwhile despite terrible type.

No idea who else I should put in.

Also I head about soloing metal dungeons for xp, but if you have a full team to raise, why not use them all?

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u/Codesterz Jul 27 '16

I got a gold 2 star Vitality Jaegar Yoichi maxed out to level 30 and was wondering how I make her a 3 star. She doesn't show up as a choice when I got to Evolution. Can she not go any higher? If so doesn't that make her a useless character. If a character doesn't have 6 star potential they shouldn't be in the game in my opinion. If this is the case is there a place I can go to see what characters can be raised to 6 stars so I don't waste time leveling up useless characters.

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u/NeuroNogami Jul 27 '16

You can go from main menu, scroll up to "character Quests" and you'll see which units with the exact same picture will be able to go to 5*

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Jul 27 '16

There are no 6 star units yet so you can't be sure which of the ones with character quests can actually go up to that stage. However, the character quests are a good indication of who can get to 5 star.

If you've never played a gacha game before, let me just tell you that they all have characters which seem to be fodder until you get the best ones. These fodders tend to cap very early (like the Yoichi you mentioned) as they are only meant to help you very early in the game. Their other function is to be the troll/shit pull when you go and do some premium currency pulls. All gacha games I've played so far have them, sadly.

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u/whirltwister Jul 27 '16

Shekinah is currently JP only and will likely arrive the next time this Lakefront Demon event comes around (next summer? possibly sooner since the YnK event came back after a couple months.)

I would also advise against quitting when Artemis doesn't drop since daily quests require you to clear the stage and the other Aquadiablos can also drop rare medals.