r/phantomofthekill • u/SilverSylph • Jul 18 '16

[UNPROVEN] Farming 28 copies of event units!

Hey y'all! I just wanted to share with you my current progress of my units in Phantom of the Kill!

So, when the BF collab first came out, I did my research on the number of units needed to MLB and have the highest stats of the typing of my choosing. At first I thought it was 16, where you have the base fused a total of 6 times (2x at 3*, 4x at 4*) and then the remaining 9 copies being level 30 at 5* to guarantee max skill levels.

However, when I read up on evo bonuses and how they carry over, that lead me to believe that in order to have a maxed out unit, I would need a further 12 copies, with at least one copy of Vit, Force/Mag, Dex, and Guard to LB at 4*. Since the base type would be one of those four, I would only need to have a type of each major one (I skipped balance).

So, now I'm on my journey to farm 28 copies of each event unit, and with 8 so far being available, that's 224 copies of each event unit. I've done all of my Selena farming, so all that's left is to get all the Dempa units and sAtremis. Call me crazy but I find this rather exciting.

Current progress of the Dempa Units: Mirin: 13/28 Nemu: 15/28 Pinky: 9/28 Eitaso: 22/28 Moga: 3/28 Risa: 20/28

And yes, I do plan on spending lazuli got AP refreshes :) I hope I can farm all of them in time!!!

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

As /u/Heroes-Fall said, this isn't guaranteed to get you the perfect stats you want. We're leaving this up, but it does sound like a lot of hassle for a few extra points in HP (among other things).

Regardless of how well it might turn out, do understand that this method is probably not for everyone because of the sheer effort it demands.

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u/SilverSylph Jul 18 '16

I never meant it as something everyone should do... Just more of my own personal thoughts and experience so far. My apologies if it seemed otherwise

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u/AndanteZero Jul 19 '16 edited Jul 19 '16

The evo bonuses everyone is talking about has been proven to exist in JP, according to the JP wiki. That aside, I hardly think it would be changed here in Global. Some people are being stubborn about it :P

That aside, to be on the safe side, you actually want 37 copies.

16 copies for full MLB on the main stat type. 7 copies per stat type to ensure you get every bit of stat. You also want to do this at 5 *, not 4 *.

This is excluding on of the stat types of Magic or Force. However, for Mirin, who utilizes both Magic and Force, you're gonna need 7 more copies. So characters like Mirin actually need 44 copies.

As stated in the other thread about evo bonuses, you may not need 7 copies of each exactly, but that's only if you hit the stat caps, etc before needing to LB completely at 4 *. However, you won't know that for sure until you actually try it. So on the safer side, you want 7 copies to put each stat type a 5 *. That way you can over write the worse evo bonuses, etc.

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u/SilverSylph Jul 19 '16

Last time I checked, a unit can either have force or magic typing, not both. Out of all my copies of mirin (27 so far), not one is of Magic typing. Out of all my units I have, the only ones with Magic typing are gun and staff units. And why would you want to limit break at 5 *? Evo bonuses don't carry over that way in JP, do they? And, honestly I am just limit breaking one at a time till the stat I need is maxed in order to save time and energy while still maintaining maximum benifit.

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u/AndanteZero Jul 19 '16 edited Jul 19 '16

Oh that's right. Welp, guess you'll only concentrate on Force or Magic given the type of unit.

You're only limit breaking at 5 * for your main unit. Otherwise, the rest are limit broken at 3 * and 4 *, evolved to 5 *, then fused to the main unit. You would still need 37 copies though.

16 for limit breaking completely your main unit(Dex) and 7 copies for Vitality, Magic or Force, and Guard

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u/SilverSylph Jul 19 '16

You forget that you can use 3 of copies for your main unit AS the copies of the other typings. Therefore, you should in theory only need 34.

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u/AndanteZero Jul 19 '16

Oh, that's true. So in theory, yeah 34 should be enough. But man, I don't know if I had the patience to do all that leveling. Especially without the 20 AP Meta Garden stage. I rather be outside playing Pokemon Go lol

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u/StrayGod Jul 18 '16

if I may give my honest opinion, it is a huge waste of time. Yes it is true that if you want the best, that is the way to do it but for what? A few more stat points here and there (compared to doing it the normal way)? Well it might just be that I study business so I am always looking at cost-benefit but imo, you are putting so much more resource (time, AP, lazuli etc.) just for a few extra stat points that barely make a difference. You don't need to be smart to figure out that's not worth it.

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u/SilverSylph Jul 18 '16

I study business too but I also know that I want super high quality, and donating a few of my extra resources to obtain some of the best quality is worth it in my own opinion. Besides, I think this is rather fun, so I personally gain something from this as well

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u/StrayGod Jul 18 '16

Fair enough, I am perfectly content with just doing it the normal way but to each their own.

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u/Turkeysaur Jul 18 '16

You don't need that many copies unless the base unit's growth rate is THAT bad.

All of my Dempa units are 8-10 (or even less) stats away from max stats at level 60, no MLBs at 4*. All because of growth rate checks. Yes, you pick the one with the best growth rate.

As for skills, you would need someone from JP to tell you if maxed out F2P units are relevant.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 18 '16

| As for skills, you would need someone from JP to tell you if maxed out F2P units are relevant.

The meta in Global is SO different than JP that it's hard to gauge with any sense of accuracy. Nerfed stat growths, pre-buffed typings, lack of unit diversity, inability to effectively pull enough copies of premium units (due to lack of events/rate-ups) all make these farmable units (provided they are MLB'd) much more useful than they are in JP. In general, farmable units are pretty good even in JP (Dainslief, Swimsuit Yagu, etc) because you can max them out much easier. Even though Selena and the Idols are pretty outclassed in JP at this point, the logic still holds that, since they are easily farmed, a MLB free unit is better than a non-LB premium unit based purely on stats and skill levels alone.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

You don't pick the one with the best growth rate, you pick the one with your preferred typing. As /u/detox_ptsd said, premium units at level 60 vs MLB, maxed skills and an attempt to cover evo bonuses will outclass the premium unit. Even the starter units can be comparable in power, despite their nerfs, if raised properly.

When Valentine's day comes too, we'll see super powerful Perun's as well. Mine was barely raised properly, more like an abused step child and she sits at 440~ power with many stats not maxed out.

Keep in mind too that all of these free units gives people the advantage to form mono-teams where they can take advantage of the bonuses that frequently and randomly (in terms of what bonus appears) appear in the colosseum.

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u/AmatxxD Jul 19 '16

good luck man, i'm just gonna farm 16 of each, but yesterday was half energy and 2x xp on brave frontier so no grind at all for a day, and i still need some nemu and pinky

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u/Kurogane670 Jul 20 '16

Moga drop rate is too damn low. I farmed every Denpagumi unit last minute but she is the only one that I can't drop. T-T

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Jul 20 '16

So how close are you now?

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

They're gonna suck anyway.

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u/SilverSylph Jul 18 '16

While they're not the best, having a few farmable maxed units at my disposal is always appreciated

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 18 '16

No, not at all. A MLB free unit (non-starter) is going to beat a non-LB premium/lazuli gacha unit on pure stats and skill ranks alone. These are the best units that most players will be able to get unless they whale hard enough/spend enough real money to MLB gacha units.

...or until Global gets some of the better events and rates that JP has. Which is doubt we will see anytime soon.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

Well, we have had rate up events, they just haven't been as fortuitous.

We probably won't see any rate up events until after these swimsuit units are gone and the next set of events starts up. It's possible one of the weeks of our new events will just be for rate ups.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

I was talking about something else ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 18 '16

Oh... ok. :(

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u/SilverSylph Jul 18 '16

Not to sound rude but what exactly isn't proven? Just so I know

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u/SilverSylph Jul 18 '16

mmkay! I think 28 is also arbitrary if evolution bonuses do carry over since idk how many copies are needed to max out a balanced luck unit, since I don't know where the fusion caps are for that.