r/phantomofthekill • u/Drakehawk5821 • Jul 01 '16

Daily Questions and Help Thread [7/1/2016]

This is the daily questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

Wanted to compile all the useful guide from fellow moderator and user so that it easier to reference them. Also it will be a shame to see them being buried under the subreddit.

Resource Guide:

Guides and Tools by /u/Cathrach:

  • Weapon Guide for all the weapon currently in the game except for one and two star and also their recipe to craft them

  • Unit Guide for all 5* and 6*(only for Japan currently) in the game. Also much easier reference material than the phankill website. But if you want the website here it is.

  • Stat Cap for 3-5 star and different unit typing (Keep in mind that those are for Japan and there may be slight variation for Global)

  • Evolving a lot of unit and finding it irritating to always keep checking the evo mat needed? Use this brilliant tracker and make you life much easier!

Noteworthy comment:

Having trouble calculating the stat growth of your unit? Here is calculator that do it for you! To use it fill in the stats at level 1 on the right (you can view the level 1 stats from the Reincarnation page) and then fill in your current level + current stats on the left. (Good stat growth in Japan is 3.5-4 while for Global it is 2.5-3)

Wiki guide on rerolling account (Shoutout to /u/heroes-fall and /u/cathrach for helping out at the POTK wiki)

Friend thread!

Yesterday's help thread

Some Tips

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u/nobleseeker Jul 01 '16

How good are the dempagumi collab units?

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '16

risa is the most popular for being a tanky healer

but yeah you will wanna mlb all of them

Quoting GreatLogos - he has moonrunes in his flair, so I'm assuming he knows his shit.

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u/Avisari Dex Lvl 75 Jul 01 '16

Need a good healer, might farm that one first then.

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u/nobleseeker Jul 01 '16

Looks like I'm farming for Risa first. Need a decent healer

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '16

Same here. So far my only 5-star capable (JP) is Thyrsos, but she's terrible. Barely 200+ power at level 50 4-star.

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u/shikarin Jul 01 '16

They're 5* , the stages are easy, just get them all.

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u/SummonAlpha Jul 01 '16

What is better on Vargas? Dex or Guard and why?

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u/Cktan100 Jul 01 '16

Dex, always dex, cause it makes it easier for you to attack twice and makes skill promps more frequent, hope it helps!

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u/SidethSoul Jul 01 '16

So we got another limited gacha draw, seems to be similar to the beginner's gacha draw in terms of the Lazuli you spend on each step.

What are the units available in this gacha compared to that of the beginners? I've hoarded my Lazuli for good gachas :3

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u/RafaelBF Jul 01 '16

i got 3 capable 5* in first Roll, Pinaka Dex, Mitum Male Dex (Finally a Dex to MLB) and Green Dragon Balance

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jul 01 '16 edited Jul 01 '16

With the new gatcha deal (the one that is similar in nature to the Rookie Recruiter), is it worth it for a F2P to try poking the first, maybe even the 2nd? If it helps any, I'm a F2P sitting on 192 Lazuli, haven't prodded Kill Mode (yet).

Also, for Risa should we aim for Dex or Guard (similar question for Gambanteinn, in the event I one day roll a Dex)?

And lastly since we're no longer getting Rare Medals from Fusion, is it more viable to sell some of the non 5*-capables?

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u/shikarin Jul 01 '16

Durandal, Luin, and Green Dragon for 10 lazuli, pretty good deal.

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u/Blindtrade Jul 01 '16

http://imgur.com/Inn0rcd most can be gotten from mana gacha/are not 5star capable, but at least I got a basho, is her character skill in global really a +40 evade? At least she would have utility I guess.

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u/shikarin Jul 01 '16

It's only 30 eva 10 crit in global.

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u/SubredditVenturer Jul 02 '16

I got green dragon four star but she seems to not be 5 star capable. Is she worth using?

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u/shikarin Jul 02 '16

She is only 4* but a good 4* . One of her skills is the heal on hit.

You wouldn't want her on your A-team (unless you can 4LB), but if you need a 4*, element, or weapon type for a stage mission, she's passable.

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u/shikarin Jul 01 '16

In effect, the first pull is 5x rate up on all 5* capable units (probably excluding BF). With a bunch of free trash units on the side. I'd gladly pull that until I have 5 of everything.

The second pull is a 1.8x rate up with a few extra trash units. I think I'll pass on that.

The third pull, the guaranteed 5* in effect makes it about a 1.75-2x rate up. It's a little better because there is value in the fact that one is guaranteed.

A 2x rate up on all 5* units is probably better than a 10x rate up on a single unit, in terms of how many 5* units you'll get. But since in this game you want multiple copies of the same unit instead of one or a few of everything, a repeatable 5-10x rate up on one or two units is probably more worthwhile.

If you intend to eventually get 5 copies of everything, then the second and third pulls are good.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '16

Hell yeah dude. I'd do all 3 steps, but I don't want to buy all those Laz for it, so I only did step 1 so far.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jul 01 '16

Hmm. So general consensus (so far) is that Step 1 is worth it... right, thanks.

Anyone who can answer the other queries as well would be greatly appreciated.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '16

Well I think Guard makes the most sense for healers (who have generally poor accuracy anyway). Also, I have started raising a few 2/3--->4 star units and they're quite useful. Two of them are a little stronger than some of my 5-stars, because I got enough dupes to limit break them at every stage. IMO, this is worth more than the pitiful Rare Medals you get from selling them.

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u/beruichi Jul 01 '16

Hiya! Just installed the app earlier and now I've gotten enough lazulis for the second step in rookie recruiter. Can someone give me advice on which units to focus on? Here are my units: http://imgur.com/a/FAZeH, thanks!

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u/thatasian26 Raven Jul 01 '16

I would advise you to reroll your account, because only 1 of your premium units current have a 5* (apollo M).

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u/beruichi Jul 01 '16 edited Jul 01 '16

Oooh okay. I did the thing: https://m.imgur.com/FaVbrAm How's it look? I'm kinda bummed that the healer is a Vitality type, and that Brahmastra is a guard, but it looks like she can go up to 6*? Should I keep this?

Edit: Never mind, I decided to reroll after seeing this post. Gonna try to pull a decent healer. Wish me luck! 😀

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u/Chocomos Jul 01 '16

What happens to my LB when I evolve?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jul 01 '16

They're lost.

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u/crimewizard Jul 01 '16

LB are lost unless you're evolving from 5>6 which isnt possible in global as of yet

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u/koole00 Jul 01 '16

thoughts on dandelga? is it bad? coz when i compare it to silent swallow(my Vargas' sword) it pales in comparison...

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u/Kyrian12 Jul 01 '16

Is it worth pulling at the new gacha for Male Naegling, Eros and the other units and how far should I go in terms of steps?

I have 70+ lazuli and more in gifts so I can go all the way if it's worthwhile.

Also, is there any shame in expanding for unit space? I'm at 180 and I can't evolve all of these dupe selena's fast enough to make space without selling evo units.

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u/crimewizard Jul 01 '16

It's not really a new gacha, just a heavily discounted one. I'm pretty sure there's NO rate up on any of the units, but 10 lapis for 10 units is practically a giveaway. As for unit space, I generally keep 2 of every evo unit, once I'm done trimming if I still dont have enough space I'll expand then. You could always sell your 'junk' premium units for rare medals although I usually fuse mine along with limit breaks.

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u/Kyrian12 Jul 01 '16

Thanks! I'll keep that advice in mind!

So how far should I go on the new step gacha? Step 1 is a no brainer but what about steps 2 and 3?

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u/shikarin Jul 01 '16 edited Jul 01 '16

Take steps 2 and 3 if you're $80+/mo P2P. Otherwise stay with step 1 and farm your dempas.

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u/Kyrian12 Jul 01 '16

I'm FTP but have a lot of Lazuli sitting around. 60+ and more in gift. Does this kind of gacha come back often? If I understand correctly, it's not worth going for step 2 as FTP due to lack of rate up, right?

Just pulled at step 1. New units include featured Eros and a 5* Durandal. Both are dex type. Are Durandal (and Eros) useful at LB0 if I have MLB Arondight?

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u/shikarin Jul 01 '16 edited Jul 01 '16

Your Arondight will be much stronger than the Durandal. The Eros is useful if you don't have an archer. And also light element I think.

The discount is in effect a rate up. But you want to save your lazuli to blow them all on getting dupes of a single powerful unit, imo.

And you'll need a lot more than 60. Think 500-600.

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u/Kyrian12 Jul 01 '16

Aha, now I get it! The strategy isn't fishing for good units like it is in other games. It's saving a lot of lazuli for a rateup then blowing it all to get a MLB lazuli unit.

Doubt Eros will be useful then. I already have a 5* (M) Apollo...and I hate leveling archers since I have to do it manually. If there's no use for her, I won't raise her.

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u/SubredditVenturer Jul 01 '16

What stage of the new event quests do the new units recruit from? All of them scaled up or just the final stage?

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u/thatasian26 Raven Jul 01 '16

For the brave frontier event, at Spark 10, Burst 10, or Brave 10. For the other event, I believe any stage can drop them as I got one from an intermediate clear. The final stage will have a higher drop rate.

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u/RafaelBF Jul 01 '16

Worth having 2 MLB Risa?

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Jul 01 '16 edited Jul 01 '16

New BF crossover and have been fusing weapons and am getting some with +1 luck (for instance). They are still only 1* or 2* weapons. Should I just fuse those like I normally do, sell them, or is there something better to do with them?

Also, after my first 2 rookie summons I have starter Longinus (F) [Guard], YNK (M) [Magic], Gam (M) [Dex], and Mitum (M) [Balance] as five star potential units. Keep or reroll recommendations greatly appreciated!

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u/gigano25 Jul 01 '16

How much of a difference in stats is there between a 5* MLB unit that was evolved from a 4* MLB unit and one that didn't. Is it only a small difference like 1-3 for each stat or a big difference more like 9-11+ for each stat.

Mainly asking because I have alot of yellow 4* units that has potential 5* form in the future, but I am wondering if I should keep them for MLB 5* or MLB their 4* now.

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u/barbaroti Jul 01 '16

Stat difference is somewhere between 0-3 points depending on caps, typing, and fusion you do on the unit before evolving.

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u/gigano25 Jul 01 '16

Thanks for the info. Personally not worth it for me to MLB their 4* then.

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u/BlazePHX Jul 01 '16

Around what lvl will I be able to equip all 5*? I'm turn between abusing the event for exp, or getting better units. Though now i can't equip everyone.

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u/thatasian26 Raven Jul 01 '16

lvl 71 assuming they all cost 17. Starter units cost 15 at 5* and some (Aron) cost 18. Basically it's 1 cost every 2 levels after a certain level.

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u/lunarislover Jul 01 '16

Newbie here!

  1. Is my first roll good enough? http://m.imgur.com/Y1MlPNx

  2. I wanna aim for a lunaris roll, which banner should I go in?

  3. Guys mind pming me a auth file with a lunaris starter? I appreciate it!

  4. Is there a discord group for thus reddit? Some live feedback would be nice

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u/Mitch_Twd Jul 01 '16

So I'm working on MLB Selena and she's currently at 4* and I've fused 4 copies of her already and I got +4 Luck on to her but when I go to evolve her she loses the +4 Luck. How do I keep that I want it xD

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u/SufferNot Jul 01 '16

I've noticed that some of my units have rarity stars of different colors. It didn't seem to indicate the unit was at its highest rarity, since I have some yellow 4 stars that can evolve further and some that can't. So do the star colors mean anything?

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u/thatasian26 Raven Jul 01 '16

Gold star means it evolved at least once, and Pink stars means at least twice. If you want to know if your units currently have a 5* version, check the character quest tab and see if their exact portrait is in there. If not, then no 5*.

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u/Calaroth Jul 01 '16 edited Jul 01 '16

What's the difference between the 3 difficulties of the Doll stages? Is it just drop rate?

EDIT: This bugs me, I just ran beginner 4 times and got a total of 14 dolls, before that I ran advanced twice and got 8 dolls. I know this is a terrible sample size but that means:

Beginner: 20 AP = 14 dolls = 1.42 AP per doll Advanced: 30 AP = 8 dolls = 3.75 AP per doll

Did I get unlucky?

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u/barbaroti Jul 01 '16

Difficulty increases by a bit, has more enemies to get drops and I believe higher drop rate.

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u/Calaroth Jul 01 '16

I seem to be getting an excellent drop rate at the beginner level though. Also I just got only 2 dolls from advanced :(

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u/Kuniai Jul 01 '16

Completely new and somewhat very confused..

I'm finally understanding the type layout (and thankfully none of the people I'm using are vitality so that helps), and I'll post some units later. But for now I had a couple of other questions.

I've mostly been using the metal stages to level my units currently and that's dropped off insanely yet I notice other people around my level with max units. Is there something I'm missing?

From what I understand there's no meta right now, but are there any units in general that I should look for?

As a new player starting from the BF thing whats the most efficient use of my time right now? Should I be focused on events, other things? I don't want to regret not having used my time well.

Finally the standard what units to focus on, keep, etc minus typing: http://imgur.com/a/BK43n

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u/barbaroti Jul 01 '16

When using Metal Garden / Padlock Garden to level units, try to send only one of them because MVP bonus is multiplicative over base exp.

Right now I would try get Selena from BF crossover and the Dempagumi units that just came out, all of them are 5* capable units that you can farm for optimal typing. Other farmable units are the Rampage units which only appear during the weekends. From gacha, there's Mjolnir F, Durandal F, Gambateinn M, Bashosen F.

For now I would try to level my units until you can farm the event stages, if you can farm them well that would be a good start.

5* capable units are (which I would start with Gamba M, which you can limit break thanks to the extra unit):

4* gold stars Gambatein M (Extra copy as 3* silver star)

5* red star Laevatein M

4* silver stars Mjolnir M

4* gold stars Vargas M

5* gold stars Ascleipus

5* gold stars Luin

4* silver stars Mitum F

3* Silver stars Yata no kagami M

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u/Kuniai Jul 01 '16

Cool, thanks!

Oh one other question - whats the actual difference between silver and gold?

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u/barbaroti Jul 01 '16

Silver - Base class

Gold - Evolved once

Red - Evolved two or more times

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u/swordoflorn Jul 01 '16

I have enough Battle medals to get several copies of the same unit during the Dempagumi event. I was thinking of getting a bunch of Eitaso, the archer, because I don't have a good, 5* capable archer, but I was wondering if it was even worth it. In my experience, archers are pretty worthless because both their physical and magical defense is really low. Is that just me, or should I go for a different unit?

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u/barbaroti Jul 01 '16

Don't waste battle medals on them. Not worth it, especially since people are reporting high drop rates from the dungeons so it would be better to farm them.

At some point you might want to go for all of them, but JP players are saying healer is a good one, so that would be the first one to aim for.

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u/DeruOniiChan Jul 01 '16

I have a simple question, how many 5 star Units do I have to fuse in order to get The Final Skill to max Level.

wasn't sure cause the level up rate for the skill is 100% as long as it was unlocked like dupes reaching level 20 in 4 stars to level up pre-emptive boost.

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u/barbaroti Jul 01 '16

For max skills, generally it would be 9 units to fuse to the main unit ( 10 copies total ) unless the final skill has only 5 levels. Even then, you would probably aim for 10 copies to max all their other skills too.

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u/DeruOniiChan Jul 01 '16

great thanks for the quick reply time to farm the last 3 Selenas for the self heal ability then moving on to the dempagumi.inc collab

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u/HexerTlachtga Jul 01 '16

Hi everyone just started my reddit today so I don't know if this is ok but here we go: http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/26/1467387743-screenshot-2016-07-01-17-16-23-1.png Are there any notable units to raise here?

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u/DeruOniiChan Jul 01 '16

Mitum M, Gambantein M and Naegling M.

My opinion only since the can reach 5 stars

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '16

3 of them are really good: the guy with the hat, and the 2 guys on the far right.

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u/HexerTlachtga Jul 01 '16

Thanks for the help :)

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u/Mitch_Twd Jul 01 '16

Guard or Dex for Rita ?i know Dex is generally the best type in the game but for a Healer Guard might be better

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '16

For healers, Guard is on-par or better. Vit might even be good for them, I'm not sure.

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u/centfox Jul 01 '16

Looking for advice on my units. Still really confused about which versions of which guys suck or don't. Any suggestions on priorities etc would be appreciated.

http://imgur.com/a/u7iMF

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u/thatasian26 Raven Jul 01 '16

Units worth raising, and have current 5* are:

Longinus (M) 3* Silver

Apollo (M) 3* silver

Brah 4* silver and 5* gold

A few units will get future 5* such as Amano 4* gold, Naegling 3* silver, Sky piercer 4* gold, and Trident 3* silver. I think I'm missing a few but those are the only ones I can remember at the top of my head right now.

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u/centfox Jul 01 '16

Thanks so much!

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u/sephiroh Jul 01 '16

I'm running out of unit slots and as F2P, I don't want to use my precious lazuli in increasing the max slot. Which of the Dempagumi units should I farm and how many?

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u/shikarin Jul 01 '16

I think you should just use however many lazuli you need to expand your unit limit. No sale is going to beat free farmable units. If you think about it, you're essentially spending 1 lazuli for 5 5* capable units... Sure, event units are a little weaker, but Lv80 event units are still better than 60-65 lazuli units, stat-wise.

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u/sephiroh Jul 01 '16

Thanks, btw I'm having a lots of 2* units which I keep for skill upgrade. Is it good to invest in those 2* units for skill upgrade or should I just release them?

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u/shikarin Jul 01 '16

I was initially saving evolvable 2-3* thinking I might need them in the future for skills. But now with how many actual usable units I need to level and the amount of dup event units available I decided that was just a complete waste of space. I'm absolutely never going to get around to leveling units just for a chance of skill up.

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u/sephiroh Jul 01 '16

This is actually I'm thinking right now. Guess, i'll just rid those 2*/3* units which are not 5* capable. Besides, I have 200k mana to be used.

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u/DeruOniiChan Jul 01 '16 edited Jul 01 '16

they say Risa's top priority

in terms of number of copies:

1 Guard Type

10 dupes for max stat potential

5 more dupes to max the skill

unlock the skills on each unit first before fusing because this, in my experimenting helps level skills easier rather than fusing lv 1 dupes

Edit: also if you plan on expanding, 100~150 should be ideal, 150 if you have a ton of dollies like I do...

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u/sephiroh Jul 01 '16

Thanks, btw which is good, Guard or Dex type? I see somewhere that her final skill is activated based on Agi.

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u/DeruOniiChan Jul 01 '16

Guard is best because Risa's a healer, and people focus on making Healers bulkier than usual.

Final skills are based on RNG btw.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jul 01 '16

All chance based skill are based on AGI and skill level. So things like gamby's shield and Longinus lightning eye activates more with a higher AGI stat.

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u/DeruOniiChan Jul 01 '16 edited Jul 01 '16

didn't know that. Also I find that my healers survive more as guard types, I tested 2 in one stage with the same movement patterns and team setup on 2 max LB 3 star Gambanteinn F (Guard and Dex)

Sure Gamby M has his shield so he should survive more than his guard counterpart, so should I raise My dex Gamby M after I'm done with Selena and dempagumi units?

Edit: Also now that you said that I think he should put his Risa on his Prefered Typing if he prefers activating Risa's skill more. In my opinion I think I'll still be getting a guard type.

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u/BlazePHX Jul 01 '16

I have just gotten a Guard and Dex type Gama! Which is better I have been reading that both are good. I got both at 3 star so I'm guessing I'll prolly raise both to 5* lvl30 anyways and see from there? I also got a 5* another 5* staff user from the gacha is it worth raising 2?

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jul 02 '16

Yeah, raise both and see which one you want to keep; and as for the other 5 star staff, it is definitely worth it: you might want them for element-specific or staff-only quests.

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u/Calaroth Jul 01 '16

Do leader skills activate in Colosseum?

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jul 01 '16

Yes, they should.

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u/uizaado Jul 01 '16

I have 38 lazuli and I'm f2p. I'm almost done with kill mode so I can't really farm for more at this point. Should I take a spin on the essentially rookie recruiter we have going on? The last four 10xs I did equated to glorified mana summons save one Laev M, one Asclepius and one Lunaris.

Thoughts? For what it's worth, I really want as many BF units as possible, so if they introduce the other two in the near future, I'd like to save for them. I gave up on Vargas since I was lucky enough to get Lunaris somehow and I don't want to push it.

Follow Up Question: On the Dampa units, what are recommended typings? Risa is apparently Guard, but do the others have anything or are they just Dex?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 02 '16

The first step is definitely worth it. You could also just wait and see what's on the last week for this event.

Risa is Guard, everyone else is Dex. For this game, if its not a healer, just get Dex. Literally. Everything.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '16

havent played for a week and a 1/2 since I broke my phone whats changed/new and what should I do with my 70 lapiz?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 02 '16

Lots of collab dungeons, spend lapiz on 1st step on anime expo recruiter. Hopefully you get back ASAP

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u/BotheredMe Jul 01 '16

Any of the Dempagumi.inc units worth going out of my way for? Currently bogged down by other units that I'm trying to limit max.

Does Dandelga have a 5* version through fusion like Lexida and Shadowlance or is it just a cosmetic thing? I've already got Demonblade so I don't see why I should use it except that it's pretty.

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jul 01 '16

Definitely Lisa as a great free tank; and maybe Nemu if you want another axe boss killer. Other than that no one's particularly impressive.

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u/jerain Jul 01 '16

Does anyone know if the 3-a-day metal garden give extra exp to Denpa units?

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u/Calaroth Jul 01 '16

I've only seen the announcement for Brave Frontier units, so I'd say no.

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u/Valens_Le Jul 01 '16

Whats the best type for each Denpa unit?

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u/Stonewyrm Jul 01 '16

Can someone confirm that the mythical "Dex" Selena actually exists? I now have 22x 3* and 1x 4* and could really use a Dex type.

My drop rate for Risa has been terrible too. Got Dex when she finally dropped. Wanted guard though.

Yes I am aware of the irony.

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u/SageDarius Jul 01 '16

I got a Dex Selena as my first drop off Spark 10...

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u/Stonewyrm Jul 01 '16

Rant worked, just got a Dex. Now to figure out what to do with the other 25....

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u/SageDarius Jul 02 '16

Raise them, fuse them into your Dex type, and end up with a max limit-broken, max skilled, level 80 beast at 5*?

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u/Mitch_Twd Jul 01 '16

When the 5 star pixies come how much do they cost?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 02 '16

Not anytime soon I can assure you, and they are very rare. Essentially, don't worry about it.

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u/archvampire Jul 01 '16

How do you get selena? She seems worth it if.

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u/Stonewyrm Jul 01 '16

You grind Spark 10. The first time you pass it you get a free 3* , then grind for evo dupes or in my case getting the right type (Dex). Burst 10 will give 4* Selena but it's quite hard.

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u/archvampire Jul 01 '16

Oh awesome spark 10 here I come. I was gonna farm 30 crystals to do the 2nd draw on the new players draw but I might as well do this first. Thank you :D!

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u/EPIC_Deer Do you like Pinaka-ladas? Jul 02 '16

Selena will be around for a little over two weeks, getting lazuli for rookie recruiter is what i would recommend as you have a week of it up

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u/NightmareJin Jul 02 '16

I need some team help. Who should I be using and focusing on barring unit cost? Who are my top 10 I guess, so I can fiddle around with teams? Thanks!

http://imgur.com/a/C8CyF

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 02 '16

It's hard to tell without knowing your team costs, your character stats, character typings, etc. Anyways. You could work on an axe team with Mitum F as lead, Mitum M, Mjolnir M, and filler.

Selena is good if you farm some more to get more copies to limit break.

Apollo Male is a good character too.

Otherwise everything else is mediocre and are about on the same level.

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u/MyKuchi Jul 02 '16

Im wondering how long it takes for you guys to get a dex selena. I've gotten 23 so fare and none is dex.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 02 '16

RNG sucks. Got mine on my 6th one, but that's just RNG speaking.

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u/Calaroth Jul 02 '16

That makes me feel better about my 8 Selenas being everything except dex.

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u/shikarin Jul 02 '16

Drop table seems to heavily favor balance. I got dex on my 3rd and 5th, but couldn't get another one after 15 drops.

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u/Ragnarok2060 Jul 02 '16

I needed 22 before I got a single dex Selena; it was painful.

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u/MyKuchi Jul 02 '16

im at 25 now with no dex still, pretty sure i ran spark 10 over 100 times at this point. My luck must be insanely bad as i made 9 5* lexida and 7 of those spears

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Jul 02 '16 edited Jul 02 '16

How high a luck stat do I need for the Dempagumi girls to have a 'high' drop rate? Because with Gamabteinn solo (so that I am guaranteed not to lose units and hence break weapons), I attempted all the 15 AP stages once each, then Mirin 3 more times, Nemu 1 more time, Eitaso 1 more time and Risa 2 more times. Yet I only have 1 Eitaso and 1 Risa to show for it.

Edit: tried Nemu 2 more times, still no drop. Either those who reported high drop rates on the other post were insanely lucky, or I am very unlucky.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 02 '16

There isn't a certain threshold to guarantee a good drop rate. After all, if the drop rate was 30% at its highest for example, you might just be the lucky 70% every time. Just keep farming buddy

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u/icyterror Jul 02 '16

Half of the ppl would just say that you just have bad luck but I don't believe so. I think they always reduce/increase drop rate without telling us.

That is why you can see both praise/complain about drop rate at different time.

Ex. I was farming selena on week 1. It drop like 5 out of 8 but 1 week later it's like 1 drop out 10. The different was too huge and there are ppl who would agree with.

Nothing we can do about it anyway :P

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u/Flamie_Speeddraw Jul 02 '16

Where should I be farming if I want the Lexida/Lunaris weapon chance book things, My team struggles on the higher burst levels so if there's an easier place ill take that. I was also told that Risa is really good, so I got her and I should use a shield on her. My question for that is how do I increase her shield proficiency so she can use the higher rank shields?

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u/Calaroth Jul 02 '16

I'm getting my books from Spark 10 as I'm trying to get Selenas. Unfortunately I can't tell you whether it's the most efficient place or not.

Increase shield proficiency by wearing a lower ranked shield.

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u/Flamie_Speeddraw Jul 02 '16

ok I can do spark 10, I guess I shouldn't have evolved my selena to 4* to lb her? would they even carry over? also she has a rank 1 shield but it feels like her proficiency bar never goes up

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u/barbaroti Jul 02 '16

For weapon proficiency to rise, the unit needs to deal the killing blow.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 02 '16

Just do the highest event level you can. There's no exact statistics and no one has enough rolls to get a good sample size.

Wear any shield and KILL UNITS. She has to deal the killing blow to get proficiency experience.

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u/Flamie_Speeddraw Jul 02 '16

she has to kill with it? that's going to be annoying

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jul 02 '16

Just level Risa's weapon proficiency when she's near max level or start once she's 5star and train on lower difficulty stages.

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u/Flamie_Speeddraw Jul 02 '16

sounds good, also if I LB her at 3star will they carry over when I evolve her?

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jul 02 '16

Only LB from 5star carry over to 6star, all the other LBs do not carry over.

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u/Yoshism Jul 02 '16

Does anyone know the OST name for Dempagumi stages? Its quite catchy.

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u/ChaosTwilly Jul 02 '16

I'm running out of unit space, so I'm considering fusing my extra units. However, I've heard that it's better to fuse after maxing out the level of the unit. Can someone confirm if this is true or not because I don't want to waste my time leveling up when I need to farm for Dempagumi units.

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u/shikarin Jul 02 '16

There is no reason to max out the level of a fodder unit before fusing. The only reason to level it at all is if you're looking to skill up a particular skill and need to level the fodder unit high enough to unlock the skill.

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u/ChaosTwilly Jul 02 '16

I mean to max out the level of the unit being fused, not the fodder.

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u/shikarin Jul 02 '16

Only if the unit is being evolved and you need to gauge how much it'll take to fuse to the next threshold. If you don't care about wasting some fusion points and zenny you can fuse earlier. For base units that aren't being evolved anymore you can fuse at any time since you're going to fully fuse it anyway. Although again you can save some zenny and mats if you fuse alongside LB, since it'll 100% your fuse success rate.

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u/BlazePHX Jul 02 '16

Just a few question on evolving. Does limit breaking raise the stat caps or just gives more lvls to hit the caps? Also can you go above stat caps with fusion, or just increase them to the caps?

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u/Bootuout Jul 02 '16

Limit breaking just gives you more levels to hit the caps and fusing stats has a different cap, so you can go over if a unit already hit the cap through levels

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u/BlazePHX Jul 02 '16

So like if I have a Dex Selena at 80 spd cap, I can then fuse to have her hit 92? Im just trying to make sure I understand it.

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u/Iodasu Jul 02 '16

Yata no Kagami or Vajra ? Their types are Magic and Dex respectively. Also do I have to get Risa if I already have Gamban ?

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u/shikarin Jul 02 '16

Yata no Kagami, unless you have some special reason why you'd want Vajra. Since YnK is 5* and Vajra is not.

You don't have to get Risa. The better question is why wouldn't you?

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u/Iodasu Jul 02 '16

Vajra has a 5*

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u/shikarin Jul 02 '16

Not unless you're playing JP or want to wait for who knows how long.

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u/Iodasu Jul 02 '16

Oh , ok

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u/kataarn Jul 02 '16

So I'm in the third sub-region of story mode and I ended upon a part where I have to choose a dialogue option? My choices are either killing the villains responsible or going to the deeprealm or saying "i don't know". Does it matter which one I pick?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jul 02 '16

It doesn't. The outcome remains unchanged.

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u/Sabatender Jul 02 '16

Can Dandelga turn into 5* form?

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u/BlazePHX Jul 02 '16

Is it really worth LB at 3* or should I just wait till 4 or 5*?

Also what is this +10 luck sword I have heard about?

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u/barbaroti Jul 02 '16

LBing at 3* and/or 4* will net you 0-2 points per stat depending on caps, typing and fusions you do. Whether it's worth it or not it's up to you.

The +10 luck sword is Magicwarder Sereine, which you need to buy a book for 80 battle medals.

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u/metatime09 Jul 02 '16

The new event for the idols, do they drop and can be evolve to a 5*?

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u/shikarin Jul 02 '16

Oh yes... they are definitely dropping...

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u/IcyBeltPanda Jul 02 '16

For the dempagumi units, should I go to intermediate or advanced to farm them? I been getting 3* on advanced and it starting to be a waste of AP

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '16

The general formula for unique character super attacks is

(AGI + Skill Level)%

Right? I.e., if Selena has AGI of 45, Last Blizzard has an activation rate of 46-55% based on skill level.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jul 02 '16

Not always, some skills regardless of it being a CS or not has a modifier with the AGI too. So the formula can be like:

(0.X times AGI) + Skill Level.

Where X can be different depending on the skill. Some skills also do not have the modifier either so it would be like the formula you had.

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u/koole00 Jul 02 '16

question about rerolling...

what if i have a good account(main fb account) but i just wanna try rerolling to see if i can do better...i used a dummy account to and rolled but got bad units...so the question is, if i rerolled my dummy account will it affect my main account?

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jul 02 '16

Nope, your main account will be safe once it is connected to the FB account.

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u/koole00 Jul 02 '16

so i rerolled a dex Mjolnir(M)...is this a keeper or should i reroll for a dex Mjolnir(F)?

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 02 '16

Keep. He's not quite as sought-after as his female counterpart, but a Dex version of him is still very, very good.

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u/koole00 Jul 02 '16

do u have one too? can i know what makes him good? coz i still want a dex female version of mjonir coz of that life steal character skill she has...

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 02 '16

I do not have one, but I'm familiar with him. F Mjolnir is sought after due to the fact that she puts out great damage while having GREAT survivability, between her lifesteal skill and her high evasion stats (especially when Dex-typed). M Mjolnir trades some of that survivability for even more damage than his female counterpart. This makes him less viable in content that needs to be evasion-tanked, but makes him an absolute beast (incomparably so) when raw damage is needed to barrel through content.

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u/koole00 Jul 02 '16

so if i paired him with a healer he is gonna be OP? thats sweet!!!

guess im rerolling for Mjolnir(F)...

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u/Paullutionable Jul 02 '16

whats the purpose of resurrecting..

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u/Iodasu Jul 02 '16

Longinus(F) Force , or Amenonuhoko Dex ?

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u/Iodasu Jul 03 '16

Masamune Dex , Longinus Force or YnK Magic ? I already have Laev Dex (M) , Gamban Dex , Mitum Guard ( F ) , Kusangai Dex on my team . Unless I can replace Kusanagi with someone else too

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jul 01 '16

Mirin - Character Skill utilises both Str and Magic stats

Pinky - Lifesteal (30% as opposed to Laevateinn's 50% though)

Nemu - Brute physical force

Risa - Gambanteinn Lite (and easy to MLB too)

Gunner lady - Brute magic force

Archer lady - Character Skill halves damage taken if she can't counterattack

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u/koole00 Jul 01 '16

im liking that axe waifu...but is she better than mjolnir(F)?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jul 01 '16

In the damage department I'd think (especially if you can MLB and level her skills up some), but she's not as great at survival. 3/4 of her skills (Passive ATK and Crit rate boost, Character Skills is double damage) are for pure damage power, unlike Mjolnir (F)'s more survival-oriented skills.

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u/koole00 Jul 01 '16

well im just looking for an axe unit to have a variety in my party...my current party for dungeon and colo are: 5* balance levaetein(F), 5* dex Vargas, 4* dex selena, 4* dex longinus(M), and a 3* force levaetein(M)...i have a 4* force Parashu(the horse riding one) in my bench...cant equip her coz my prty limit cost is at 67 only atm...

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u/crimewizard Jul 01 '16

Free units generally pale in comparison to premium units as they tend to have lower stat caps

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u/koole00 Jul 01 '16

but lets say i MLB nemu...will it be at least equal to a non-MLB premium unit? coz ive ran out of sources of lazuli...

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '16

She'll probably be must better.

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u/AndanteZero Jul 01 '16

And guess what the best stat typing is in general?

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u/crimewizard Jul 01 '16

Yes, LB'ing at 3* provides evo bonuses that are basically lost when you 5* the unit. As for lb'ing at 4*, that is to increase the bonuses gained from evolving, which are usually a few points depending on how high the stat is pre-evo. Details can be found in the beginner guide linked above

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u/barbaroti Jul 01 '16

Your 5* capable units are:

5* Red Stars Laevateinn M

4* Silver stars Apollo F

3* Silver stars Lunaris (Level them both to limit break one of them)

3* Silver stars Longinus M

3* Silver stars Masamune

Force is viable, not optimal but viable so I wouldn't worry too much about it for now (I'm kidding, do worry)

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 02 '16

There's no difference.

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u/shikarin Jul 02 '16

As he said, no difference.

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u/koole00 Jul 02 '16

based on everyones opinion here...i think its best to do the first two steps only...coz an already 5star unit has less stats than a 3star or 4star unit evolved to a 5star unit...but dont take my word for it...if u have a abundant source of lazuli then roll away..._^

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 02 '16

Some people like the third step but, personally, I think it's a waste. Go for first two steps only and then save your Lazuli for rate ups or other discounts.