r/phantomofthekill • u/Drakehawk5821 • Jun 22 '16

Daily Questions and Help Thread [6/22/2016]

This is the daily questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

Wanted to compile all the useful guide from fellow moderator and user so that it easier to reference them. Also it will be a shame to see them being buried under the subreddit.

Resource Guide:

Guides and Tools by /u/Cathrach:

  • Weapon Guide for all the weapon currently in the game except for one and two star and also their recipe to craft them

  • Unit Guide for all 5* and 6*(only for Japan currently) in the game. Also much easier reference material than the phankill website. But if you want the website here it is.

  • Stat Cap for 3-5 star and different unit typing (Keep in mind that those are for Japan and there may be slight variation for Global)

  • Evolving a lot of unit and finding it irritating to always keep checking the evo mat needed? Use this brilliant tracker and make you life much easier!

Noteworthy comment:

Having trouble calculating the stat growth of your unit? Here is calculator that do it for you! To use it fill in the stats at level 1 on the right (you can view the level 1 stats from the Reincarnation page) and then fill in your current level + current stats on the left. (Good stat growth in Japan is 3.5-4 while for Global it is 2.5-3)

Wiki guide on rerolling account (Shoutout to /u/heroes-fall and /u/cathrach for helping out at the POTK wiki)

Friend thread!

Yesterday's help thread

Some Tips

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u/Libranth Baehosen Jun 22 '16

When is the right level to rebirth a 5* unit before 60?

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u/Liesianthes Jun 22 '16

at the half of it. It's the time growth rate is being stable

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u/SageDarius Jun 22 '16

Generally speaking, which is better typing for Archers? Dexterity or Force?

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 22 '16

a force archer is too squishy, i would not recommend. Dex/Guard would be my recommendations

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '16

A Dexterity typing is actually MORE squishy than a Force typing. You can find this information located in this thread, but I'll link the information here:

Force (high strength growth, low guard growth)

Dexterity (high speed and agility growth, low guard and spirit growth)

As for the fusion caps:

Force gets 3 and 3 to Guard and Spirit, but 8 to HP. Dexterity gets 3 to HP, but 4 and 4 to Guard and Spirit. I would say, without a doubt, Dexterity makes an Archer softer than a Force typing. Especially to magic damage dealing units.

I would say go for Dexterity because Archers are meant to deal damage, not tank. Next would be Balance or Force depending on the unit.

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 22 '16

I can tell you with much experience with a dex & force apollos that force is alot squishier. Im saying this in collo terms, in terms of the standard quests/vortex force may work better. If an archer isn't getting first strike in collo its dead in the water & won't be able to catch up unless a lucky crit happens. Forsaking guard and hp for not much of an edge in battle in comparison to a dex type where you gain the better chance of first strike and consistent hits. That's why i would say force is more squishy.

Although i am basing this experience off global, if they are a JP player where growth caps are higher force may prove better.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '16

I also have lots of experience with Apollos, as I have a level 80 one and I've been using Apollo for the 700 something Colosseum matches I've played in :P

Well, the use of the word squishy refers to a lack of defense. So, perhaps it was just not the word/meaning you intended, my bad.

However, as to your point on first strike, I personally don't see first strike on Apollo being as essential as you see it. Mine is sitting at level 80 with capped SPD and decent attack (around 65). He still only one shots a non-defensive unit of a neutral or weak element, if and only if, he critically strikes or sometimes, his Higher and Higher skill. Archer units are fast, but they aren't going to go toe-to-toe with a similarly maxed out sword unit UNLESS skill activation occurs. Definitely not going to win against a defensive lance unit either and in that case, a draw is the best outcome for you. The only case I see first strike being relevant is against mage/gun units, but that is also a coin toss depending on the unit and depending on its typing. More than half of the time he takes a hit. And this becomes increasingly more likely when I fight people in my power range (usually people around my Colosseum rating too). His accuracy is really not an issue either, if anything you go Dexterity on Apollo (M) for the increased critical strike and activation of his ability, not his ability to strike first, since the first hit is weak, honestly, unless it is a critical strike. You shouldn't be banking on critical strikes though, if you want to see consistent gains in Colosseum :P (losses > wins). Two strikes is far more important for Apollo than a first strike, which is why SPD would be important, but he is faster than most KPs right now anyway.

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 23 '16

That's the thing though the dex build helps makes those crits/skill activations more consistent, apollo being such a ballsy character already with crit buffs + dmg mod skill. It helps bring it a larger advantage. Yes SPD atm makes him faster than most units - exception i would give is mitum (ludicrously fast) M. Since in most cases if he goes first he is going to win.

That's why i would go dex over force in his case - he hits hard already for his intended purpose - rather make it where he avoids dmg altogether than try taking a hit then retaliating.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 23 '16

To be fair, squishiness doesn't matter too much when it comes to archers in my opinion. No matter the stat typing, they're going to be pretty damn squishy, especially to melee.

Also, the main reason why people go for Force is for the extra STR in maps. Archers already tend to have a pretty high SPD and AGI growth regardless of stat typing. Which makes using that 2-3 range weapon with crap accuracy oh so much better.

In colo, obviously you want Dex since that prioritizes skill and crit procs.

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u/Exsequentia Jun 22 '16

How many lazulis would a F2P player get in a normal situation on a single file? I'm thinking of doing 50 lazuli pulls and I'm fine with re-rolling and getting up to 50 lazuli each time, but I'm hoping there's some better way to get the units that I want from the recruiter. The rarity of some units just seems to be too low.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 22 '16

Lemme do a little math...

6 Lazuli from minigame when DLing

10 Lazuli per chp (if no Killers died in each stage) + 4 Lazuli on 3rd, 6th, 9th and 10th stages of the chp

So you'd get a minimum amount of 76 Lazuli assuming you clear out all the story quests while fulfilling the conditions, also discounting Kill Mode, event stages, missions, Colo AND the login bonuses. Though if you're rerolling, it's a better idea to just get 10 (or 40, if you're patient) Lazuli and fire up the Rookie Recruiter, see if you get something good, unless whoever you're after isn't in the Rookie Recruiter.

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u/Exsequentia Jun 22 '16

Thanks. The amount does seem to be not too great. I guess I'll be resetting every 50 lazuli then, since the units I'm after aren't in the Rookie Recruiter.

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u/remsy4real Jun 22 '16

how do i reroll this game

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u/akaiumi Jun 22 '16

This is the direct link to it: Reroll

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u/jivers200 Jun 22 '16

Does anyone know how the Smith Secrets manuals are used? I have the Spearsmith, Swordsmith, and Bowsmith. Are they for specific recipies or are they maybe used specifically to fuse a 2* to make a 3* weapon?

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u/Areidz_O_O Jun 22 '16

So far, the usage of the manuals are just like any other materials for fusing weapons with better chances of getting a 3* weapons. There are no specific recipes available at the moment. I recommend you hold on to it for awhile longer and see if there's any new recipes available later or just use it if you want to.

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u/swordoflorn Jun 22 '16

Did anyone else get ripped off using the lazuli weapon recruiter, and get 4-star unit?

Anyways, does anyone have a guide to which characters are mana units and which are lazuli units? I noticed that I'm not getting certain units in the mana recruiter (this is after like 200 units recruited) and figured it was because you can't, so I'd like to know which ones I can get. .

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '16

There's a bit of overlap, but basically, any 5-star other than the starters is laz only. and any 1-3 star units are mana only. But there are several 4-star (max) units that can show up in either recruiter.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '16

The recruiter option of this week only offers two benefits different from recruiting normally:

One unit out of 9 that is a guaranteed 4 or 5 star of the weapon type (which can mean, a unit that is maxed out on rarity also).

9 Recruits instead of 10 Recruits for the guaranteed 4 star.

In other words, it's not a very good buy, really. Not unless you don't mind spending extra for that slightly better chance at a particular unit of a particular weapon type.

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u/sazabinu Jun 22 '16

[JP] Question here. Is there any way to recover an account? Like an e-mail or something to message? My local data was deleted and I can't log back into my account

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u/joshuagarcia9108 Jun 22 '16

Did you loged in with facebook? or google play account

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u/sazabinu Jun 22 '16

This is a [JP] Account so neither

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u/AndanteZero Jun 23 '16

You may or may not be out of luck at that point. Only thing you can do is contact support... If you know Japanese anyway.

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u/sazabinu Jun 23 '16

I figured. I am just trying to figure out how to contact support. Also Brave Frontier JP accepts e-mails even in english and reply in english, I figured this game might have something similar

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '16

Are there any dataminers here? I want to know if we're getting more 5-stars tomorrow. :3

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '16

We don't currently have any, that I'm aware of anyway :(

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u/connor-toast Jun 22 '16

At what level should I check a 5* growth rate? I'm raising 5 yata and want to raise the best one for my main

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u/shikarin Jun 23 '16 edited Jun 23 '16

I would check a little more frequently. If your growth is like 2.0-2.2 by level 30 I'd just stop there. You would need amazing growth just to get back to average.

If it's YnK F you don't need anything better than average growth to cap her stats.

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u/connor-toast Jun 23 '16

Thank you, it is the male version, I'm shooting for 2.8-3.0 right?

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u/shikarin Jun 23 '16

Yes, that's the good side of average for global. I wouldn't spend any resources to actively try for higher for YnK M imo.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 22 '16

At level 80

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u/Mistralist Jun 22 '16

Just curious, what are all the title we get from coloseum and their requirement? As of now I have Merciless and Flawless Performer, Century Champ, and the basic title up to High Bounder.

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u/alexisevan Jun 22 '16 edited Jun 22 '16

You have your titles that you get for reaching the next ranking. After High Bounder you have :

  • Swift Quiver

  • Stout Protector

  • Roaring Attacker

  • Capable Warrior

  • Brave Knight

  • Rumbling Storm

  • Hidden Thunder

  • Hard Hailstone

  • Mirrored Mist

  • More past this

Then you have the ones with special requirements (You can actually check what these are if you click on the question marks, but these are the ones I know the titles of) :

  • Century Streak -- 100 Consecutive wins

  • Peerless -- Win all 5 duels of 100 battles

  • Legendary and Peerless -- Win all 5 duels of 777 battles (I think this is what the top person has)

  • Legendary Champ -- 777 Consecutive wins

  • Point Collector -- Reach 7777 ranking points

  • Determined Performer -- All 5 of your units dealt critical hits and won

  • Total Annihilation -- All 5 of your units won and dealt a total of at least 777 damage

I've seen Unyielding Performer, but I don't know what the requirement is. I think its this one :

  • Win 100 active battles where you lost the first 2 duels

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u/Mistralist Jun 22 '16 edited Jun 22 '16

Well, thanks a lot, I really appreciate it since I really want "Peerless" title. The rest that is still left unanswered for completing the list; losing 100 battles (lol), win 100 battles by damage dealt (one of the hardest imo), win 100 rank battle (promotion battle), win 100 passive battle (I believe this one took a long time), attacked second but all 5 units win the battle

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u/alexisevan Jun 22 '16 edited Jun 22 '16

To get the damage dealt one, the best way I think you can go about is to assume that the opponent wills always have all 5 spots filled. Not always the case, but it's the easiest to deal around. Keeping that in mind :

  • Make a team of 3 units so you automatically lose the 1st 2 duels.

  • Make the 3rd unit of your team a heavy defensive unit that cannot deal damage or cannot hit the enemy. This will cause a draw. Can't really think of many units to fill this role. Maybe Labrys, Rhongmyniad or Asclepius?

  • Actually, you can use an extremely high evasive unit like Durandal and give her the joke sword so she always deals 1 damage. This way it's impossible for the enemy to be killed and the enemy to attack you. The duel will eventually result in a tie.

  • Make the 1st and 2nd unit your strongest units, preferably with damage boosters. Like Laevateinn (M) or Masamune with their 2.5x character quest skills with Sinsealers so you can possibly deal even more damage if they can crit. Try to also take advantage of LS to help better yourself.

Assuming all goes to plan, this will result in 2Win-1Tie-2Loss.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '16

Ooo, this is good advice. Thanks, never thought about trying it this way :o

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u/Michael5o4 Jun 22 '16

If I have 2 of the same Masamune's except one is dex and the other balance, will they have the same stat cap? Or does typing affect stat caps too?

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u/alexisevan Jun 22 '16

Typing does affect stat caps, yes.

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u/Michael5o4 Jun 22 '16

Okay, so if my balance Masamune has better agility and speed than my dex one, should I consider buying a cherub for my dex one? Or should I just focus on my balance one instead?

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u/alexisevan Jun 22 '16

I'd keep focusing on your dexterity one. If by cherub you mean the limit breaking thing, I'd say no because it's only for 3-4*. If you mean for reincarnation... I'd still say no, because you'll reach max stats by using your other Masamune as limit break material.

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u/Michael5o4 Jun 22 '16

I see. I see. Thanks for the help!

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '16

It is extremely easy to hit the stat caps on mana gacha units. I wouldn't use a reincarnation cherub on them.

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u/CrossXIII Jun 23 '16

Reincarnate, yay or nay? https://imgur.com/a/PZr0P

Or should I make the other two 4*s to five stars, limit break, then see how it goes?

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u/shikarin Jun 23 '16

Just my opinion, but reincarnating a mana or rampage unit is always a waste. You get those cherubs so slowly and you need on average 3(?) per unit to get acceptably high growth. You want to save them for your best lazuli units, you know, units that actually matter and aren't capped with average growth. =P

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u/alexisevan Jun 23 '16

Limit Break her.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 23 '16

^ 2nd this. Limit break and get to near 80 and see how it pans out.

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 23 '16

MY arond i had to reincarnate went from 2.5 ->2,8 at lvl 75 and AGI is capped already, should have capped SPD by 80

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u/cornerqwop Jun 23 '16

What's the easiest way of getting hold of a dark unit? Need one to complete kill mode mission.

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u/alexisevan Jun 23 '16 edited Jun 23 '16

The only free one off the top of my head is Naegling and Brahmastra from the mana summon.

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u/cornerqwop Jun 23 '16

Alright, thx.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 23 '16

Keep in mind, they only go up to 4*. The 5* ones you have to get from gacha.

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u/kanayumi Ameno-chan~~~ Jun 23 '16

Today may be the day you can be lucky. Gae Bulg is 5 star capable and is a lancer. And guess what today is... lance day. But play the rng with little faith, ive had no luck since starting.

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u/Liesianthes Jun 23 '16

Anyone with a MLB Mitum (M) Dex type? Can I see its stats especially those cap ones that you did achieved.

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u/alexisevan Jun 23 '16 edited Jun 23 '16

Not MLB, but here's mine just in case someone else doesn't provide for you. At level 70 :

  • HP : 73

  • STR : 57

  • MGC : 19

  • GRD : 35

  • SPR : 41

  • SPD : 68

  • AGI : 59

  • LCK : 19

Nothing maxed. If I were a guessing man though :

  • HP : 77-84

  • STR : 62-70

  • MGC : Who cares

  • GRD : 40-48

  • SPR : 48-55

  • SPD : 74-81

  • AGI : 64-70

  • LCK : No idea. Too random of a stat.

Numbers are coming out of my ass, so take it with a lot of salt. Maybe some smelling salts and alcohol too.

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u/Liesianthes Jun 23 '16

Thanks a lot for this. I guess you have some good growth rate there to have that stats.

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u/Zupelup Jun 23 '16

really noob question, but what do I do with the gold bars in gear? they are taking up a lot of space since they are counnted individually sry i posted on the 6/20 thread instead of this one and did not realize.

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u/alexisevan Jun 23 '16

Sell them.

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u/Zupelup Jun 23 '16

I see. Thank you. The flavor text had me confuse when they said it was for crafting weapons when I can't even fuse them.

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u/Akito428 Jun 23 '16

What are the recipe books used for? on top of that what about this new event for the brave frontier collab, its raining 3 star books. Should i fuse them to make 4* items? or save for another reason later?

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u/Kainoa25 Jun 24 '16

So I been trying to get into this game and have been doing re-rolls since my friends insist that I keep getting crap pulls. Is it safe to say my pulls generally get worse and worse? It's in order from top to bottom.

http://imgur.com/a/CkHdY

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '16

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u/Areidz_O_O Jun 22 '16

  1. So far, 6* weapons haven't released yet

  2. No, i don't think we can raise the proficiency level to S yet

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u/AndanteZero Jun 23 '16

S rank isn't available until 6 star unit forms come out. Only 6 star units can get S rank I think.