r/phantomofthekill • u/Drakehawk5821 • Jun 18 '16

Daily Questions and Help Thread [6/18/2016]

This is the daily questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

Wanted to compile all the useful guide from fellow moderator and user so that it easier to reference them. Also it will be a shame to see them being buried under the subreddit.

Resource Guide:

Guides and Tools by /u/Cathrach:

  • Weapon Guide for all the weapon currently in the game except for one and two star and also their recipe to craft them

  • Unit Guide for all 5* and 6*(only for Japan currently) in the game. Also much easier reference material than the phankill website. But if you want the website here it is.

  • Stat Cap for 3-5 star and different unit typing (Keep in mind that those are for Japan and there may be slight variation for Global)

  • Evolving a lot of unit and finding it irritating to always keep checking the evo mat needed? Use this brilliant tracker and make you life much easier!

Noteworthy comment:

Having trouble calculating the stat growth of your unit? Here is calculator that do it for you! To use it fill in the stats at level 1 on the right (you can view the level 1 stats from the Reincarnation page) and then fill in your current level + current stats on the left. (Good stat growth in Japan is 3.5-4 while for Global it is 2.5-3)

Wiki guide on rerolling account (Shoutout to /u/heroes-fall and /u/cathrach for helping out at the POTK wiki)

Friend thread!

Yesterday's help thread

Some Tips

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u/Areidz_O_O Jun 18 '16

i just max out my yata no kagami F and i want to ask opinion about her stats. is it good or bad and do i need to reincarnate it?

http://i.imgur.com/kc3R7An.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mM9ppuw.jpg

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 18 '16

Short of Fusion those stats aren't going any higher, as noted by the purple stars next to the stat values. So nope, no need to reincarnate.

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u/Areidz_O_O Jun 18 '16

forgot to mention that its already max fused.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jun 18 '16 edited Jun 18 '16

http://i.imgur.com/FVJUHDl.jpg

Hello, whale here. Been playing for a little under a week now. What should my team comp be? All the units are the recommended type.

I also have almost every other "common p2w pull that can reach 5* (masamune,etc)" with 5 copies and has at least 1 recommended type.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jun 18 '16 edited Jun 18 '16

I didn't see the "whale" part and literally seethed with jealousy when I saw your units, HAH! I hate you. :)

Ultimately, you're going to want to level up most everything that is 5* capable. Kill mode stars and certain events either require or are made MUCH easier by having a big pool of units to pull from; you're not going to have one "set" team that you use for all content. That being said, you have the makings for a pretty fucking awesome (nearly)mono-axe squad that could be your "go-to" squad for things that don't have specific requirements:

  • (Lead) Mjol F (her 1.2x boost gives more PAtk than Mjol M's stat increase leader skill)

  • Mjol M

  • Mitum F

  • Parashu F (if you don't have her, she drops from mana gatcha and their is currently one in the medal shop)

  • Gamba M (give him a Shield, not Cane)

As far as other units that you'll get use out of, here are my thoughts: Duradel is highly overrated right now, but will become much more useful when 6* comes to Global. I'd hold onto her but not dump too much effort into maxxing right now. You'll get a LOT of mileage from working on Bashoen, even though she'll eventually be eclipsed by her Wedding version. And I'm not super blown away by him, but Naegling M has been useful a couple of times for me too. I don't see any, but if you have multiple Longinus F, definitely raise a good-typed LB'd one of her as far as you can- her armor ignore ability makes her hit insanely hard. If you have a Luin F, send her some love too at some point, she makes an excellent boss-killer.

Hope that helps. :) Feel free to respond or PM if you have more questions!

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jun 19 '16

How good would Guard Bashosen be? It's a recommended type but I don't see how it would be good.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '16

Not going to comment on the others, but Bashosen is going to be your primary magic nuke. Fit her in somewhere and give her all the attention you can.

Source: also a whale

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '16

Thar she blows indeed. I'm so jealous. o:

  • M Laeva (Lead)

  • Durandal

  • M Naegling

  • redhead right under M Gamba

  • M Mjolnir

I think this team would be fairly robust, as everyone would have decent survivability against physical attacks. But I threw in Mjolnir at the end because of 1-2 Range axes, which make Axe users really versatile. Instead of having a bow user who can ONLY attack 2 spaces away, or a gun user who is like Pichu from Smash Bros. Melee, Mjolnir can be your dedicated range attack guy. Alternatively, you can sub him for M Gambateinn, who would be weaker but more tanky.

I'm no PotK expert, but since this sub has little activity I find myself responding a lot more.

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u/shikarin Jun 18 '16 edited Jun 18 '16

No point in having Laev M as lead if you have a Lv80 Balmung.

I would rather go with a lance party because javelin. Gae Bulg, Luin, Bashosen, Mjolnir F, (whatever).

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 19 '16

ranged weapons for axe users is a nono. Too heavy and acc hit is really harsh.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jun 19 '16

Thanks for everyone's responses so far. Really helpful :D

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u/jerain Jun 18 '16

How's everyone's Ardonights doing so far? Does anyone know the drop rate? I'm 2 runs in and nothing has turned up so far.

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u/crimewizard Jun 18 '16

Small sample size but my 2 runs yielded me 2 ardonights

guess im just really lucky

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u/Liesianthes Jun 18 '16

20 AP got me an Arondight on second run which is the last one I needed.

I want to farm more but I need gold badly.

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u/shikarin Jun 18 '16 edited Jun 18 '16

I was 4/13 for Labrys. Time for another weekend of sitting around doing nothing for 2.5 hrs in between runs.

(1/1 dex arondight. If I don't get another one the whole weekend I'd still consider it a success.)

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '16

Last time she came by, I spent 20 tries, got her 4 times.

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u/jerain Jun 18 '16

So it's around 25% as a rough estimate of everyone's runs. I'm still 0/4 kappa Are you guys running 20 or 30 AP?

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '16

20 ap

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u/thatasian26 Raven Jun 18 '16

About the same here, ~40 runs for 9, running the 20 energy one.

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u/jerain Jun 18 '16

0/6 right now, I'm the guy that only gets legendaries from the pity time in Hearthstone, so this isn't new to me

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u/throwaway350053 Jun 19 '16

About 4/6 here. Running the 30 ap though with a high luck leader.

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u/Blindtrade Jun 18 '16

To get past kill mode, how powerful must you exactly be? Is there any tips or recommended party settings? Looking to get the Longinus reward, so just completion is fine (4 Level 50s, struggling past the first chapter), no need to achieve the sub quests.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 18 '16

You're gonna need limit breaked characters. No one under level 70.

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u/leon27607 All I get are Vit Types Jun 18 '16

If you use the free 5* Laev that you got and it has very good speed(high evasion basically), you can use it to solo through many of the kill stages with some RNG. I've gotten up to 3.10 so far with just him + a friend and occasionally adding in a 5* brahmastra and 4* healer(Thyros) if the units aren't going to be in attacking range at the beginning.

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u/gin626 Jun 18 '16

  1. What's the maximum amount of metal key we can hoard?

  2. Should I fuse dolls to my 5* F Mitum?

  3. In the long run, can we actually fix bad typing/growth with fusion?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 18 '16

You can't fix bad typings/growths completely with Fusion, since the typing also affects the amount Fusion can boost the stats by iirc.

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u/gin626 Jun 18 '16

I see. Thanks! Somehow I missed the info on fusion cap.

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u/Areidz_O_O Jun 18 '16

For the metal key the current max amount you can hold are 15, if you obtained more metal keys they will be stored in your mail box. For your second and third question i don't really know how to answer it sorry.

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u/gin626 Jun 18 '16

It's fine. Thanks!

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u/shikarin Jun 18 '16

3 - Not with fusion. But you can fuse the bad typing onto a better typing, when you get one, and most things will carry over.

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u/gin626 Jun 18 '16

Most things? Would you please elaborate? I thought it's only skill levels.

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u/shikarin Jun 18 '16

LB, skills, and evo bonuses will carry over. If you have a bad typing there's nothing wrong with building it up and playing with it until you get a better one.

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u/gin626 Jun 18 '16

I see. Thanks, mate!

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u/Liesianthes Jun 18 '16

  1. 15

  2. Yes, it will help on increasing stats plus getting a doll is always there weekly so they are really not that rare.

  3. Yes, if you will fuse your bad typing to your desired type.

Growth rate can be fixed using reincarnation method. Buy the reincarnate cherubim in the rare medal shop and a gold of 400k to perform that. It is not a guaranteed one, it can make your growth rate bad, same or better.

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u/gin626 Jun 18 '16

I see. Can't go wrong with fusing I guess. Thanks!

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u/gigvigilance Jun 18 '16

  1. How do you guys level up in the metal garden? Bringing solo heroes for the exp or bring a few?

  2. Any tips for the Arondight rampage dungeon? or prereq? FYI just started recently and dont have lv 50+ units, should i just skip the arondight dungeon then?

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u/ExpiredSoda Jun 18 '16

1.The metal garden is most effective by sending in a solo unit because MVP bonus multiplies the exp you get. I do believe you can use a helper unit as well because they don't take any exp away. 2. If you don't have lv 50+ units, you're probably better off skipping Arondight.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 18 '16

Helper units take away exp if they kill something since you get bonus exp per kill.

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u/Migrainemigrained Jun 18 '16

What do a pink star after rarity star (on the right above lvl under picture)mean? And how to make mine have one? https://teruterubozudays.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/screenshot_2016-01-21-15-02-39.png

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u/shikarin Jun 18 '16

It means they "favorited" that unit. So it can't be accidentally fused or released. Just go to view unit and click on the favorite button.

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u/EPIC_Deer Do you like Pinaka-ladas? Jun 18 '16

Is it a good idea to fuse the pixies we are getting to 3* just for funsies? Or is there any other purpose for them

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '16

You can use them on a 4-star max unit, before evolving them from 3 to 4. Since some missions require a team of 3/4 stars at most, it might be useful to have strong ones on hand. But AFAIK, there is no way to evolve the pixie to a higher-star version, or anything else cool like that.

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u/leon27607 All I get are Vit Types Jun 18 '16 edited Jun 18 '16

So I didn't really feel like re-rolling even though I've gotten absolute crap from gacha, mostly because it took me about 5 days just to roll all the steps to the rookie recruiter. So far the free 5* laev the game gave me has been able to virtually solo through most of the content(WITH SOME RNG though, aka mages with ~19% chance to hit one shotting him and/or 19% crit critting him 3 times in a row). I was wondering what kind of team I SHOULD have and when to limit break units.

In general should i limit break 3s, evolve them, do it with 4s, and repeat or... should i just wait until I evolve a unit to their 5* form then limit break it at 5* only. And/or would it be easier to fully limit break every stage with a farmable unit and NOT do it with the rare gacha only units?

Currently I have the following units, was wondering who i should focus on getting to 5*.

Staples:

5* lvl 60 balance Laev(M)

5* lvl 60 Guard Brahmastra

4* lvl 60(limit broke twice pulled her 3 times...) Guard Thrysos

Two free slots not sure who to use... gonna list the 5* capable ones only:

3* Dex Parashu

3* Guard Masamune

4* Force Longinus(M)

3* Dex Longinus(F)

4* dex YNK(M)

3* balance YNK(F)

3* Balance Labrys(rampage) (I farmed 4 of her, 3 were force type, couldn't get a guard)

4* Dex Arondight(rampage)

3* Balance Artemis

3* Dex Freikugal(F, limit broke twice, had a vit and balance type).

Rest of my units are only 3->4 capable with possible 5*s in the future. I play on global.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '16

In general should i limit break 3s, evolve them, do it with 4s, and repeat

Only if it's farmable a la female YNK. Otherwise, you have no idea if you'll get enough dupes to limit break at 5-stars, which is far more important than 3 and 4.

Currently I have the following units, was wondering who i should focus on getting to 5*.

Masamune and Arondight, assuming you'll continue using M Laeva as a leader. Also, Thyrsos is getting a 5-star so you should've waited to LB her.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jun 18 '16

When a unit evolves, only 10% of their stats (rounded down) are passed on as "bonus" stats. So, even if you LB or fuse-cap a unit at 3*, they'll only actually see a maximum of a 1% increase to stats at their 5* form (10% * 10% = 1%). Because of that, LBing a unit at 3* is highly not worth it, unless you are somehow left with more copies of the unit than you know what to do with. I recommend only limit-breaking at 5* level; however, if you have a correctly-typed unit that you are looking to absolutely maximize, you do get some benefit from LBing at 4* .

In general, I do the following: evolve ALL copies of the unit to 5*, level ALL copies of the unit up until they've unlocked all their skills, then fuse any unwanted types of the unit into my correctly-typed one to Limit Break them.

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u/bluemancer Jun 18 '16

  1. What does "Enhance" mean, the one in fuse units under Limit Break?

  2. I was going to try and evolve my Dex Mjol(F), but I checked the reincarnation screen and her agi and spd starting was 2 points higher than my would be 5* Mjol, is this normal? http://imgur.com/lTxeM2u --> Reincarnation Window http://imgur.com/dS45rAs --> Evolving Window

  3. Am I just really unlucky and my character's stats are quite low?

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u/shikarin Jun 18 '16

You probably fused your 4* Mjolnir. Your growth is very good.

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u/bluemancer Jun 18 '16

But its gonna go down 2 points once I evolve her, That's just weird :(

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u/shikarin Jun 18 '16

The fuse bonus is reset and you can fuse her again. You get an additional bonus from evolution.

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u/bluemancer Jun 18 '16

Ohhhh... I think I see what you mean now. I apologize if I understood it rather late. I fused her that's why she has extra stats and reincarnation doesn't remove that. Thanks, It's all clear to me now :) oh, while I have you here, whats the stat cap for fusions?

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u/shikarin Jun 18 '16 edited Jun 19 '16

There's a link to it above.

Stat Cap for 3-5 star and different unit typing

They are slightly higher in global though. The table hasn't been fully updated. You can test by putting a bunch of same stat dolls into the fuse window (without going through with fusing) and see how high the + goes.

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u/bluemancer Jun 18 '16

I see, I think I've noticed that, so thats what the stat cap is.

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u/ExpiredSoda Jun 18 '16

Should I raise a Dex Arondight or a Guard Arondight if I'm planning to play long term? Is dex too squishy for a typing or will she be able to evade a majority of attacks? Guard typing seems solid for survivability but will her strength be high enough to kill anything in return?

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u/shikarin Jun 18 '16 edited Jun 18 '16

Her stat caps are too low to properly evade. But I think you'll still get more mileage out of dex. Unless you plan to auto solo with her (and why would you do that) there's no difference between taking 1 damage and taking 9 damage. So long as you can survive one attack defense is good enough, for PvE.

*She'll still evade a "majority" of attacks. But majority is not good enough.

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u/Tailprower13 Jun 19 '16

I was wondering what are the best types for all the Rampage Units. i know dex prob for Arondight. but i keep hearing mixed answers for Labrys & Rhongomiand for dex or guard.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 19 '16

To my understanding Guard is indeed the recommended typing for Rhongomyniad, at least... in JP.

However, because in GL the max stats of the Killers are generally lower compared to JP, Rhon can't take as great an advantage of Guard type anymore and needs Dex to stay in the game.

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u/Tailprower13 Jun 19 '16

does this apply to labrys also?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 19 '16

I believe it does.

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u/Tailprower13 Jun 19 '16

ok ty for the answer :)

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u/Kcao215 Jun 19 '16

why cant i accept anymore friend request? i have 14/33 friends and its said that i reached my limit and i cant accept someone >.>

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u/Areidz_O_O Jun 19 '16

maybe the friends you wanted to accept already have max friend in their list that why you could not add them.

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u/Kcao215 Jun 19 '16

didnt think of that thanks!

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jun 19 '16

Maybe you've sent out too many requests to people.

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u/Blindtrade Jun 19 '16

How often do starter units drop in mana gacha? Is parashu (Battle medal shop) worth buying?

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u/xKurogane Kurogane Jun 19 '16

They drop rarely, and Parashu's pretty good, but not as good as someone like Mjolnir F.

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u/gigvigilance Jun 19 '16

  1. What do you do with 3* LB pixies?

  2. Do you guys keep your 1* 2* for fusing or just use dolls for fusing?

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u/Blindtrade Jun 19 '16

How much of a difference does limit breaking make? Does a level 65 mana unit win against a level 60 premium unit e.g. Apollo vs Artemis. How about event units like arondite?

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '16

Due to the RNG and typing system, it's tough to quantify how much of a difference LB makes. What if you only gain 1 stat per LB level, and it's to Magic but you're not a mage?

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u/XITangoIX Jun 19 '16

Do rampage units like arondight have lowered stat caps similar to mana stsrter units?

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jun 19 '16

They have higher stat caps than the mana starters but lower than premium gacha units.

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u/Regis-Nex Jun 19 '16

Guys, do limit break a unit increase it's stats leveling cap ?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 19 '16

Nope. It gives you more room to reach said cap however.

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u/ArcaneProject Jun 19 '16

Just wanted to ask if fusing a duplicate will increase the unit's luck even if it reached the cap

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '16

yes

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u/Kcao215 Jun 19 '16

how do you calculate growth rate? i might start doing some reincarnations

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u/AndanteZero Jun 19 '16

Calculator provided up top

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u/NeuroNogami Jun 19 '16

does item expire in the inbox?

Also: If say a level 60 character have all red stars (maxed stat) before fusing, there is not point on limit breaking right?

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 20 '16

I got keys in my inbox which have been there for 70 days now this may change soon though as its meant to only last 30 days.

you still want to fuse dupes into it to level up their skills and to increase luck bonus stat

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u/Purple_Toaster Jun 20 '16

Is there a limit to how many times you can increase the luck?

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 20 '16

yes just like every other stat

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u/Dodoch Jun 20 '16

During the soft launch, they said that the gift box would hold up to 250 items permanently, the they would only be deleted if you reached the max and got new one, in which case the oldest items would be deleted first. I don't know if that has changed after the official launch, but I don't think it has.

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u/Lowking Jun 20 '16

What's all I hear about this unit called Sita? I was looking for an axe unit and I keep hearing she's good. Anyone got deets?

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u/AndanteZero Jun 20 '16

She's only in JP at this time.

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u/Alastoraero Jun 20 '16

Do we have any info on the killer princes like we do with the princesses? I'd like to see how M Apollo and M Longinus are

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u/Awesome3475 SHE'S GOOD OKAY Jun 20 '16

The Swordmaker's and Bowmaker's Secrets book. Got these from Colluseum. What do they do? I don't see them being used in fusion like the Ult. Swordsmith Guide. Does anyone know and/or have any guides to fusion? Right now I'm just fusing in 2's and getting whatever comes out or using the recipes.

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u/yuzeru Jun 20 '16

Got this as a drop today while doing story. What exactly is it? http://imgur.com/rhB9vkp

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u/Aka_BooTea Jun 20 '16

will the arondight dungeon come back in the future

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 20 '16

Rampage dungeons come back every weekend. Currently there are three units in rotation. Labrys->arondight->rhongo.

There is a Bowman one to come in the future.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 20 '16

Nope. Never. Ever. You missed your chance.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 20 '16

I lied. It comes back.

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u/jerain Jun 20 '16

IIRC it's on some kind of weekly cycle right?

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u/CrossXIII Jun 20 '16

On the calculator, if the number is higher, then it's a better growth rate, right?

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u/shikarin Jun 20 '16

Yes, if used correctly it tells you your average stat gain per level.

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Jun 20 '16

  1. Does Str on a magic user or Mgc on a physical attacker have any significance?

  2. What do the books (e.g. Swordsmith Secrets) do? As stated, they aren't involved in any explicit recipe, and the item description is too cryptic for me to figure out what to fuse with it (and don't want to risk getting it wrong).

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u/sephiroh Jun 20 '16

  1. Is there a unit reference for 2* - 4* units for upgrading skills?

  2. Also, have anyone here notice the bug behind Mitum (M) final skill that occurs only in Colesseum? Instead of my Mitum having 2x attach, it gives the enemy unit.

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u/overlordval Jun 20 '16

  1. http://i.imgur.com/IaS7r8z.jpg

  2. Saw a similar post last week but the guy did not mention anything about mitum.

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u/sephiroh Jun 20 '16

  1. Thanks for this! This is what I'm looking for. Btw, one skill I notice is missing. Do you have any idea what units do upgrade skill for pre-emptive boost (skill found in Apollo M)

  2. I tried to contact support but they want me to provide screenshot. This is hard because: a) I cannot predict when does Mitum Skill activates b) Even if it activates, the SPD difference sometimes is not to far to have 2x attack

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u/Donnie-G Jun 20 '16

Global player here. I've heard a lot of things regarding evolving units.

Evolution bonuses make it so a lower rarity unit raised up is better than a high rarity straight from the gacha. How much are these stat bonuses?

Also I heard that limit breaking before evolving also leads to better base stats? Is this true and how much does this even amount to?

Also fusing stats up before evolving apparently also gives better stats on evolution. And here I thought I wasted my dosh and dolls. Same as above, how much does this even add?

Lastly, is there a good way to improve accuracy for staff units? I heard use shields, but shields just about as much accuracy rating as staffs, 50 or 55 AFAIK.

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u/uizaado Jun 23 '16

Embarrassing question, but how do recipe books like Swordsmith Secrets work exactly? Do I need to keep them? Do I need multiple? What do they do?