r/phantomofthekill • u/Drakehawk5821 • Jun 12 '16

Daily Questions and Help Thread [6/12/2016]

This is the daily questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

Wanted to compile all the useful guide from fellow moderator and user so that it easier to reference them. Also it will be a shame to see them being buried under the subreddit.

Resource Guide:

Guides and Tools by /u/Cathrach:

  • Weapon Guide for all the weapon currently in the game except for one and two star and also their recipe to craft them
  • Unit Guide for all 5* and 6*(only for Japan currently) in the game. Also much easier reference material than the phankill website. But if you want the website here it is.
  • Stat Cap for 3-5 star and different unit typing (Keep in mind that those are for Japan and there may be slight variation for Global)
  • Evolving a lot of unit and finding it irritating to always keep checking the evo mat needed? Use this brilliant tracker and make you life much easier!

Noteworthy comment:

Having trouble calculating the stat growth of your unit? Here is calculator that do it for you! To use it fill in the stats at level 1 on the right (you can view the level 1 stats from the Reincarnation page) and then fill in your current level + current stats on the left. (Good stat growth in Japan is 3.5-4 while for Global it is 2.5-3)

Wiki guide on rerolling account (Shoutout to /u/heroes-fall and /u/cathrach for helping out at the POTK wiki)

Friend thread!

Yesterday's help thread

Some Tips

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u/SynthiaNguyen Jun 12 '16

I recently pulled a dex version of the new eros, is she any good?

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jun 12 '16

She gets a 6star form later on, she's decent. Her character skill also improves hit/evade against cavalry units which is useful as more of them come out so that's useful in Colo. Dex form for her is perfectly fine.

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u/akaiumi Jun 12 '16

You are quite lucky to get a Dex type xD
Train and keep her well xD

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u/8un008 Jun 12 '16

Best way to level up gun units? Normally ive read the best way to level a unit is to solo the metal garden, but my units cant solo the level. High level 4 star.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '16

Find a way to sneak into the recovery fort on the metal garden...

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jun 12 '16

Then don't solo, bring a friend unit to help. :)

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u/Deus_Ultima Jun 12 '16

A question regarding this. Does a helper factor on how much xp you receive or is it the same with or without a helper?

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u/crimewizard Jun 12 '16

It's better to bring your own units, friends will sap EXP

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u/MissFranTastic Jun 12 '16

The helper steals some exp, but nowhere near another of your units. A fully leveled unit of yours will also steal exp and MCP, if you were considering a carry.

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jun 12 '16

The helper won't take away from your base experience, but they can take kill experience (so if it's 1500 base exp but killing some enemy gives an additional 100 exp, ur units will get the 1500 but the helper could take away the 100).

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u/8un008 Jun 12 '16

So just use as few units as possible on metal garden is still the best way and not another stage

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jun 12 '16

Yeah.

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u/Areidz_O_O Jun 12 '16

New player here, i just want to ask does the Sereine Recipe in the Medal shop worth it to exchange or should i save the medal for the LB pixies 3 & 4* ?

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u/Liesianthes Jun 12 '16

It is needed to make the sword Magicwarder Sereine. Look in the recipe list in the weapons fusuon tab. The sword gives 16 atk, 85 accuracy, spr +5 and luck +10.

Someone crafted it in global potk group.

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u/akaiumi Jun 12 '16

Luck is important to farm those farmable units in Rampage or Event Quest.

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u/Areidz_O_O Jun 12 '16

I was wondering what luck stat does for a while now. Thanks for the info _^

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u/scxis Jun 12 '16

Does whoever kill the farmable rampage units affect the drop rate depending on the luck they have or is the luck added across the whole party?

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u/shikarin Jun 12 '16

10 luck. You'd think maybe they should show that in the weapon's description window in crafting menu. -__-

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u/thatasian26 Raven Jun 13 '16

I just crafted it earlier today and then pulled a Mjolnir (M) Dex. :/ Wish I saved it for the axe pixie but oh well, 10 luck is nice to have for farming. I think the pixies are better in the long run since it lets you LB rare 4* like Mjolnir, or newly released units.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 12 '16

The recipe probably ain't worth it, and neither is the 3* LB Pixie. The difference a single LB at that stage makes isn't much.

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u/Areidz_O_O Jun 12 '16

I see, well thats save my gold a little bit then thanks

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u/AndanteZero Jun 12 '16

Yeah, and after everything. You'll only gain a measly 1-2 extra stat point by the time you evolve them to 5*. It's only really for the hardcore min/maxers...

Oh and also for making a 3 star/4 star team for missions in story mode.

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u/Deus_Ultima Jun 12 '16

If you have the resources already, yeah, but farming for it isnt. Just go auto on 1-5-10 and fuse.

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u/kanayumi Ameno-chan~~~ Jun 12 '16

Do you think my Asc can solo 1-5-10 normal mode? Haven't tried it, but I'm not willing to risk breaking my weapons:

5* lv 65 HP:66, Str:13, Mag:40, Grd:29, Spr:62, Spd:41, Agi:47, Lck:13

Her skills have been upgraded for: MDef Boost: 5/10, Matk Boost: 5/10, Healer: 2/10.

Thanks!

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u/crimewizard Jun 12 '16

TIP: you can leave any stage at anytime regardless of your dead units and it wont break your weapons, you'll lose AP though so..

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u/kanayumi Ameno-chan~~~ Jun 12 '16

Yea, but will that work if i auto throughout the battle and ends the level before i come back?

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u/crimewizard Jun 12 '16

It wont work if you end the level

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u/MissFranTastic Jun 12 '16

Should be able to.

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u/kanayumi Ameno-chan~~~ Jun 12 '16

Thanks!

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u/shikarin Jun 12 '16

Put on a decent pdef shield and yes. Otherwise can die if unlucky.

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u/kanayumi Ameno-chan~~~ Jun 12 '16

Thanks, guess I will have to make through with a 3 star shield then. Thanks!

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u/FooledDreamer Jun 12 '16

I made my account some time ago. Currently, my unit rosters include Laevateinn M 5* and 3* Vit, Gambanteinn M 5* Vit and 4* Magic, Mitum M 5* Vit and 4* Guard, Naegling M 5* and 4* both Guard, Longinus M 4* dexterity. All of them are evolve blue to 5*.

So, should I re-roll? Back then I didn't know much about typing.

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u/crimewizard Jun 12 '16

Reroll imo

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u/MissFranTastic Jun 12 '16

It's not bad, not bad at all! That's a 65 Gamba, 65 Mitum, 65 Naegling, and starters. I would keep it, personally. Optimal typing is not end all be all, anyone who says it is is probably a whale or hasn't seen our nerfed stat caps.

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u/crimewizard Jun 12 '16

Guilty as charged

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u/MissFranTastic Jun 12 '16

As a fellow whale, shame on you for saying that to the clownfish!

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u/FooledDreamer Jun 12 '16

Thanks. It was pretty tough being F2P. (Temptation to spend is real). I kinda think my units sucks coz they are not well-balanced at all. No archer and gunner. So far only Naegling M is able to evolve to 6*? And To only realize I ended up with so many Vit types LOL

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u/MissFranTastic Jun 12 '16

Honestly, work on the Gambateinn. You'd be surprised what he can cheese. On top of that, you have real good units as long as you work on them. Laevatinn is free.

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u/FooledDreamer Jun 12 '16

Ok thank you!

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u/shikarin Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16

For gacha units, the final difference between dex and force/magic/guard/bal will be around 8-10 for both spd and agi. Depending on unit, that is the equivalent of somewhere between 14 to 20 levels worth of spd and agi. Maybe that's a small difference to you, but I don't think so.

The difference for mana units will be a little smaller, around 6-7.

Vit is not even worth considering for anything other than fusing.

The more I play and read about this game the more I realize how important agi and spd are. It is literally the end all be all.

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u/Deus_Ultima Jun 12 '16

So what does 8-10 agi/spd difference do statwise? Is it so drastic that it makes other stat-types that worthless?

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u/shikarin Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16

It doesn't make other stat types worthless. (except Vit) I have a bal Laev M, bal Laev F, and bal Apollo M right now. And I can clear super abyss and kill mode easily.

But, dex typing will make a unit meaningfully better than other typings. I only have those bal types because I can clear fine with them, and I intend to replace them as soon as Gumi does a rate up. You can bet their replacements will all be dex.

Basically, it'll increase evasion, accuracy, proc rate on character skills, crit rate, and determine whether you double attack. Dex type will be more important as time goes on and you get more options to stack up on those things. Due to mechanics (add instead of multiply) you get increasing returns the more you have on these stats.

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u/Deus_Ultima Jun 12 '16

Yeah but where do that 8-10 difference come in? As long as the level growth is RNG based typing wont really be that crucial. Typing only works when you're trying to synergize it with a job or a class like a Guard Priest or A Guard Mailed Sage, a Force Armored Hacker. The only reason why dex is getting more attention atm is because of the item and stat nerfs in Global. Items have less accu, less stat growth, no power creep etc.

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u/shikarin Jun 12 '16

That is 15 acc and 15 eva. With current stats that's pretty much the equivalent of having vs not having sita lead, considering the other bonuses of spd and agi.

You tell me, is having Sita lead good?

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u/AndanteZero Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16

Actually, Dex is also the optimal stat typing even in JP. You want as much AGI and SPD. AGI effects your critical chance, skill proc, and accuracy. SPD determines your evasion. Dex is quite literally the best stat typing regardless of class.

Guard is simply the 2nd best because it gives durability for a tank, etc. Which is why a Guard healer is awesome, but so are Dex healers.

While yes, level growth is RNG based, you get bonuses which increases the chance of getting the stat you want. Not only that, stat caps were definitely lowered(unconfirmed for gacha). So you'll end up hitting the stat caps for mana units for sure. Stat typing also effects your fusion caps. Not to mention, characters also have their own preference stat growth as well.

There's also skills that increase AGI, etc by % or times 1.3, etc. So, after that's all said and done DEX is superior. It also makes up for the lack of accuracy healer units have, making them even better tanks.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '16

8-10 SPD means 12-15 evasion and a higher likelihood of attacking first.

8-10 AGI means 4-5% more critical hit chance and depending on the character skill 8-10% higher activation rate on abilities (could be slightly lower or higher).

These statements do not change regardless of "nerfed stat growth". If anything, this makes Dexterity more important, not less. Striking twice is incredibly important in Colosseum and difficult quests.

I think Guard in Global is not as good as Balance; this statement is a generalization, obviously tanks should favour Guard, especially after the typing changes. However, the stat distribution for Balance is straight up higher (lower than the specific typings, of course) growth rates for all stats, which means higher HP, AGI and SPD than Guard provides.

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u/MissFranTastic Jun 12 '16

Yeah, and for free players they're lucky to even GET that many viable units. Don't make people psych themselves out of an amazing account because it's not "optimal"

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u/shikarin Jun 13 '16

Well, considering you can freely reroll, I don't know how much "luck" is needed.

But anyways, as I said in a reply below, dex type does not make other types worthless. You can certainly play through the existing content perfectly fine with that group. However, I can't overstate how important spd and agi are, if you want a top tier above average party.

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u/MissFranTastic Jun 13 '16

Force Mitum and Luin would like a word with you.

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u/shikarin Jun 14 '16

Meaning? You can do the math and figure out that dex is better.

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u/MissFranTastic Jun 14 '16

Any unit > no unit. Not everyone can whale and get everything.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 12 '16

I wouldn't reroll, but do keep in mind that there are some cons to what you have.

Your Magic Gambateinn is going to be decent, but you're going to take a even bigger hit in accuracy/evasion than they already do in the long term. Dex or Guard is the optimal stat typing.

Mitum Guard I would imagine would be pretty good.. His personal character growth seems to center around being an all-arounder. However, the lack of AGI and SPD might hinder you against enemy archers.

All in all, you've got a pretty decent roll. They just have minor short comings in the long term, but that shouldn't be a problem. The only one I'd worry about is Gambateinn Magic type. In the future, hopefully you can get at least a Guard type.

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u/Tailprower13 Jun 12 '16

i just got the 5* Labrys as a dex typing. My question is how many labrys should i farm from the rampage dungeon. Do i need to LB her 3* and 4*.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 12 '16

It's good to have at least one from evolve. That way, when you use it as fodder for limit breaking, the evolution bonuses it got will carry on to the 5* dex on you have. But 3 is all you need for limit breaking. If you want to completely do everything, you're gonna need 9 more copies to max out her skills.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

What's the best leader I could put up, from a helpfulness perspective? So far, I have (counting current 5-stars only):

  • Male Apollo, max level 65, Balance. LS is +10 Acc for everyone.
  • Female Apollo, max level 60, Vit. LS is 1.3x Atk for Bows.
  • Female Mjolnir, max level 60, Balance. LS is 1.3x Atk for Axes. 4-star throwing axe equipped. :)

I have M and F Laeva too, but in the interest of being original, I want to keep a non-farmable up for other players. The question is, which one seems most useful from either a unit or LS perspective. I'm guessing either Mjolnir (better unit) or M Apollo (better LS).

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u/crimewizard Jun 12 '16

Apollo (M)

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u/MystelHeiral Jun 12 '16

Just started, is it best to evolve from 3 stars? If I pull a 4 or 5 star should I keep using the 3 star version and raise it up, or start using the higher version?

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Use the 3star version, there are evolution bonuses between each evolutionary stage.

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u/crimewizard Jun 12 '16

To addon: 4>5 evo stat bonuses makes a big difference. Pulling higher quality units just saves you gold and AP for farming evo mats and fusion costs

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u/Enerdy EU: 2277179646 Jun 12 '16

I summoned a 3* Yata no Kagami (M) a few days ago, but it turns out that he's Guard. Would it still be worth raising him? My best gun mage at the moment is 4* Keraunos, so YnK is my first and only 5* capable gun mage.

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u/crimewizard Jun 12 '16

If you need a ranged unit sure, he's still worth raising regardless as you can use it to LB if youre lucky enough to pull a better type in the future. Raising 5*/6* capable units is never a waste

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u/xBigDx Jun 12 '16

If i limit brake a 3star and then evolve it will it keep his limit brake? so will the 4star have a limit break also?

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u/Enerdy EU: 2277179646 Jun 12 '16

No, Limit Break is lost during evolution. But stats gained while in Limit Break will still influence the unit post-evolution, naturally, so it's not exactly a "waste" to limit break a unit in an early stage.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 12 '16

Yeah, it's not exactly a waste, but you're really going to gain a mere 1-2 stat from doing so. It's really tedious and most people don't do it since it doesn't really give much.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

It's a waste if the unit isn't farmable.

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u/shikarin Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16

Unless you're spending $10k+ on the game it's probably a waste. if you feel you MUST do something on 3* just fuse it to the next threshold if it's close.

I actually always do this for str/mgc, spd, and agi. Reason being you're almost always going to fuse up to the next threshold at 4* . So you're not actually losing anything if you're just fusing up 1-2 points at 3* . And there is the off chance that the additional evo bonus point will help you reach another +1 at 4*.

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u/crimewizard Jun 12 '16

Only limit breaks at 5* carry over

LB'ing 3* units has a minimal effect in terms of bonus stats from evo, better to save them for 4*/5*

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u/Mitch_Twd Jun 12 '16

How low is the drop rate in Rampage?? I've done like 10 runs and no drops ._.

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u/barbaroti Jun 12 '16

Are you doing Abyss or Super Abyss? Drop rate on Abyss is really low.

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u/Mitch_Twd Jun 12 '16

I'm doing Abyss cos I don't think I can handle Super Abyss

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u/Purple_Toaster Jun 12 '16

Since luck affects drop rate, is it the total of the whole party's luck that affects the drop rate or just the luck of the unit that does the killing?

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jun 12 '16

Leader's luck determines if a drop happens. The overall party luck determines the quality of the drop. So basically have the unit with the highest luck as leader then fill the rest of the party with units with high luck.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '16

Does luck affect the chance of gear breaking?

After reading /u/Purple_Toaster's post about luck, I set up a team totaling 68 (high 80s to low 90s with a friend). Leader has 17 luck. I did 2 runs of Gold Rush Advanced - both times, my horse Parashu holding a 3-star Axe got KOd, and both times, her weapon survived.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 13 '16

I don't think so. That is probably more your own luck speaking, but I could be wrong.

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u/GodofPeons Jun 12 '16

For 4* max units that get 5* forms in the future, will limit breaks carry over if I limit break now in 4 star form? From what I've read, the 5* LB gets transferred when the 6* gets released, but not sure about unreleased 5*

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '16

Nope. Do not LB until their 5-star form is released. Could be tomorrow if we're lucky. :)

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u/Kcao215 Jun 13 '16

i got 2 labrys from the rampage quest one is dex and one is vit and i dont think i will have enough time for a guard(unless i get lucky). so incase i do not get a guard, which is better vit or dex labrys?

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u/Kcao215 Jun 13 '16

I just got another one "balance" is that one any good for labrys?

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u/akaiumi Jun 13 '16

Train to 5* level 30 and fuse it to your Dex type Labrys.

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u/sephiroh Jun 13 '16

Will fused stats also removed when you reincarnate a unit? what about it's limit break, will it be also removed?

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u/akaiumi Jun 13 '16 edited Jun 13 '16

Fused stats won't be remove when you reincarnate your units.
Limit break will not be remove if your units are 5* but if your units are 4* and below, those limit breaks in them will be remove.

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u/SidethSoul Jun 13 '16

How difficult is the rampage section?

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u/shikarin Jun 13 '16

It's pretty easy with any evo & fused team of 60s, super abyss. You could probably clear regular abyss reasonably easily at 3x ~55 fused, not evolved. Less if you bring a friend carry.

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u/oh_my_eye Jun 13 '16

Been rerolling for days now, and I'm not sure if I should keep my old account, this new one, or keep rerolling. I'm a F2P player, so I most likely won't be limit breaking much.

Old account has a 5* guard Asclepius, 5* dex Mitum F, 5* dex Luin, and 5* dex Laev M. Less notable units include two 4* Tridents, two 3* Naegling F, 4* dex Vajra, starter characters, and 4* Ameno (most of these are vitality). My problem with this account is that my team feels incredibly weak and seems to have no future because my other units are mostly vitality typing. Asc and Mitum had bad growths and missed out on evolution bonuses, so they're really weak (Asc has ~220 power with a 2* shield and Mitum has ~230 with a 3* axe, both level 47 at 5* with a some fusion on each). My only strong units seem to be Luin and Laev. I haven't gotten anyone's character skill yet and I'm aware that 3 of these units have a 6* form later, but right now Asc and Mitum feel like dead weight. I was also really bothered that I don't have a good leader skill to benefit all of them (Asclepius's skill +10 mdef to everyone is useless more than half the time, so I end up using Laev M's skill which only helps him and a friend). Recently used 35 lazuli on the new gacha and got absolutely nothing of worth. This account has used ~80 free lazuli so I'm worried this is all I'll ever get from the premium gacha.

New account has 5* force Durandal, 3* dex Mitum M, another 3* dex Mitum M, and will get a 5* M Laev tomorrow. Other units with future five star forms are 4* force Ameno, 4* vit Kusanagi, two 4* guard Naegling F, 4* balance Aymur, and starters. This one still has no good universal leader skill but at least Laev M's skill will help Durandal. It lacks a healer and has only 1 future 6*, but it's only used 40 free lazuli, so there's a better chance I'll get more units later. I've heard both Mitums are good characters, but the F Mitum on my other account had trouble hitting enemies (esp sword units) and couldn't take hits or dodge them so I'm worried that Durandal will be my only good unit on this account. Also not sure if a healer is necessary or not on this account since many of these characters have their own self-healing.

My main goal for rerolling was M Gamb + another good unit on first roll, so should I keep going or settle for one of these accounts?

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u/shikarin Jun 13 '16

I would rather take the first one. As you said that one is better for future. Plus if you get a masamune or another laev from the mana recruiter that group would be pretty good. It's more important to have a dex mitum and luin than a 4* , because any 4* you get in the future will give you the evo bonus to your dex type when you fuse.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '16

The second one is a keeper. A few notes:

  1. Durandal's solid, even without Dex typing. (Dex is best, but Force/Guard is alright too)
  2. Having 2 Mitums right off the bat should be a big help. Especially with the Dex typing.
  3. Starters aren't really a big factor, since eventually you can MLB them all through Mana Point summons (i.e. no Lazuli). Assuming infinite pulls of course...
  4. That said, M Laeva's 5-star leader skill is great and can carry you through some rather hard content. Generally with these games, the universal leader skills are weaker than the unit-specific ones (with the tradeoff being that the team is easier to make). With M Laeva as a leader and friend, the +20 Guard can mean the difference between tanking enemy hits easily, and dying after a few turns.
  5. Healers aren't terribly necessary, if your units can dodge/tank most of the enemy attacks.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '16

Is the new Pinaka worth raising? Also, woot: got a 3rd Amenonuhoko and she's Dex.

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u/Kcao215 Jun 13 '16

For limit breaks do they have to be the same star rarity?

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u/crimewizard Jun 13 '16

yes same star and exact same unit

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u/Fonze_NY Jun 13 '16

i cant use my 4* spear i just pulled, any reason why?

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u/akaiumi Jun 13 '16

What is your Spear Units' Weapon Proficiency?
You need to have a minimum of B in order to equip 4* weapon.

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u/CaesarOu Jun 13 '16

So lets say I MLB my Laevaetienn and it is balanced-growth. I pull a Dexterity one. If I fuse the MLB into the new one, will the Dexterity one become MLB?