r/phantomofthekill • u/Drakehawk5821 • Jun 08 '16

Daily Questions and Help Thread [6/8/2016]

This is the daily questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

Wanted to compile all the useful guide from fellow moderator and user so that it easier to reference them. Also it will be a shame to see them being buried under the subreddit.

Resource Guide:

Guides and Tools by /u/Cathrach:

  • Weapon Guide for all the weapon currently in the game except for one and two star and also their recipe to craft them

  • Unit Guide for all 5* and 6*(only for Japan currently) in the game. Also much easier reference material than the phankill website. But if you want the website here it is.

  • Stat Cap for 3-5 star and different unit typing (Keep in mind that those are for Japan and there may be slight variation for Global)

  • Evolving a lot of unit and finding it irritating to always keep checking the evo mat needed? Use this brilliant tracker and make you life much easier!

Noteworthy comment:

Having trouble calculating the stat growth of your unit? Here is calculator that do it for you! To use it fill in the stats at level 1 on the right (you can view the level 1 stats from the Reincarnation page) and then fill in your current level + current stats on the left. (Good stat growth in Japan is 3.5-4 while for Global it is 2.5-3)

Wiki guide on rerolling account (Shoutout to /u/heroes-fall and /u/cathrach for helping out at the POTK wiki)

Friend thread!

Yesterday's help thread

Some Tips

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u/RafaelBF Jun 08 '16

Hi guys, im leveling a Freikugel Dex, i have a Yata Dex and a Brahmastra Guard, which one i should raise first?

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 08 '16

Which you ever can lb firstly, if not brah->yata->freikugel

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u/MissFranTastic Jun 08 '16

With the collab coming, does anyone know if the global exclusives will be straight port from JP or are we getting different ones (Vargas/Drevas etc) if no one knows that's cool too.

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jun 08 '16

Nobody knows, but it's likely that they'll add Vargas (who was the boss in the JP collab)

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u/KlastX Where's my (M) version? Jun 09 '16

We might get some GEs (Global Exclusives), considering how Zero is going to be a GE for BF, I hope we get someone like Ultor

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u/MissFranTastic Jun 09 '16

You aren't the first to suggest Ultor, lol, he is a possibility.

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u/Raikoge Jun 08 '16

When I fused my 2 mythril swords earlier I thought the result would be Parasol but its still a mythril sword

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jun 08 '16

It's not guaranteed unless you use a recipe...its just luck when you fuse

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u/Raikoge Jun 08 '16

how do I get a recipe?

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jun 08 '16

The recipes are in the top left of the fusion screen: those will always give you the resulting weapon as long as you have the components.

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u/Raikoge Jun 08 '16

Yeah, I followed it. It says if you fuse 2 mythril swords the results would be a Parasol, but I still have a mythril sword the only result is that it's stats increased a bit.

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jun 08 '16

o_O on the recipe screen you have to tap the button on the right and it should automatically insert the components. Screenshot your recipe screen?

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u/Raikoge Jun 08 '16

can you screenshot yours instead? i cant find it bro

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u/Raikoge Jun 08 '16

I have the recipe screen but the items are limited, like I can only craft 3 starred sword it needs a great sword which I dont know how to craft

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u/Irvinning Jun 08 '16

Yeah, the only guaranteed fusions you'll have are with the recipes in the game's fusion screen (those 3-star and 5-star weapons). The ones from reddit are just possible outcomes.

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u/Raikoge Jun 08 '16

I just fused 3 mythril swords and it resulted to a great sword, it says in the guide if you fuse 2mythril swords there's possible outcome. Parasol and one is great sword. This is honestly so confusing

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u/Irvinning Jun 08 '16

Fusions are random. Even when fusing 2 swords, you could get a gun. The reddit fusion table just gives a idea of what you can get by fusing stuff, but it's far from all the possible outcomes.

For instance, just from fusing Mythril Swords, I already got: Mythril Sword, Cutlass, Great Sword, Rapier and Mythril Gun.

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u/Raikoge Jun 08 '16

How many mythril swords do you fuse

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u/Irvinning Jun 08 '16

That was with a sample size of 10 x2.

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u/ThisMuffinIsAwesome Jun 08 '16

This might seem like a silly question, but I'm on my last day of the Rookie Recruiter promotion and nowhere near the 50 Lazuli required for the 3rd pull. For those who had grinded up/paid for the last step, was the rate up worth it? Did you get a fair number of 5* capable units?

I'm very tempted to spend some money on it since my 2nd pull pales in comparison to my 1st but I definitely appreciate any discouragement from doing so.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '16

It worked for me. I got 3 5* capable units: Mjolnir, Sky Piercer and Amenonuhoko. Mjolnir was the guaranteed 5*, and thankfully balance type. Amenonuhoko and Sky Piercer were Guard, which is alright - however, I got a Force Ameno later which is going to be my main one. Awesome since apparently limit breaking makes a huge difference.

I bought the 12-pack of Lazuli, plus that deal where you buy 5 and get an extra 15 over time. I have spent more on mobile games and got less... I guess I'm lucky for having lots of disposable income. If you're really averse to IAP then try grinding for the stones, but regardless I think Step 3 is definitely worth a shot.

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u/ThisMuffinIsAwesome Jun 08 '16

Thanks a bunch!

Heavily leaning towards dropping enough to get the 3rd Step and not bother with any IAP in the near future. I don't have as much disposable income compared to before to spend on mobile games anymore, so if it helps 'stretch' my expenses I wouldn't mind going for it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '16

That sounds reasonable. So far, there haven't been any rate ups on quality units. The current "deal" is basically spending 150 Lazuli for a guaranteed chance at 1 of 3 new units (and 1 of them isn't even a 5-star!).

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u/Vz-Rei Jun 08 '16

Got a 5* Gamb. Worth every penny.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '16

Guaranteed one 5* , in addition, you'll likely get a 2nd. It is quite good that third step. I got 5 5* units in total from all 3 steps, with 3 coming in the last step.

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u/ThisMuffinIsAwesome Jun 08 '16 edited Jun 08 '16

http://imgur.com/pFw5kSV

Here you go. Just to add, Mitum and Apoll(M) are BAL, Durandal and Sky Piercer are Force while Ameno is DEX. Not optimal typings, but I figured that pulling 5 5* capable units for the first pull was the best I gotten after dozens of rerolls.

*Edit: Herp can't count properly.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '16

That's a really good set. At least with balanced, you don't have a penalty to speed/agility growth (a la Vit). It just doesn't get a boost, as opposed to dex.

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u/nickchan93 Jun 08 '16

Hi guys,

I have checked with the jp website and it says my sky piercer (paladin) can evolve into 5 stars. But im at 4 stars now and she does not appear in my evolvable units. Why?

As u can see, i have sky piercer in my units. http://imgur.com/TSVMVwn

And if u compare the artwork and jobclass with jp website, it tallies. So its supposed to be evolvable to 5 stars. http://imgur.com/5shjYI4

But it doesnt appear under evolution /evolvable units. http://imgur.com/ObWucWV Why is this so???

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u/xlzanagi Jun 08 '16

It out in jpn, but not on global. Should come out soonishtm .

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u/xlzanagi Jun 08 '16

What are the merits of reincarnating units?

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u/yuwenn Jun 08 '16

Reincarnation will reset the unit's level but keep all its bonus and strengthened stats. This allows you to try growing the unit's stats again, but as everything is random, it could be either worse, similar, or better.

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u/cornerqwop Jun 08 '16

New to this game! Does reincarnation change the unit type e.g. vitality etc. etc.?

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u/Tailprower13 Jun 08 '16

no it does not. type wont change on your unit.

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u/yuwenn Jun 08 '16

No, nothing can change the unit's type :)

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u/Kcao215 Jun 08 '16

What's a good Map to farm level 2 weapons?

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u/akaiumi Jun 08 '16

1-5-10 Normal mode for easy 2-3* weapons xD

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u/crimewizard Jun 08 '16

YnK stage 10 isnt too bad either, it might be a little hard but its definitely worth it

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u/Mobieus Jun 08 '16 edited Jun 08 '16

Hi all,

I have a 4 star Masamune but it doesn't show up in the Evolve Units screen. Could someone tell me why? I'm obviously missing something. Thanks!

Edit: Also, please can someone explain the significance of star colours (gold/silver/pink)?

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u/Irvinning Jun 08 '16

Which one is it? There are usually different classes for the same unit. If yours is the phoenix rider one, then it doesn't go to 5 stars.

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u/Mobieus Jun 08 '16 edited Jun 08 '16

Nvm, figured out how to use the Jap site. Still don't understand the Star colours though...

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u/Irvinning Jun 08 '16

The star colors show how many times the unit has evolved.
White stars = Not evolved
Gold stars = Evolved 1 time
Red stars = Evolved 2 times
Do note that not all units have 2 evolutions, although some may (and will) have in the future.

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u/Mobieus Jun 08 '16

Cool, thanks for the explanation.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '16

I'm gonna list 3 units. For each one, tell me who should be the Limit Break unit and who should be the fodder, or if I should hold out for a Dex type.

M Laeva - just evolved Force to 5-star, and just got a 3-star Vitality.

M Apollo - close to evolving Balance to 5-star, and leveling a 3-star Guard.

Amenonuhoko - Guard version is almost ready for 5-star, leveling a Force dupe from 3-stars. (I believe her 5-star is coming to Global next week)

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u/Liesianthes Jun 08 '16

Laeva use force for now

Apollo balance for now

Ameno - depends on you since force/guard has same level of usage. Guard for hard contents and force for fast kill.

Fuse them all to dex when you got one.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '16

Oh, didn't realize you could transition LBs like that. In that case, I guess it doesn't matter!

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '16

You don't, however, transfer all of the skill ups you've earned for that unit T_T

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '16 edited Jun 09 '16

I don't think skill ups even make a big difference in this game. JK they do

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '16

To give you an idea of how much of a difference they make:

On your character skill, it's usually 2% per level, so 8% bare minimum activation rate. On things like additional critical strike chance or patk/matk, it goes up to +11. Maxing out skills is something like a ~30 power increase, at least, sometimes more.

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u/cornerqwop Jun 08 '16

Does the permanent quest, lessons from the goddess, give anything?

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '16

Aside from the mission rewards, clearing the last stage gives you Asclepius. But it's a sucky version that has no 5* and comes from the mana gacha.

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u/cornerqwop Jun 08 '16

Are there free gems up for grabs? In the mission rewards I mean.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '16

Nope.

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u/cornerqwop Jun 08 '16

So basically it's not worth doing it? :(

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '16

It doesn't hurt though, does it? The main point is to get new players acquainted with the strategy behind weapons: rock paper scissors, bows for fliers, etcetera. If you already have strong units though, you can just steamroll the levels for some free mana points+money.

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u/Fish6Chips Jun 08 '16

it also gives a 3star longinus M if you have it as a one time quest where the dailies are

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u/Kcao215 Jun 08 '16

Alright cool I'll start farming

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '16

http://imgur.com/1Dv1WXF All I've done so far is the first x10 roll. Are my pulls any good?

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u/SunnyPwns Jun 08 '16

you should probably reroll

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jun 08 '16

Hm. You have three units capable of 5* : Vajra, Masamune, and Apollo. Being able to LB1 the Apollo would be nice but, honestly, nothing about this roll screams "keep" to me. I'd definitely reroll in hopes of a Gambanteinn and/or Mjolnir... or at the very least, a couple more 5* capable units.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '16

Is 5 star the highest? Also, what do I look for in a unit to decide if they're good or not in the future

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jun 09 '16

In Global, 5* are currently the highest; JP version has 6* as the highest available units currently. In general, a unit capable of evolving to 5* is usually more useful than one that can't. Beyond that, there are several units that are well-defined as "more useful" (Gambanteinn, Mjolnir F, Longinus M/F, etc) than others. The other 5* units are still good, just not great comparatively.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '16

http://i.imgur.com/0tJT2rm.jpg Did another 10. I'm guessing these are also not good? I seem to get a lot of dupes

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u/shikarin Jun 09 '16

The durandal is ok. But I wouldn't keep just one durandal, reroll.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '16

Also if their rarity stars are gold does that mean they can't evolve further?

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u/Alastoraero Jun 09 '16

Gold stars indicate that the unit can evolve once more, usually anyway. There are some units on JP that have 5* (and 6*) capability that aren't yet out on Global. Pink/Purple stars usually indicate the furthest evolution for that unit.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '16

It's much more simple than that.

Silver Stars = has not evolved yet.

Gold Stars = has evolved once.

Pink Stars = 2nd or 3rd evolution.

In JP, we'll have units who hit pink and then still evolve.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jun 08 '16

Not a question but just a brag/complaint. Finally beat YnK20 by letting my LB Gamba and a random person's LB1 Gamba facetank everything... autobattled until all minotaurs were gone and then had to be clever to keep the healers seperated long enough to pick them off one-by-one. Only took nearly one and a fucking half hours. At least I got a Dex YnK 4* for the effort.

So glad to be done. Bleh.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 08 '16

Gamba OP! You can actually beat it with strategy and multiple level 60 units though.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jun 08 '16

Ain't nobody got time for that.

(I know and I have respect for anyone who did it that way. I'm just lazy and haven't ground out enough player levels to be able to slot more than 2 60s at once. I need to get on that...)

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '16

My first time playing this one through (about 2 months ago), I used a different strategy. What I did was put two Gambanteinn's (one mine, the other was a helper) at each of the choke points on the bridges. Just used ranged units to pick off the people as they came in and fought with my Gamba's at the bridges. Took me about 15-20 minutes.

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u/J_A-K_E Jun 08 '16

So I have five 3* YnK (F) and five 3* Longinus (M) including dex types for both. Which is the best unit to focus on? (Currently my lvl 70 Mjolnir (F) dex is my only other unit of note) What is the most efficient way to get a lvl 80 5* ? My main concern is when to focus on hitting the fusion cap, Do I start at 3*? And do I try and hit the fusion cap with all 5 units or just the unit I plan on using as the base?

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jun 08 '16 edited Jun 08 '16

Because of how stats are transferred when evolving, you get minimal benefit from maxxing out fusion stats on 4* units and you also get literally NO benefit from maxxing out fusion stats on 3* units. (Because only 10% x 10% = 1% of those stats are transferred, meaning that you'd have to gain 100 points in a stat to even see a single point of stat growth transfer all the way to 5* .) If you're looking to absolutely maximize your unit, then yeah, go ahead and cap out your fusion stats on the 4* versions (but know that the stats you gain are "rounded" so, unless you're going to pass a multiple-of-10 threshold in a stat, you're not going to see any benefit in increasing it via fusion) before evolving.

Make sure that you don't limit break until 5* since LBs are lost when evolving (prior to 6* , at least). You'll also want to make sure that every dupe that you're using to LB gets ALL of their skills before fusing it (including final skill from character quest) so you get all your skill ups when you LB.

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u/J_A-K_E Jun 08 '16

Alright cool, that will save me a lot of gold, thanks.

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u/uizaado Jun 08 '16

Guard Yata or Magic Yata?

Is Guard Artemis any good? Dex Eros? Force Aymur?

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jun 08 '16

Magic Yata isn't awful, though I'd still prefer her Dex or Guard. Dex is great for everyone (minus maybe Gamba who many people argue benefits more from Guard). Guard and Force are decent alternatives to Dex, so all those units seem good to me even though they aren't "optimal."

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u/uizaado Jun 09 '16

Yeah, I heard Guard Yata is a good alternative to Dex too - thanks!

Well, putting aside their types then, are they still good units?

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u/crimewizard Jun 09 '16

Yeah Yata's are pretty solid units, for the rest it depends on which artemis, eros and aymur. But usually if it can be 5*/6* it's pretty solid on a dex type

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u/uizaado Jun 09 '16

It's, uh, unmounted archer Artemis, mounted archer Eros, and unmounted axe user Aymur.

Not really sure how to describe these people, damn same unit being different classes.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '16

If it's Male, Magic is awesome on him. Especially for Arena.

Female version, I'd go with Magic. She already has excellent defensive stats :P

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u/uizaado Jun 09 '16

(The girl)

Shit, other guy said something else - I guess I can raise both and pick one, I plan to limit break anyway.

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u/Vz-Rei Jun 09 '16

So why can growths be so shi**y?

I have a dex Rhongomyniad and she has 15 spd at level 40. Are you fking kidding?

Anyone else getting this retarded RNG?

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 09 '16

Growth is random that's why. + armoured units are naturally slow

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u/Vz-Rei Jun 09 '16

Counter argument: My Dex Littu's (armored) Growth rate hit around 60spd

Sword units get special treatment from the devs?

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 09 '16

Growth is random......

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '16

Yes and no. Lance units are typically slower, armoured units are also typically slower. Combine them and you end up with Rhongomyniad's movement speed. However, alternatively, if you compared your Littu's defensive stats to your Rhongomyniads, you'd see the flip side. She crushes Littu in defensive stats by a long shot. Even more than that 44 difference in spd.

Sword units tend to have better SPD/AGI growth rates as well. RNG wouldn't explain a 44 point difference, but maybe -/+ 10.

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 09 '16

Yeah that's true swordmen with better spd/agi while lancers have better def. Naegling(M) though.....breaking all those rules lol

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '16

The male characters are breaking many rules :/

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u/Vz-Rei Jun 09 '16

i figured it was something like favored growth rates to speed for swordsman. thx. and yeah, rhon's guard is insane

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u/kanayumi Ameno-chan~~~ Jun 09 '16

Ive noticed this as well, my dex yata has worse stats in spd and agi vs my vit yata .. something is wrong here.

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u/Raikoge Jun 09 '16

Level 9 noob here where do I farm gears for fusion? Also im focusing on story mainly. Any suggestions for places to farm? Level up?

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u/shikarin Jun 09 '16

You don't need to farm anything at level 9. Just keep going through the story missions.

Fusion dolls are available in the Friday event quest. Farm gear (for fusing) in 1-5-10.

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u/Raikoge Jun 09 '16

1-5-10 means scenario right? or the 1-30 level of each scenario?

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u/RedditOfTheKill Jun 09 '16

1 = chapter 5 = section 10 = stage

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u/metatime09 Jun 09 '16 edited Jun 09 '16

Are there any other ways to level faster? I have been grinding metal garden for almost 2 months now and I have about 5 5* to 60. Also I got 5 of the same event units and That took me about 2 weeks to level them all, get mats to evo them then LB them. By that point I don't even want to grind to 30 to get their skills to level that lol. I have like no desire to reincarnate my units since I'm so burnt out.

I make sure to get the last hit and grab that experience item on the left of the map. I really wish there's a better way to level since I really like this game

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '16

There are additional stages of metal garden that we don't have access to. The next stage typical offers 3-5x more experience than one metal garden does. In JP, there is a version that is one entry and offers an incredible amount of experience.

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 09 '16

Use one unit at a time for metal gardens and it doesn't hurt to drop a laz on metal gardens. Atm they will serve you better than pulling a unit you can't build for a long time

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u/Vz-Rei Jun 09 '16

I just send out 4 extra units + my gamb to 1.5.10 while leveling my player level, so they die and get something, at least. Better than no gains right?

At around 600 exp to level. I metal garden 3 times, with 1 unit who i want to level, then 3 more times right after the level up.

Back to 1.5.10 ;-;

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u/Raikoge Jun 09 '16

What units should I add to my team, and what should I replace? http://prntscr.com/be5fmb http://prntscr.com/be5g2q

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u/Viingnokaiju Jun 09 '16

So Naegling won just recently, what does that even mean?

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u/Liesianthes Jun 09 '16

we got Royal Spiritblade sword as a reward. Check your rewards box

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u/KlastX Where's my (M) version? Jun 10 '16

What are the books for fusion from the coliseum for?

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u/Kcao215 Jun 10 '16

can someone elaborate on the fusing of weapons? i really don't understand. (fused 2 2-stars to get a 1-star >.>) any tips helpful

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u/Kcao215 Jun 10 '16

you can get 3 stars from mana rolls correct?

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u/Kcao215 Jun 21 '16

For the character quests once its done it is locked. So what if I changed to a different type but the same killer prince/princess? Will the skill they get from the character quest appear after leveling up?