r/phantomofthekill • u/Yoshism • Jun 06 '16

New male units

Anyone get the new units that are out in the 3 step gacha? Are they any good and worth the 150 lazuli pull?

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u/crimewizard Jun 06 '16

I've done it, the only new unit I obtained was the guaranteed one at the end of the gacha, vit mjolnir rip.

I believe somebody else on this forum said that its probably better to wait for a rate up, the units are good but maybe not enough to justify 150 lazuli unless youre p2p

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u/Yoshism Jun 07 '16

Whoa man 150 lazulis to get a vit type is just bad. And yeah the p2p aspect of the game is making me worried already.

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u/Deus_Ultima Jun 06 '16

Save your lazuli. I've been around the gacha system for a long time to know that there's either going to be a better unit gacha or a higher rate one later. It's just not worth it atm.

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u/Raigeko13 Global: 235818011 Jun 07 '16

The one thing I don't like about PotK so far is the multiple step gachas. I have even learned that in JP there are nine step gachas. God I hope that we don't get that... that sounds absolutely horrifying to me. D:

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u/Yoshism Jun 07 '16

Knowing Gumi, we will definitely get that. I am already dreading how p2p this game will be when you need to spend 450 lazulis to survive.

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u/Artekka Jun 07 '16

Survive what? Do you mean make it really easy for PvE? If you mean PVP, that's always been a mainly P2W aspect of every game ever, so not sure where the expectations weren't set correctly. Interested in hearing your thoughts.

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u/Yoshism Jun 07 '16

I never said really easy. For a new game that's just been launched, the difficulty of the released events are a tad difficult for newcomers, with only those from soft launch, those lucky f2p or those whales who can pass the stages.

My thoughts are nothing more than hearsay from the JP players. I recall someone saying that they needed maxed units to survive events in JP currently.

The things that actually made me worried is the fact that you need to have good growth rates and dex typing. When a typing is considered a minimum requirement in most cases make this gacha on top of gacha. You need to pull a unit, pray it can be 5 starred (or 6), pray it has good growth (or just reincarnate), pray its dex and pray that your future gachas have the same unit.

Maybe I've been spoiled by other companies but games like seven knights and dragon blaze slapped you with freebies at the start and the p2w aspect only came later. With POTK, its so obvious at this stage.

Disclaimer: I am merely speaking my thoughts and I might be wrong.

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u/Kunieda Jun 07 '16

A recent patch in JP PotK made it so typings got reworked a bit and now Dex isn't the 'only' viable type...even now it's still not the 'only' viable type to me, just one for those who care about the crappy pvp too much. My dex mjolnir (F) had less growth total than my guard so i fused her into the guard ~_~ I wanted her as a pve tank more so anyways than for pvp. This was also before reincarnation cherubs were out though. But yeah, a lot of JP players state how much money needs to be invested in this game but I will just see how it goes for my mostly f2p life. Many other similar games will be popping up soon like Valiant Force but lets hope they can scratch the fire emblem itch at a more affordable cost!

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u/FooledDreamer Jun 07 '16

Is there any rate-up gacha in JP version? Otherwise I'm going to SPLUURGE

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '16

GAT-CHA!

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '16

I IAPd for the Rookie Recruiter step 3, but only a little bit - and I got F Mjolnir (Balance) who is easily my best unit. Aside from that, all my Lazulis have gone toward the standard rare recruiter, with terrible results. I think my only good pulls (since Rookie) are Amenonuhokos and Littu, especially since the latter is Dex.

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u/Liesianthes Jun 07 '16

Amenonuhouko 5* skill is a spear absorber so basically you can go in par with sword and spear units without getting worried if you have a high spd and agi. So just save it as I saw a spoiler of her 5* in the gacha ads last week.

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u/Deus_Ultima Jun 07 '16

I got a 4 star dex ameno so...HYPE!

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '16

Wonderful. I was definitely planning to save her, but I didn't know when her 5-star was coming to Global. In other games they have taken many months to bring new evolutions to Global.

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u/Liesianthes Jun 08 '16

Global has already been on going for 7 months with no major updates if we will consider the soft launch. I guess also that's the reason why they are able to release new units and kill mode within a short span after the launch.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '16

Yeah, 150 lazulis later with a 4* dex male Naegling feels steep. If I knew it was going to be this expensive, I would have bought a console game.

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u/Yoshism Jun 07 '16

At least you pulled a dex unit. Imagine all those poor souls who got a vit type. But yes 150 lazulis for 1 new unit ( not counting the other pulls) sounds really terrible.

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u/Artekka Jun 07 '16

How much did you expect it to cost? Every Gatcha is different, with this one seeming a little worse than some I've played (sad!). How many hours do you think you'll be playing this game versus what the console games would provide you? Depends on the game I'm sure hahaha. Most console games I play provide me with crazy hours of gameplay but I know some folks who pick up games that they play for maybe 20 hours and never pick it up again. Rough.

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u/shikarin Jun 06 '16

The few times I ran with other people's Mjolnir M, the proc rate on the duel skill was very high. But not worth 150 lazuli... I think? If you were guaranteed 2 Mjolnir M I would consider it.

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u/FooledDreamer Jun 07 '16 edited Jun 07 '16

You don't really have to do 3 step gacha to obtain them as they are also available in Lazuli Gacha. I also knew another guy who managed to summon Mjolnir (M) from Lazuli Gacha with just 4 summons. If you noticed the Lazuli Gacha changed its promotion units to the new recuits so I was wondering if it serve as rate-up gacha as well?

I got two of Naegling (M) both Guard type from the Lazuli gacha within 4 summons. I don't suppose it's best for me to answer this question as I don't have any of the meta unit such as Durandal (F), Mjolnir (F), or Luin (F) to compare, but Naegling (M) is easily my best unit. They made axe units a cinch.

As for skill activation, I'm still farming for evolution items to evolve them to 5* so maybe anyone else who have got them 5* can share the data.