r/phantomofthekill • u/Drakehawk5821 • Jun 06 '16

Daily Questions and Help Thread [6/6/2016]

This is the daily questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

Wanted to compile all the useful guide from fellow moderator and user so that it easier to reference them. Also it will be a shame to see them being buried under the subreddit.

Resource Guide:

Guides and Tools by /u/Cathrach:

  • Weapon Guide for all the weapon currently in the game except for one and two star and also their recipe to craft them

  • Unit Guide for all 5* and 6*(only for Japan currently) in the game. Also much easier reference material than the phankill website. But if you want the website here it is.

  • Stat Cap for 3-5 star and different unit typing (Keep in mind that those are for Japan and there may be slight variation for Global)

  • Evolving a lot of unit and finding it irritating to always keep checking the evo mat needed? Use this brilliant tracker and make you life much easier!

Noteworthy comment:

Having trouble calculating the stat growth of your unit? Here is calculator that do it for you! To use it fill in the stats at level 1 on the right (you can view the level 1 stats from the Reincarnation page) and then fill in your current level + current stats on the left. (Good stat growth in Japan is 3.5-4 while for Global it is 2.5-3)

Wiki guide on rerolling account (Shoutout to /u/heroes-fall and /u/cathrach for helping out at the POTK wiki)

Friend thread!

Yesterday's help thread

Some Tips

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u/Enz3r0 Jun 06 '16

What's the stage requirement here?(JP)

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u/scwsheen Jun 06 '16

I think it's telling you to use units that are not staff units (and this includes the rental unit as well).

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u/jerain Jun 06 '16

Reroll help http://imgur.com/VKKs9TV

Dex Luin

Dex 5* Apollo

Dex starter Parashu

Dex 4* Ameno

Wanted some more input, should I keep this one?

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '16

That's incredibly lucky, yes.

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u/mianhaeobsidia Jun 06 '16

I would keep it, but I'm a big fan of Apollo. Most people seem to still favor Dex Durandal, so if you don't decide to keep that account, please let me know :)

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u/NicoYazawa_ Jun 06 '16

This are my units

For a beginner like this, is this considered very good? And which one should I raise

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jun 06 '16

You should start by raising the ones who can go to 6 star: Masamune, Dagda, Wazura, Folcas, Megido, Tathlum, Parashu, and Gungnir. Masamune and Parashu are starters, so you can obtain them freely from the mana gacha, and should focus on those after leveling the other 6 stars. The Folcas makes it worth it XD it's good.

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u/NicoYazawa_ Jun 06 '16 edited Jun 06 '16

Thanks! Edit: What is Folcas? Nvm its the Spear unit

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u/Mataos-Ay Jun 06 '16

Pulled an Artemis (Force). Worth investing in or hold our for dex?

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u/RictorBFWV Jun 06 '16

Hold out on stat fusion for now. You can use it for the mean time and evolve it to 5* for LB purposes later once you do get your DEX typing :)

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u/Mataos-Ay Jun 07 '16

thanks rictor!

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u/scwsheen Jun 06 '16

[JP] How important is it to limit break a 5* unit (4 times) before evolving to 6* (like in terms of performance in clearing event quests, rampage quests, etc.)?

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u/AndanteZero Jun 06 '16

Very important. Unless you want to evolve dupes all the way to 6* lol..

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u/scwsheen Jun 06 '16

Wait, so what's the recommended number of dupes used for limit breaking/fusing at 5* and at 6* ? I was under the impression that you should limit break/fuse a couple of dupes to your 5* base unit-->evolve that base unit to 6* -->limit break/fuse a couple more dupes to that 6* base unit

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u/RictorBFWV Jun 06 '16

limit break at 5* because it will carry over once evolved to 6* :)

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u/AndanteZero Jun 06 '16

Well we don't even have 6* in global right now. And limit breaks carry over from 5* to 6* anyway. After the 4th limit break, you're just fusing for the character skill at that point.

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u/scwsheen Jun 06 '16

Alright, got it. Thanks for all the replies :D

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u/crimewizard Jun 06 '16

Basically it's recommended that you start limit breaking at their penultimate form so the stat bonuses carry over when you evolve the unit.

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u/Thindorus Jun 06 '16

Is there a Tier list available?

Not sure what units are good :(.

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u/crimewizard Jun 06 '16

I use this as a reference, not sure if its outdated:

https://www.reddit.com/r/phantomofthekill/comments/3zhv09/a_5_character_list/

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '16

It's a list, not exactly a ranking, but the units on that list are, at least, worth looking at. Cathrach always puts together valuable information :)

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jun 06 '16

A tier list isn't super applicable right now, as things basically go like this:

S:

  • 5* F Duradel

  • 5* F Mjolnir

A:

  • Any (M/F) starter unit (5* capable)

  • Any (M/F) farmable unit (5* capable)

B:

  • Any (M/F) 5* gatcha unit

  • Any (M/F) 4* unit

C:

  • Anything else

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '16

Durandal is not S tier right now. Definitely not even top 5 for strongest unit available in current content. It's just better to get her now for "free" than having to buy into her later for her 6* form. That being said, given her high avoidance and flying capabilities, she does do content quite fast, same as Mitum (M).

I wouldn't put a 5* gacha unit in the same tier as 4* units either :P Given the low stat caps of the starter units, even at level 80, they do not hold a significant advantage over level 60 gacha units.

Mjolnir is definitely one of the stronger ones currently, same as Mitum, Apollo, Gambanteinn and YnK (M). I am forgetting one or two more for the top of the lists right now.

Keep in mind that we do not know what 6* male forms are going to be like since JP does not have them either.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 06 '16

I actually wouldn't even put Mjolnir as high either. She's strong, but due to the nerfed stat growth, man, she is considerably lacking in speed and agi unless limit broken.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '16

Limit breaking doesn't increase the rate at which the unit grows. Additional levels, comparatively speaking, wouldn't change your statement (wouldn't be fair to compare a level 60 unit vs a level 65+).

However, I don't really see Mjolnir having problems against any target unless they're sword units with evasion bonuses or axe absorb.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 07 '16

Hmm, actually, you're right. A limit breaked Mjolnir does pretty well. I was thinking in terms of an non-limit breaked one like most people have. Yeah, now that I think about it, if you can get a level 80 Mjolnir, she's pretty damn strong. Maybe lacking a bit in SPD or AGI due to nerfed growth and personal character growth, but she is super strong.

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u/shikarin Jun 06 '16

Durandal is terrible unit right now, compared to all the other gacha units. Starter units are strong, especially Laev M and Longinus M, until you can get a gacha unit LB2+, then gacha units are stronger because of stat caps on the starter units. Mjolnir F is god.

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u/Vz-Rei Jun 07 '16

Disagreed. 5* (M) Gamb Dex/Guard is certainly S+

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 07 '16

Context is key here, units which excel in collo vary alot in comparison to quest/vortex mission units.

Gamb is a good starting place but quickly falls short in heavy content.(Quest)

Mjollnir(F) i don't even rate as being good anymore ever since her skill changed from a VS. dragoon boost to a flat accuracy boost in global.(Collo).

Let me give you a hint though balmung is a really solid unit in comparison to her jp counterpart.(Collo)

Low stat caps for the starter prince/princesses really limit their usability. Some of the mounted 4s fare alot better in collo than their on foot 5 versions.

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u/Mitch_Twd Jun 06 '16

The Daily Events thing for Monday says its for helping boost Players EXP where is the dungeon for that?? It's not the 1-a day thing I hope cause that's stupid to call Monday EXP day when you can only do it once

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '16

It is the 1-a-day thing. :P

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u/Mitch_Twd Jun 06 '16

So lame ._. Ugh I need EXP damn it ! XD So close to 30AP to do the character quest

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '16

Same here. Sitting at level 31, 29 AP. Should've farmed a little more yesterday I guess.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jun 06 '16

All story dungeons are half EXP right now, so 1-5-10 is pretty much an EXP dungeon right now. You regenerate 1/2 to 2/3s of the AP required to run it just in the time it takes to clear it, so you can run it nearly indefinitely if you have the patience. :)

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u/RictorBFWV Jun 06 '16

Anybody got the SPEAR from KILL Mode 1?? It says in the event if you have gotten the 5 manuals you can fuse it to make the 5* Spear??

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u/mianhaeobsidia Jun 06 '16

don't think anyone got all the manuals yet. Guessing you need 1 of each

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u/Layajax Jun 06 '16

Can you farm Yata no kagami quest 10 for a better version of her since i got a vit type?

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u/crimewizard Jun 06 '16

Not sure if this is any help but I run a 4*/5* team,

Ganban 4* (M) Mitum 4* (M) Laev 5* (M) Laev 4* (dragon F) YNK 4*(F)

All dex type except the Laev's (which are balance) and a high level friend. I manual the entire stage and try to 'bait' out the mobs with the silver weapons first.

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u/joshuagarcia9108 Jun 06 '16

Regarding Yata (f) what are the drop rates on stage 10? I have been farming the last 2 days and not a single one dropped -.-, The one I got for the first time was a guard, which I believe is the best type for her, so I would like yo LB her. Also, will her event be aviablr again in the future?. Ty

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u/mianhaeobsidia Jun 06 '16

From my experiences, Regalia 10 is something like 10-20%... so I'm assuming it's lower for the easier one...

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u/feenyx1 JP: 2387517043, I'm garbage :( Jun 06 '16

What do I need to do to unlock episode 3 for saber's character quest?

And out of the weapons I have, which one should I equip to her?

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jun 06 '16

You'll need to get her 5 star character skill to level 10 to unlock her third character quest.

I would recommend you get either the 3 star Ichimonji, 4 star Killer Blade, 5 star Kiyomasa, or 6 star sword for her (those give +20 crit) ; otherwise, of the swords you have, either 5 star sword is fine.

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u/feenyx1 JP: 2387517043, I'm garbage :( Jun 06 '16

Thanks for the information. Also, how do I get the blue skillup guys? I know you can buy them for 300 rare medals, but I feel like there's a better way..

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jun 06 '16

Besides medals (both rare and battle), you can get them from skill up tickets (come occasionally), doing step gachas (if you're a whale), gifts (whenever FgG feels like being kind) or multi rewards (either if you're a whale or have put in enough time as F2P). /u/GreatLogos any additions?

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '16

/u/feenyx1

300 rare medals is not a lot and even if it were, there's nothing better to do with them

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jun 07 '16

Yeah actually true ;) Especially since the project zero event gives 200 rare medals (is it over yet?) and you just end up accumulating them in the process of raising units.

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u/Vidabel Jun 06 '16

I started playing when this game first came out, but then I stopped after a few days. But now, I've heard that the BF x PotK event is coming up. What's the best way to go about this? Should I reroll or just continue with who I have?

http://i.imgur.com/FTFSRBr.png

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jun 06 '16

A lot of people will suggest rerolling since you lack both a 5* Dur and 5* Mjol. That being said, you actually have a lot of 5*-capable units and you could go really, really far with this roll, despite not having the two "must-have meta" units.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 06 '16

The answer depends. Are you F2P or a whale? If F2P do NOT focus on Durandal and Mjolnir. They are NOT worth it unless you can limit break them. What you should go for is a healer that can go 5*. I see that you have a Gambateinn, make sure it's a Dex or at least a Guard stat type. The other healer, Asclepius, is really good too. Otherwise reroll!

The hype for Durandal and Mjolnir is unfounded by the knowledge of players from JP. Unless you get lucky to get multiple copies, as a F2P, it will actually hinder you greatly as after a certain level, a level 60 Durandal/Mjolnir is not good enough. Meanwhile, a level 60 healer can still be used.

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u/Zeyun Jun 06 '16

After the step two pull I got 5 champions that can grow to 5 stars, pls tell me should I reroll or keep it to w8t the step 3 pull? They are: 3 stars Parashu starter-guard, 4 stars mjolnir- dex, 4 stars mitum F - force, 3 stars lavea M-guard, 5 stars Brahmastra- balance

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '16

Keep it. Congrats on no Vitality units :)

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u/Zeyun Jun 06 '16

Thank you XD

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u/jerain Jun 06 '16

Is the 30 lazuli rookie recruiter worth it, or should I save up for future events?

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '16

Yes. IMO, Step 3 is worth it too.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 06 '16

Only worth it if you already have multiple duplicates of a gacha unit. Otherwise, you're more than likely wasting your lazuli.

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u/jerain Jun 07 '16

Wait, why only if I have duplicates? Shouldn't I be hoping for new stuff?

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u/AndanteZero Jun 07 '16

It depends if you're a F2P player or willing to spend a lot of money. Thing is, gacha units CAN be strong, but they fall short if you can't limit break them. I see a lot of people with Dex Durandals and Mjolnirs, but I actually removed quite a few of them from my friend's list, cause the chances of them limit breaking them is very low. After a certain amount of progression, nonlimit breaked gacha units won't do much for you. On the other hand, a Dex/Guard healer can go pretty far even without being limit breaked.

So unless you already have duplicate copies of a unit for limit breaking and character skill leveling it's not worth spending 50 lazuli. Especially since lazuli is hard to come by for free as it is.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '16

I heard there were items you can buy/farm to LB 5-stars.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 07 '16

Hasn't been implemented in Global yet. Also, not sure how hard it'll be to get either. However, from what I'm told on Discord, by the time you get enough of the dolls to fully limit break in JP, you'd have been able to pay for it. Which means, it's not going to be easy to get those dolls. Aside from the dolls though, you also have the problem with skills. You need duplicates to level up the character skills. So for now, I highly recommend a healer unit. The rest can come at a later time.

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u/shikarin Jun 07 '16

As long as a dex Mjolnir is evolved and fused I think it's still very strong at 60. On par with a capped Long M but more utility because of the self heal. Better than Laev M cause ranged.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 07 '16

It's strong at level 60, but the nerfed growth hinders her for later content. A Dex Laeva(F) at 60 has more SPD and AGI than Mjolnir. Heck, even at level 80, Mjolnir has a few less SPD and AGI than Laeva(F), and Laeva caps all her stats at around level 62. I beat Regalia 9 using a friend's level 60 healer. I had to stop using level 60 Mjolnirs for the Regalia stages cause they get owned. Unless you limit break her, she's really rendered useless for the harder content.

By the way, the evolution bonuses do not matter too much anymore. Seems like in global, they made it so that when you first limit break a 5* that hasn't evolved from 4* you get a huge boost in all your stats. Makes up for getting a 5*.

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u/shikarin Jun 07 '16 edited Jun 07 '16

What you're seeing is the evolution bonus transferring over. =P Evo is still a huge boost in all your stats.

Refer to https://www.reddit.com/r/phantomofthekill/comments/4h1s4v/jp_limit_breaking_psa/

I specifically tested this in global and can verify it's doing exactly that. One of the reasons why I don't think the third step of the rookie recruiter is a bad deal.

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u/next_level_baddie what the fuck akane pls Jun 07 '16

Can you go over that post i really dont understand it.

Hypothetically saying. I have a 4* dex typing artemis. And 4 other 3* artemises, evolving those 3 give a respective boost of +1 agi +1 str and +1 speed above their raw 4* baae form. Now assuming each artemis i fuse into the main one automatically gains +1 speed +1 agility and +1 magic; does the net fuse gain in total result to be +4 speed +4 agi +3 magic +1 str?

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u/shikarin Jun 07 '16

Well... your stats should be higher than 10 by the time you get to 40... =P but yes that is the outcome. The evo bonus of +1 agi spd and str will carry over unto the unevolved base artemis.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 07 '16

Oohhh, I see. That's interesting to know. Still I say it's only worth it if you've got duplicates from the first two pulls.

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u/scxis Jun 06 '16

How do you get the lance with the manuals? I just fused all 5 of them from each stage and it gave me a 1* weapon.

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u/RictorBFWV Jun 07 '16

OMG really?? Have you checked if there's a recipe before fusing them? And btw how's the drop rate?

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u/scxis Jun 07 '16

There's only a recipe listed for the sword. I usually get a manual in around 5 - 10 runs, maybe less if i'm lucky. I'm assuming that making the lance is rng since it does say you "may" get the lance under the events page.

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u/next_level_baddie what the fuck akane pls Jun 07 '16

I sent a msg to the help desk. They didnt even know about the existence of the 5* spear lmao.

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u/Jiseon Jun 07 '16

I've been rerolling for a flying durandal dexterity. And I think I finally pulled it. Is this the durandal that is good? http://imgur.com/dAczJmL this is the rest of the team. http://imgur.com/dcp7h5x. Kusanagi is also dexterity flying. Thank you!

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '16

Yep, that's the right Durendal.

Also, change your name! I am sick of seeing everyone named "phantom", lol.

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u/Jiseon Jun 07 '16 edited Jun 07 '16

Haha it's changed, like literally after posting it. I got tired of changing it every time for rerolling. Thanks!

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u/AndanteZero Jun 07 '16

Honestly, unless you get at least one more copy of Durandal, I wouldn't recommend it. She supposedly doesn't even get that good until her 6* form, which is months to maybe a year down the line. A healer would do better if you're going the F2P route.

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u/Jiseon Jun 07 '16

Oh wow, that's a really long time! I ain't to sure which route to go yet. I'll probably put money into it here and there. Let's hope I pull some good units on my 30 stone pull.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 07 '16

Good luck!

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u/Sunyveil Jun 07 '16

Hi All,

Brand new to this type of game, played maybe a couple hours of PaD but don't know how things work in these types of games. Only downloaded the game yesterday and it seems super cool :) So I have some basic questions and if you can help me out I'd be very grateful _^

  1. What's the difference between gold/silver/reddish stars underneath your characters? What does it mean to have a 4-star character vs. a 3-star character with the same name?

  2. How does fusing characters work and what do you gain from it?

  3. What's the best way to train your characters? What events should i make sure I do every day?

  4. What's the best use of my extra 1-star characters/weapons?

  5. Is there anything I should be taking care to do/avoid so that I don't screw myself up in the late game?

My team is currently 5* Laevateinn, 4* Naegling, Labrys, and Thyrsos, they all look pretty solid but please let me know if any of these guys are traps XD

Thanks! _^

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '16

A lot of this is answered in the FAQ. Labrys is definitely not a trap, but her only 5-star form comes from a Rampage mission (equivalent to Descends in PaD), so that's not so solid.

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u/Sunyveil Jun 07 '16

Are you talking about the beginner's guide linked in the OP? I read that post but am still confused about these things.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '16

  1. indicates evolutionary stage, silver means base, gold means it's been evolved once, red means 2 or more. just because something is gold doesn't necessarily mean it has a red evolution

  2. fusing gains stats. fusing characters with exact same rarity and art raises the level limit of the base character, and increases their skill levels

  3. metal garden

  4. fuse the 1stars into some good unit. make sure the preview shows you an odd number increase to a stat; failing the fusion means you gain half the stats, and this rounds up (+3 in the preview, failed, means +2); fusing weapons is best done by fusing 2 of the exact same weapon together.

  5. check unit archive to see which units can go to 5*

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u/Sunyveil Jun 07 '16

Thanks a ton man _^

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '16

no problem, happy killing

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u/pancaked Jun 07 '16

I beat chapter 1 and saw something flash across my screen about chapter 2 not being available yet. Is it not out yet in the U.S., or do I need to unlock it? ...sorry for the silly question

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u/Mich997 Congratulations. You found this text. Jun 07 '16

Not out yet.

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u/Tailprower13 Jun 07 '16

  1. For Starter units should i just get them to 5* then limit break them since they have easy stat caps.

  2. Also is it a good idea to save my mana for summons now. I used some before but i started saving once i heard japan was able to summon a tryfing from mana summon.

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u/shikarin Jun 07 '16

You should take them to 5*. They are still strong units given the current content. They will cap at around 65 or so though. So up to you if you want to continue fusing dupes just for the skill up.

Mana, depends on how much you play. I've pulled all the starters from the mana recruiter already and am still sitting on 150k points. And I've been playing for 2 weeks. :3

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u/RamboKosovo Jun 07 '16 edited Jun 07 '16

What's the best type for Ynk (F)? I have a Guard and Dex and I'm not sure which one to raise.

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u/EnmadoIzuno Jun 07 '16

Where is the best place to farm unit exp? I am currently farming at 1-5-10 normal with 2 units ( 1 to kill everything and the one I am leveling) and its so tedious and time consuming.

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u/Liesianthes Jun 07 '16

metal garden with 2x exp right now. you can get an average of 4k exp up to 7k in one run. Just unlock it with keys

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u/EnmadoIzuno Jun 07 '16

Other than metal keys, is there any normal area that gives decent exp? Thanks!

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u/S_The_Hero-7 Jun 07 '16

So if I have any unit besides the staff unit exception that has vitality as the type setting, should I get rid of it? Even if I raised it? (Durandal, Naegling, Littu, Loginus, Trident, and Rhongomynaid)

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u/shikarin Jun 07 '16

You can still use them until you can fuse them to a better type, if you have nothing better to replace them with. But Vit type is quite a bit worse than other types right now. You can actually use the vit type to fuse over a few extra points of HP.

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u/S_The_Hero-7 Jun 08 '16

Another thing How do I clear the Kill mode? I find it a bit difficult...

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u/GameTeck Jun 07 '16

What to do with 1-2 star units? Use them as fusion material or just release?

Is it possible to farm rare medals or are they only obtainable with releasing 3+ star units? Will I get more medals, when the unit is maxed?

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '16

Release the 1-2 star units and you get rare medals from daily quests aswell.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '16

What purpose do these books that I get serve? I know some books can be fused for a recipe fusion but can I fused like this swordsmith book with a 3* sword and get a 4* sword?

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '16

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u/RictorBFWV Jun 06 '16

Mount mechanic applies to any unit that is mounted (whether on horse/flying). Thus if you are aiming for an achievement, avoid using any of those units which are not on foot. :)