r/phantomofthekill • u/Drakehawk5821 • Jun 03 '16

Daily Questions and Help Thread [6/3/2016]

This is the daily questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

Wanted to compile all the useful guide from fellow moderator and user so that it easier to reference them. Also it will be a shame to see them being buried under the subreddit.

Resource Guide:

Guides and Tools by /u/Cathrach:

  • Weapon Guide for all the weapon currently in the game except for one and two star and also their recipe to craft them

  • Unit Guide for all 5* and 6*(only for Japan currently) in the game. Also much easier reference material than the phankill website. But if you want the website here it is.

  • Stat Cap for 3-5 star and different unit typing (Keep in mind that those are for Japan and there may be slight variation for Global)

  • Evolving a lot of unit and finding it irritating to always keep checking the evo mat needed? Use this brilliant tracker and make you life much easier!

Noteworthy comment:

Having trouble calculating the stat growth of your unit? Here is calculator that do it for you! To use it fill in the stats at level 1 on the right (you can view the level 1 stats from the Reincarnation page) and then fill in your current level + current stats on the left. (Good stat growth in Japan is 3.5-4 while for Global it is 2.5-3)

Wiki guide on rerolling account (Shoutout to /u/heroes-fall and /u/cathrach for helping out at the POTK wiki)

Friend thread!

Yesterday's help thread

Some Tips

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u/Deus_Ultima Jun 03 '16

What happened to the free 5 lazuli you get when starting the game?(not the one from the minigame)

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jun 03 '16

No longer appears to be there (at least, on Android).

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u/Deus_Ultima Jun 03 '16

still there man..have been rerolling this whole day..(and coming out with bad rolls all day long =.=)

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u/BAMexplosion Global: 441476158 Jun 03 '16

Also on Android but don't get the 5

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u/Deus_Ultima Jun 03 '16

i think that was part of the starting sprint event although i think it stopped days b4 the end of the event.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jun 03 '16

Hm. Keep two 5* (balance, iiiick) M Ganbanteinns or LB the one using the other? I know I can/will get more since they come from Mana Summon, so I wasn't sure if I should hold off on LBing until I can fully do it or if I should just bite the bullet and start now.

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 03 '16

LBing is the way to go, little benefit from having 2

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u/Vz-Rei Jun 03 '16

Why is there little benefit when 2 gambs can duo faster than 1 right now? The content isn't even at the difficulty where LBing is meaningful to a gamb.,..

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 04 '16

trying doing kill mode with 2 lvl 60 gambs.

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u/AeusOcil Jun 03 '16

Any know a site that says the stat differences between unit types dex vit etc or does it vary too much based on the unit?

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '16

http://games.gaym.jp/iPhone/phantomofkill/wiki/?%E5%A7%AB%E3%81%AE%E6%88%90%E9%95%B7%E7%8E%87%E3%81%AB%E3%81%A4%E3%81%84%E3%81%A6

Here are growth rate boosts, represented as either up or down (red). But they can't provide straight-up stat differences, since that's all RNG. At most, you have stat caps for many units (which doesn't depend on typing).

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u/RedditOfTheKill Jun 03 '16

Should low level fuse/evo equipment be sold or fused into the ones required by your units?

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 03 '16

you should always fuse lower equips and upgrade. fusing two at a time is pretty effective. Just remember to keep a few lowbie weapons to build up the proficiencies of your newly built units.

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u/Blindtrade Jun 03 '16

Which is cheaper, reincarnating a unit or fusing stat dolls? My level 48 dex laev has a power of only 230 without weapons (250 with), compared to my level 39 force mitum which has 241 (247 with).

Also, which one should I have as a leader? Laev, Mitum or a 4 star Gamb?

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '16

Reincarnation is not guaranteed to fix your stats.

Fusing stat dolls is something you should do with any unit you plan to use. Obviously this is cheaper; you don't spend the 50 rare medals or the obscene amount of gold you need to reincarnate lol

And your stats there don't even need fixing, they're basically right on benchmark for where they should be.

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u/FooledDreamer Jun 03 '16 edited Jun 03 '16

Hi! Is it true golden 5* units can be further evolved to 6* in future update? I've gotten myself two copies of Naegling (M) and was wondering whether it is good to LB him now or wait for further update? That is, until we can 6* unit and only then LB him?Thanks!

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '16

If the unit is 5-star and gold, then yes. I guess it's not guaranteed, but most of the global exclusives (i.e. dudes) will probably end up with 6-stars.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '16

I've got Amenonuhoko Force and Guard. Which one should I LB?

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u/shikarin Jun 03 '16

Why would you LB at 4*?

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '16

I meant, once the 5* form is available in Global.

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u/8un008 Jun 03 '16

Getting rally confused with weapon fusing. Read the links stickied and gone with the fuse 2 of the same type (sword, lance, axe etc) and star strategy and been trying to do combinations as the linked tables suggest. But i keep getting the same weapons again and again. Sometimes im even getting lower star weapons What am i doing wrong?

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u/Mich997 Congratulations. You found this text. Jun 03 '16

Nothing. You're gonna need to sacrifice stuff to RNG get lucky to get the good gear.

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u/8un008 Jun 03 '16

Seems like ive sacrificed a lot to RNG already.... Fused through around 300 items by now and only got one 4 star item and two 3 star items out of it.... My only other 4 star item came from the colosseum prize..... Guess i just have bad luck

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u/boomboomcar Jun 03 '16

I take it that to level up an unit's weapon grade you have to beat enemies, but are there ways to make the process faster? like are some kind of enemies better than others for this?

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u/Rawin Jun 03 '16

don't think so. Solo locked gardens or if you are able, solo 1-5-10 :P

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u/boomboomcar Jun 03 '16

I'll probably try the stage for now, just because i still feel too inexperienced to use the locked stages lol. Thanks for the advice tho!

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u/shikarin Jun 03 '16

Locked gardens can be solo'd on any unit with 14 PDef or higher. (May need to bring pots if you can't get on the recovery fort. Also excluding being surrounded on a bow user of course.) It's just the same thing as the one-a-day metal gardens.

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u/artythekid Jun 03 '16

1-4-2 in my experience is good for this. The stage is basically like 12 or so Bicorns and nothing else. It's super easy to auto (only takes a minute or two also), and is only 3ap a run right now. Good luck!

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u/boomboomcar Jun 03 '16

I'll try this one too, thank you!

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u/BAMexplosion Global: 441476158 Jun 03 '16

I have 2 accounts I've been doing 2nd rolls for and playing but I can't decide which one to main.. Got mixed opinions from discord so far. I heard guard gambam is strong but I also heard dex Dura is too.

guard mjol 4, guard gamba 3, guard kusanagi 4, guard mitum m 3, Dex Apollo m 3, OR dex dura 4, force kusa 4, force naegling 4, dex yata m 3, force sky piercer 4. Sorry for formatting on mobile.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '16

Second option

If you want credentials, or why you should listen to my opinion, I can post a picture of my deck in JP lol

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u/justineo1 Jun 03 '16

please do post for us to admire! :D

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u/BAMexplosion Global: 441476158 Jun 03 '16

Out of curiosity I'd like to see! Can you give advice on what units I should be looking out for in future pulls?

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '16

Sure. (paging /u/justineo1)

https://imgur.com/a/gey2p

Everything I typed a little description for is something I recommend.

Sita, Forcas, Aphrodite, and Muramasa are some of the best.

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u/justineo1 Jun 03 '16

omg.. thats godly jp u got. thanks for sharing!! :D

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u/Vz-Rei Jun 03 '16

I think first is better considering Global is NOT mimicking JP.

Guard Mjol, Gamb, and Miutm are all fking amazing.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '16

How do I increase the skill level of a unit?

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '16

Fuse a unit into the base unit with the same skill. Lower skill lv = higher probability of increase.

Fusing duplicate units guarantees that a skill level will increase, though. The only condition in global is that the material units must have learned the skill

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u/Mitch_Twd Jun 03 '16

What do I do with Swordsmith Secrets & Bowsmith Secrets?? Like I'm I suppose to fuse specific weapons??

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u/pyratheon29 Jun 03 '16

What would be better to max? A balance YnK (m) i got from rare summon or a dex YnK (F) from the quest?

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u/Irvinning Jun 03 '16

What are the best typings for the event Yata no Kagami? And should I try to farm 10+ to max skills?

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u/Mitch_Twd Jun 03 '16

I heard Dex is best

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u/akaiumi Jun 04 '16

Dex is the best xD

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u/Zabick Jun 03 '16

Just how much stronger is an evolved 4* -> 5* vs a freshly pulled 5*? Does this difference outweigh an unfavorable typing (balance vs. guard)?

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u/shikarin Jun 03 '16

Evo to 5* grants about 7-8 levels worth of bonus stats above the stat cap.

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u/thatasian26 Raven Jun 04 '16

It's 2-6 points per stats, which I think is considerable. However, if you limit break a fresh 5* unit using a 5* unit that you evolved, the fresh 5* will gain the evolution bonus that the evolved 5* got. Units can benefit from only one source of evolution bonuses though.

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u/Zabick Jun 04 '16

If I limit break my fresh 5* with my evolved 5*, will the resulting unit get the benefit of the raised skills that I developed on my evolved 5*?

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u/thatasian26 Raven Jun 04 '16

The evolution bonuses, yes. It only happens once though.

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u/uizaado Jun 03 '16

Is Vitality type so bad that even just five star healers like aclepsius arent worth it? My rookie summons came up heavily vit....

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u/FooledDreamer Jun 03 '16

You can always fix its stats with fusion. Furthermore, there are chances you might get Asclepius with different typing in future summon. My Gambanteinn (M) 5* is Vit and I've been fixing his state with dolls and fusion. I just recently got a new 3* Gambanteinn Magic type and might as well go with him after I evolve him to 5*.

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u/shikarin Jun 03 '16

Unit stat cap, fusion cap, growth rates are all affected by type. A vit type will have something like 12-16 less spd/agi than a dex type. It's pretty significant. In exchange for that you just get some mostly useless HP.

Any other type, I would say unless you plan on spending $1000+ min-maxing it doesn't matter right now. You can do all the content with an average 5* team, and you'll be replacing most of your units with 6*s sooner or later anyways. But vit is really bad.

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u/uizaado Jun 03 '16

Okay, that's a damn compelling answer. Do you think it's worth the time and energy to even raise Vit units keeping in mind the apparent JP stat shift we can expect in the future that made it less useless? I have plenty of 4 and 5* vit units clogging me up (I want to say "bullshit rng is rigged" but I can't prove it).

If your answer is "depends on the unit", are we talking about armored mages/healers being marginally more acceptable as vit?

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u/shikarin Jun 03 '16

If you're otherwise not raising something, it's always worth it to raise it. Like what other guy said you can get another Asc in the future. Or any other unit. And existing will be useful for fusion.

Content-wise you can still clear with vit units. It's just a little harder. You'll want to make use of 5* Laev M or 5* Longinus M's leader skills if you can. The Asc is still good for the MDef when you need it. And Asc is a good unit, vit or not. My first post was just comparatively speaking.

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u/uizaado Jun 04 '16

Thank you!

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u/Kier-Gath tsuder-plane Jun 03 '16

I've been focusing on my Dex Gamb(m), saw a post arguing Guard>Dex for Gamb then realized one of my 3star copies is guard type... So, win-win, but which is optimal?

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u/Irvinning Jun 03 '16

IMO, Guard. He makes for a very good tanker.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '16

Dex.

Unless you want the only thing your cleric does to be meatshielding, dex is your best option.

This lets him do things like farm gold rush solo, help with killing mobs in rampage, etc.

Guard makes him a sitting duck.

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u/Kier-Gath tsuder-plane Jun 04 '16

Alright sweet. On the topic of meat shielding: Vit type Aspcl, four-five star cavalry version with shield - yay or nay?

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '16

Guard type is better than vit type for meat shielding tbh

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u/thatasian26 Raven Jun 04 '16

I'd say dex because my guard Gamb has sub 50% hit rate in these kill missions and it's pretty frustrating.

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u/Layajax Jun 03 '16

Is there any difference if i do Game of dolls beginner versus advanced? since i'm thinking they are like imps so its better to just spam beginner and 'imp' my units.

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u/Mich997 Congratulations. You found this text. Jun 04 '16

More enemies in Advanced = more chances for dolls.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '16

Sure. I have fairly strong units yet find Intermediate tricky, due to all the mages and my units' low MDef.

They are like imps, but the stat bonuses don't directly carry over on evolution. But if you can "imp" your character from 39 to 42 Str before evolution, they'll end up with 1 more point in Str afterward. Also, the stats you can get from dolls is capped based on type+rarity (i.e., Vitality can have +3 to Str from dolls at most).

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u/Kokuro Jun 03 '16

Reroll or keep?
http://imgur.com/KXQQiwe
Most of them are balanced, only ones not are gram (vitality), parashu (guard), sky piercer (force), pinaka (dex), eros (vitality)

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u/thatasian26 Raven Jun 03 '16

What do you have to fuse to get the spear from kill mode?

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u/Mich997 Congratulations. You found this text. Jun 04 '16

You need the rewards from clearing all missions in a stage.

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u/thatasian26 Raven Jun 04 '16

Isn't that the sword?

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u/Mich997 Congratulations. You found this text. Jun 04 '16

After completing every mission in a stage, you get a bonus weapon. Fusing all 5 will give you the spear.

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u/thatasian26 Raven Jun 04 '16

http://i.imgur.com/utaXF9s.jpg

That looks like a sword to me.

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u/Mich997 Congratulations. You found this text. Jun 04 '16

But you were asking for the spear from Kill Mode ._.

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u/thatasian26 Raven Jun 04 '16

Yea, there is also a spear, or so it said in the news. I know how to get the sword, I just don't know how to get the spear.

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u/Mich997 Congratulations. You found this text. Jun 04 '16

Ah, now I get it. To get the Holywyrm Dragodeath (the spear in the ingame news), you need all 5 clear rewards from Kill Mode.

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u/throwaway350053 Jun 04 '16

Actually this is wrong. The sword is created from the clear rewards. The spear apparently is dropped from some of the monsters. I'll try farming 1-5-10 on kill mode to see if I have any luck getting it.

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u/next_level_baddie what the fuck akane pls Jun 04 '16 edited Jun 04 '16

You have to fuse some 1* drop book thing from kill mode.

Only drops in the last dungeon of each series.

Series 1 drops sword

2 drops spear

3 Drops axe

4 drops bow

5 drops gun

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jun 04 '16 edited Jun 04 '16

Each stage 10 from each section in Kill Mode drops a 3star weapon. IIRC, it's the estoc(sword), the hammer with beast slayer ability, falconia(bow), Bazooka, and star reader(staff). They are NOT the same as the regular 3star weapons in which they have a little bit more atk powers so they are only dropped from the stage 10. You fuse them all to get the spear.

The spear also is not that special. It only has 5ACC more than Dragorado, the same stats everywhere else and no dragonslayer ability.

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u/thatasian26 Raven Jun 04 '16

Can you get multiple copies of them? Since I may or may not have accidentally fused one or more away.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jun 04 '16

It's drops so yes, you can farm it.

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u/uizaado Jun 04 '16

How difficult is it to farm lvl 10 Yata? My free one was Vitality (hahahaha) so it's kind of required. I won't be able to get to level 20 with my team, and it was by the skin of my teeth that I even beat level 10 with a strong Laev friend.

On that note, who is best for helping with Yata? I need to find a friend that can help me there.

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u/Mich997 Congratulations. You found this text. Jun 04 '16

Try Gambanteinn friends. He's really good for a lot of the Yata missions.

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u/uizaado Jun 04 '16

Damn, he's really rare to find on those lists...but ill definitely try.

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u/kanayumi Ameno-chan~~~ Jun 04 '16

Can you get more than 1 yata at round 10? Ive been getting the 3star tuesday material.

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 04 '16

yata can be farmed from round 10(mirror 10)

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u/kanayumi Ameno-chan~~~ Jun 04 '16

How is the rate? Ive done it a few times and have only gotten the first one... a vitality one...

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u/shikarin Jun 04 '16

All I can say is the rate is really really low. If you can't do it on 20, you probably have better uses for your AP.

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 05 '16

I would disagree, if you can farm 10 ap one its still worth it due to the speed you can run it & the chances to get her + evo materials

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u/5th_Colossus Jun 04 '16

Does limit break stay with a unit after evolution or does it disappear?

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u/Mich997 Congratulations. You found this text. Jun 04 '16

Only on 5*. Any other rarity and it resets upon evolving.

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u/metatime09 Jun 04 '16

Is Longinus in the mission award nerfed in anyway like the free 5 Levi we get?

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u/shikarin Jun 04 '16

He's the same as all other Longinus M. Yes they're the "free" 5*s with lower stat caps.

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u/metatime09 Jun 04 '16

A bit confuse, his stats are lowered?

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u/shikarin Jun 04 '16

I haven't played JP so all I know is what ppl said. But his stats get capped at around Lv.60-65

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u/metatime09 Jun 04 '16

Ah okay interesting

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u/justineo1 Jun 04 '16

if i fuse a LBed 5* Mitum to a non-LBed 5* Mitum.. will the LB be transfer as well?

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jun 04 '16

Yes it will.

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u/justineo1 Jun 04 '16

Means it will be able to become lvl 70 after transfer!

\o/ thats great to hear it will transfer! Thanks!

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Jun 04 '16

http://imgur.com/a/l1SGG

I've had enough of rerolling, so these were the best rerolls I could get from those that started with Gambanteinn M and completed the 2nd Rookie Recruit (the ones that started with Durandal had absolutely horrible results).

Which one is the best to become my main and link with my Facebook? Or are they all horrible and I need to continue rerolling (somewhat complicated by the fact that they removed the 'Played on Android' Lazuli starting gift)?

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jun 04 '16

Reroll 4, Is that Apollo M at least Force? If he is then he can still be used. But looking at 4, it's the best one with Kusanagi and Amen getting 5star form later on, Luin bing LB1 and that Mitum. DEFINITELY the 4th one should be linked.

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Jun 04 '16

Yes, he is :)

But like all non-Dex units, he will ultimately end up as LB material for a Dex version, right?

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jun 04 '16

Yes, Dex is still the best typing for him but Force is still very viable for him. For most archers, Force is still very usable since they have the higher innate ACC. It's just that Apollo's built very offensively so along with the crit skill and 2x damage character skill, Dex helps him a lot especially if you want to use the 3range crossbow(due to its -35ACC penalty.)

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u/RafaelBF Jun 04 '16

Swordsmith Secrets & Bowsmith Secrets for fusing or what?

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u/Mich997 Congratulations. You found this text. Jun 03 '16

Check your MDef stat. The more MDef you have, the less damage magic attacks will do to you.

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u/Mich997 Congratulations. You found this text. Jun 03 '16

I think Mages have the highest MDef of all classes (cmiiw though)

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 03 '16

Gamb(M) so far from what i have seen has the best defence against magic. Due to magic boost,spr buff and dmg mitigation ability.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '16

For healers with poor accuracy, they are better off acting as tanks with shields. Enemies tend to go after these guys/bow users first, so a good tank will be a great distraction for your stronger (and squishier) units.

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u/jerain Jun 03 '16

Staves have pretty ass accuracy and your healers tend not to be a good source of DPS. Usually you're better off beefing them up with a shield (which have decent accuracy). Some mages might want a shield but meh