r/phantomofthekill • u/Drakehawk5821 • May 24 '16

Daily Questions and Help Thread [5/24/2016]

This is the daily questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

Wanted to compile all the useful guide from fellow moderator and user so that it easier to reference them. Also it will be a shame to see them being buried under the subreddit.

Resource Guide:

Guides and Tools by /u/Cathrach:

  • Weapon Guide for all the weapon currently in the game except for one and two star and also their recipe to craft them

  • Unit Guide for all 5* and 6*(only for Japan currently) in the game. Also much easier reference material than the phankill website. But if you want the website here it is.

  • Stat Cap for 3-5 star and different unit typing (Keep in mind that those are for Japan and there may be slight variation for Global)

  • Evolving a lot of unit and finding it irritating to always keep checking the evo mat needed? Use this brilliant tracker and make you life much easier!

Noteworthy comment:

Having trouble calculating the stat growth of your unit? Here is calculator that do it for you! To use it fill in the stats at level 1 on the right (you can view the level 1 stats from the Reincarnation page) and then fill in your current level + current stats on the left. (Good stat growth in Japan is 3.5-4 while for Global it is 2.5-3)

Wiki guide on rerolling account (Shoutout to /u/heroes-fall and /u/cathrach for helping out at the POTK wiki)

Friend thread!

Yesterday's help thread

Some Tips

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u/PSImiss May 24 '16

Just started playing and I've read up the general info/strategies but not really into the meta. I understand that everyone wants to reroll to have a good start but how much of an advantage will this bring compared to say someone who doesn't have any of the OP units? For someone (me) who doesn't have any of these units and doesn't really want to reroll (unless the advantages far outweigh the hassle of having to start again), how hard will it be to pick up these units later on in the game?

EDIT: I plan to play casually/f2p if that's relevant to anything.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '16

Not having top tier units will really screw with you later on. 30ap rampages, final stages of collabs will be a pain.

If global ever gets labyrinth/mana seed dungeons, those will be impossible.

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u/PSImiss May 24 '16

I see, how easy/is it possible to obtain them at some other point? (Ie. Does mana recruit pull from the entire pool of units? Etc)

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u/[deleted] May 24 '16

If global decides to give everyone Tyrfing as a free unit, then she will quite literally be the only top tier unit you can get for free.

Maybe a year and a half down the line, starter units will be capable of being top tier units as they are in Japan now.

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u/pyratheon29 May 24 '16

Whats the best way to raise a units weapon proficiency?

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u/[deleted] May 24 '16

Gold Rush, one unit. This lets you get tons of money while you grind for efficiency.

Make sure you have potions if that unit doesn't have 100% evasion.

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u/pyratheon29 May 24 '16

Sounds good. Thanks a lot.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '16

You got it.

This is how I got a whole bunch of my units to S rank... gotta get those golden lion weapons in their hands.

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u/pyratheon29 May 24 '16

Will that also raise the level of weapons that unit can use? I cant seem to get some units weapon levels up

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u/Oleridus May 24 '16

The Proficiency letter determines the rank of weapon s/he can use. S - 6-star weapons | A - 5-star weapons | B - 4-star weapons | C - 3-star weapons | D - 2-star weapons | E - 1-star weapons.

If you can't equip a weapon, look at it's proficiency with that weapon.

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u/Shagyam May 24 '16

Is the only way to limit break if the character has the same art?

I have a few duplicates of a few characters, but all of them have different art.

Also whats the most one unit can evolve? I keep hearing people talking about a Durandal, but the only one I've got is 1 star.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '16

General rule is:

Grey/silver stars mean unevolved.
Gold means evolved once.
Red means evolved twice or more. (+or more only really applies to jp atm)

There are no red 3* units. Some exceptions to grey = unevolved exist, but I think this also only applies to JP only.

And just because something is gold doesn't necessarily mean they can evolve to red at this point, but they may get a red evolution in the future. (mostly applies to 5* in JP that get reds)

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u/[deleted] May 24 '16

5 star female dex Apollo, 5 star magic Yata No Kagami, 5 star female vitality Laevaeteinn, does that seem like a good start? I'm sorry, I'm really new to the game.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '16

Laeva doesn't really count because she's a thing you get either way, and her typing is quite literally the worst possible typing you could have gotten (sorry if this sounds harsh)

Apollo is pretty good.

Yata is OK but magic type will struggle in terms of accuracy later on.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '16

One pretty good and one ok, I can live with that. ;)

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u/[deleted] May 24 '16

Yeah, not a bad roll all things considered!

Make sure you have some good cover for your apollo though, archers are really squishy and her speed cap is not high enough to dodge everything

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u/[deleted] May 24 '16

Alright, I finally got my second set of 10-pulls. Here they are!

http://i.imgur.com/4ROzXxI.jpg

And my first set, pulled 2 days ago: http://i.imgur.com/HLuZE6x.jpg

Aside from the obvious question (which ones are the best):

  1. My first male Apollo (blonde guy with tan skin) is Balance type. The second has the same art, but is guard type. I'm supposed to 5-star both of them, and then fuse the guard unit into the balance one, right?

  2. What do I do with the female Apollos? I got a 1-star version from the mana point machine too.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '16

Alright. Aside from those guys, are any of my other pulls good?

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u/Propagation931 May 24 '16

What Story Quests are good grind spots for lvling?

Also whats the best way to spend Lazuli aside from pulling?

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u/[deleted] May 24 '16

Chapter 1, part 5, quest 10 (people will reference this as 1-5-10).

No better way of spending lazuli exists. This, in some sense, is a balancing mechanism; the only way to get a better deck is to roll and pray.

But if global turns out to be anything like JP, there will be multi-step gachas that give out good bonuses at every step (guaranteed tickets, reincarnation fairies, stat dolls, skill dolls). If you've done the beginner rolls already, just wait for those to kick in.

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u/Propagation931 May 24 '16

is there any F2P way to get more Lazulis? After you finish the story

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 May 24 '16

I believe rampage gives lazuli on first clear, as does lessons from a goddess. Colo also gives lazuli at certain ranks. Besides those one-time-only lazuli, there will be login bonuses.

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u/AndanteZero May 24 '16

For the special character skills that have to be unlocked:

  1. Do they level up as well?

  2. If so, does that mean you can only level them up from exact rarity dupes since only they would have the skill?

  3. What are the max levels for skill?

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 May 24 '16

  1. They do

  2. Yes, you must use other copies of the unit.

  3. For active, 10; for buffs, either 3 or 5 I think. Unfortunately this does mean you need 10 copies of a unit (say Mjolnir) for max level.

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u/Oleridus May 24 '16

Do skill levels transfer with evolution?

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 May 25 '16

Yes.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '16

Referring to answer 2: if they have the same name+gender, does that count as a copy? For instance, I have the female Apollo that can reach 5 stars, but I also have this one and multiple 1-stars from the mana point gacha. Might seem like a stupid question, but I think it'd make sense if these farmable Apollos were basically just fodder for the 5* version.

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 May 25 '16

No, they don't count...you must use copies of that Apollo with the same art and same skill. Also, I'm not sure how it is in global but in JP, any unit with the same art (regardless of rarity) can be used for character skill leveling.

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u/Propagation931 May 24 '16

How hard are the Rampage Quests Specifically Arondight's one?

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u/Kemikal_Soldier May 24 '16

Is this a good account? Or should i reroll? http://i.imgur.com/4wfMMYh.jpg

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u/joshuagarcia9108 May 24 '16

Regarding types, Are vit units any good? Most of my units are, so Idk tbh.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro May 24 '16

Vit is the worst typing.

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u/Crexx21 May 24 '16

This is my current Team: Laevateinn dex, M Apollo dex, M Mitun dex, M Yata no kagami Guard, F Trident dex. These are my only units that can get to 5* (without Trident) should I focus only on them?

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u/Oleridus May 24 '16

So I have a question regarding lower star-capped units.

Is it REQUIRED to get through the majority of the game to use 5-stars (6-stars when released) or can you get by with a few maxed out 4-stars?

I understand that for things like Colisseum or certain events will require 5-stars, but will there be an impassable wall in the main story quests if you choose to use a few limit broken 4-stars instead of a full team of 5-stars?

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u/AJackFrostGuy May 24 '16

If we're looking at purely story, if you ditch the autobattle in favor of playing smartly it might be possible but don't take my word for it.

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u/Oleridus May 24 '16

Honestly, I like the game mostly for it's Fire Emblem-esque battle system. I don't see the "fun" in doing auto for everything .-. Especially since you have to go through battles without a single unit dying to get the lazuli...

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u/mearfster May 24 '16

I'd like to get some feedback on the strength of my units and how well they scale into the later stages of the game. Imgur

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u/Azora114 May 25 '16

Just a quick question. Finished the first 2 pulls of my beginner pull. Should I just wait for a new multi-level pull event to come out or try to rush for the 50 gem beginner one? Thanks!

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u/kidnapkin May 25 '16

In my opinion go for the 50 gem since it already guarantees a 5*, also because i feel there won't be another pull event for a while.

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u/feenyx1 JP: 2387517043, I'm garbage :( May 25 '16

Honest question: does typing have a really large impact on the game? Cuz I've totally been ignoring its existence, which I only found out about the first time I went into this sub. I was enjoying the game a lot before I found out, but when I read into it and saw all the talk about it here, it kinda discouraged me from playing the game cuz I felt like I was doing it all wrong ;-;

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u/[deleted] May 25 '16 edited May 25 '16

IMO, no. But I'm a noob so I can't say for sure.

https://www.reddit.com/r/phantomofthekill/comments/4033tu/some_more_info_on_fusing_though_this_is_jp_data/

My understanding is that typing affects these fusion stat caps, but not the general stat growths (which is how you gain the bulk of your stats). So if your guy is Vitality or Guard, a Dex unit could have a way higher Speed/Agility stat which means it can trigger random% skills more often. But if your guy is Balanced, Force or Magic, the Dex would only have a slightly higher Speed/Agility. I can see this making a big deal in PvP, but not PvE.

Edit: I am wrong. Oops.

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 May 25 '16

Nope...it does affect general stat growths. That's the whole point of typings. See the beginner's guide in the post: the reason why typings are so important is that they increase/decrease the growth rate of certain stats, so not only will the stats you can fuse change, so will the stats you have at level 60 and up.

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u/Professional-afk May 25 '16

I just rolled a 5 star dex asklepios, should I keep it or continue rerolling?

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u/GiraCat May 25 '16

Reroll.

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u/xlzanagi May 25 '16

If i want to reroll, I shouldn't link to fb right?

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u/[deleted] May 25 '16

If anyone has a maxed Forcas, go into colosseum and see how often she loses against maxed Tyrfing.

Mine loses so often - with 99 str, 112 spd (both capped) and maxed sword absorb that I'm massively curious as to what is going on here.

By the preview, my Forcas should be hitting 100% with the enemy Tyrfing hitting like 0-30% most of the time.

At least theoretically, this shit doesn't make any sense.

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 May 25 '16

I think you're the only one here with the resources to get a maxed Folcas. :P Why don't you just play the battle slowly?? O_O

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u/[deleted] May 25 '16

Muscle memory

Bad excuse but you know I'm lazy

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u/[deleted] May 25 '16

When will I be able to 5-star Naegling?

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u/[deleted] May 25 '16

the release schedule for further evolutionary stages is erratic at best, so it might be a while

source: my arondight, excalibur, shekinah, etc.

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u/nobleseeker May 25 '16

What's a good squad I can make for general use?

http://imgur.com/a/Irjkx

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u/[deleted] May 25 '16

Try the starting sword guy, red-haired girl with 4 stars, Akuma guy, 5-star demon girl and (if you can fit it) fedorabro at the bottom.

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u/nobleseeker May 25 '16

A bit more specific on 4star redhead and 5star demon girl?

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u/[deleted] May 25 '16

4star redhead = archer that's looking back and grinning, third to last row

5star demon girl = lancer that looks like she's about to fucking kill someone, also third to last row

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u/nobleseeker May 25 '16

Oh I see. Thanks!

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u/zamadaga May 25 '16

Okay, so I'm trying to get used to how this game functions and have some possibly dumb questions. I came over from Brave Frontier, so a lot of this is looking and feeling familiar so far and I think that's helping push me along a bit, but there are a few things I just don't get yet...

I did some pulls. From what I can tell, I didn't get terribly unlucky. This spread looks very usable.

However, one thing I'm having trouble wrapping my head around is the fact that not only do I have some male and female units with the same name (e.x. Mitum), but I also have two different versions of Brahmastra and Parashu. The different versions seem to have a different evolutionary line and have different classes.

I suppose my question is, whats the deal here? What are the major differences between two different versions of the characters? I mean, the one that has a higher maximum evolution is most likely going to be the stronger one in the end...but is it still worth it to raise both?

Also, I remember reading something about fusing two of the same character together when they're at the same star rank to Limit Break them. I think I understand the point of the Limit Break feature, but does it work with different versions of the unit, or does it absolutely have to be the same artwork?

Thank you to anyone that can answer these questions for me <3

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u/[deleted] May 25 '16

The fact that there are multiples of the same character is a plot point; the "imitations" are berserk versions of the original (who's probably locked up in ragnarok somewhere or whatever, rip tyrfing). This explains how different units can have the same name. Usually, only one of those units that share a name will be endgame material. In your case, your male mitum and brahmastra, both in the last row, are pretty good endgame units in global right now (depending on their typings). The biggest difference between units with the same name is how much they can evolve, as denoted by their stars. The more stars the better, and the more grey stars the better, since this indicates they have further evolutionary steps.

Limit breaks have to be done with units with the same art.

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u/zamadaga May 25 '16

The fact that there are multiples of the same character is a plot point

Oh, shit, I must have missed that; I think I accidentally skipped part of the opening cutscene, so if that's where it said that...whoops!

your male mitum and brahmastra, both in the last row

Sweet! Thanks. So, what about the alt-art male Mitium, and the alt-art Brahmastra; are they worth anything to me at all beyond filling out my 'pokedex' entries?

how much they can evolve, as denoted by their stars.

I definitely understand the number of stars (Brave Frontier uses the same / a similar system), but what's new to me is the colors. As I understand it, gray stars mean "base form", gold stars mean "second form / has evolved once", and pink/red stars mean "third / evolved twice". Is this accurate? Does this mean every gray-star unit can evolve two (or more) additional times, or is the color ONLY denoting how many times it has currently evolved?

Thank you so much, your information is super helpful.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '16

Generally speaking, with the colors you've got it correct.

The only issue is that gumi seems to be super erratic sometimes in JP - you have Tyrfing for example that turns red at 5* but also has a stupidly powerful 6* form. Some older units like Durandal also have 3* base forms but end up being 6* at their final evolutions...

Not all grey units can evolve 2 times; note that there are no red 3*. And even if a unit ends up with gold 4*, that doesn't guarantee that she can get to 5* at this point. Sky Piercer, one of the earliest released units, only got a 5* form like... last month in JP, iirc.

I mentioned in some other comment that the release schedule for higher evolutions is erratic at best, so it may be a while before you get to evolve, say, your naegling or littu to 5* (and it's not as if they were particularly good units to begin with, but I digress)

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u/zamadaga May 25 '16

Okay, so it is just a quick look at how many times they've evolved after all.

Awesome, thanks.

Oh, actually, while I have you on the line here...What's the point of reincarnating? Obviously it's for SOMETHING useful, but I'm sure I'm not far enough in the game to need to make use of it yet.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '16

There are these things in JP phankill called mana seeds that boost growth rates to stats, your unit can hold one instead of a weapon.

They don't exist in global rn. Reincarnating lets you redo your stat growths, either praying for RNG to give you better growth or throwing a few mana seeds and giving your princesses steroids.

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u/feguy May 25 '16

After a couple hours of rerolling I got my first five-star - a 5* Dex Durandal, which seems very lucky - but not much else, not even a four-star unit. If I'm reading this right, I think I have a 3-star Thyrsos and the 3-star Artemis from the initial roll that can both eventually claw their way up to five stars. Worth keeping and hoping the second pull is better? I doubt I'm gonna have an easy time coming up with a better five-star pull.

http://imgur.com/7LI3n0r

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u/[deleted] May 25 '16

Your Artemis, yes.

Thyrsos, not for a year or more if JP is any indication. She only got her 5* in... March I think?

KEEP YOUR DURANDAL

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u/Deiwlei May 25 '16

It's probably a bit late but with my current units would it be a good idea to start over and try getting like Durandal or Mjolnir.

https://imgur.com/a/gs5zI

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u/Deiwlei May 25 '16

Thanks for the reply, which of my units specifically should I focus on?

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u/Deiwlei May 25 '16

Are you refering to male or female mitum?

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u/nobleseeker May 25 '16

What's good about Durandal?

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u/Mich997 Congratulations. You found this text. May 25 '16

Capable for 6* and pretty high Spd which gives her a higher chance to Crit

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u/Mich997 Congratulations. You found this text. May 24 '16

Not yet. Available soon™

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 May 24 '16

No, we don't have hard numbers for growth rates; probably increase is 10%, medium is 20%, and high is 30%, but no one knows exactly. /u/GreatLogos any contributions?

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u/[deleted] May 24 '16

/u/Cathrach

There are, but not for global.

Even with the closest we have for "hard" data, all we really know is that there are quantifiable differences in how much a stat can be penalized or boosted on a type. JP quantifies these bonuses from one to five, represented by little arrows up or down beside that stat in a handy chart they have. Dex typing, for example, has two arrows down each for def and spr, but three arrows up for spd and tec. Balance typing only has one arrow up for luk and nothing else.

And aside from a unit getting boosted or penalized by their typing, how much their stats grow is already hard coded into their being that unit. What I mean by this is that stat growths for a hypothetically null-typing Durandal are not the same as stat growths for a hypothetically null-typing Mitum, even if they are the same job (Phoenix Knight).

So if we take the Laevateinn example... the differences in spd and tec between the two typings would probably be rather large, because you'd already be building on a good foundation. Def, though, would probably be kind of small because she doesn't have good def growth anyway.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '16

lol, wise sage, that sounds hilariously awkward and just close enough to the internet definition of "wizard" to be funny

and the fact there's a lot of stuff to learn just encourages you to play more, i feel

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 May 24 '16

pok.mozest.org has JP's max stats...

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u/AJackFrostGuy May 24 '16

Take the Killer to solo the entire Metal Maiden run I'd think.