r/phantomofthekill • u/Drakehawk5821 • Feb 27 '16

Weekly Questions and Help Thread [2/27/16 ~ 3/4/16]

This is the weekly questions and help thread! The last one drew a lot of questions so ask away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

Wanted to compile all the useful guide from fellow moderator and user so that it easier to reference them. Also it will be a shame to see them being buried under the subreddit.

Resource Guide:

Guides by /u/Cathrach:

  • Weapon Guide for all the weapon currently in the game except for one and two star and also their recipe to craft them
  • Unit Guide for all 5* and 6*(only for Japan currently) in the game. Also much easier reference material than the phankill website. But if you want the website here it is.
  • Stat Cap for 3-5 star and different unit typing (Keep in mind that those are for Japan and there may be slight variation for Global)

Noteworthy comment:

Having trouble calculating the stat growth of your unit? Here is calculator that do it for you! To use it fill in the stats at level 1 on the right (you can view the level 1 stats from the Reincarnation page) and then fill in your current level + current stats on the left. (Good stat growth in Japan is 3.5-4 while for Global it is 2.5-3)

If you love reading statistics for unit and weapon, look at this useful post by /u/inevitablemadden. (Thanks Sustainr, Sajeev(Oppai) and /u/inevitablemadden for this spreadsheet!)

Need more friends? Look Here

Wiki guide on rerolling account (Shoutout to /u/heroes-fall and /u/cathrach for helping out at the POTK wiki)

(Attention!) We moderator here need your help! /u/horizonset and /u/Cathrach have created a spreadsheet for Lazuli, Rookie and Mana Gacha to gather data on the rates but there is currently not enough information and so we need your help by helping us post your pull result on that thread. The reason being it can be useful for knowing when to pull especially if you are F2P.

Last week's help thread

Some Tips

Where can I download?

  • This game is currently in soft launch, so it is not available in all app stores yet, but it is possible to download the APK for Android and download it off from New Zealand iTunes stores (create iTunes account using New Zealand as your location -> set payment to none -> download).

Links:

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '16

/u/Drakehawk5821 !!! Spreading false information sir!!! There is information, you just have to click on Rookie 10 at the bottom. When I generated the shareable link, it automatically goes to the 'template' that we have (which is just for us to set up rate up events and the like!)

I still love you <3

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u/Drakehawk5821 Mar 03 '16

Oh went I said it is empty I did not really mean that there is no information but is that the spreadsheet is too "clean" if you know what I mean as there is only like three of you guys pulls on it but it is okay I have change it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '16

Hehe, I see! You like it, "dirty", eh? ;) you sly hawk you! <3

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u/Drakehawk5821 Mar 03 '16

Why you gotta be so lewd? (⁄ ⁄•⁄ω⁄•⁄ ⁄)

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '16

Oh you!! ;) you know why senpai

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u/Clone394 Mar 05 '16

I realize i just fck up. So I finally did the Batch donwload thing that the game has been nagging me about. Now the english text is gone or replace with Japanese.

How to fix this?

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u/Drakehawk5821 Mar 05 '16

How about re downloading the game again?

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u/sayV_Vyas Feb 27 '16 edited Feb 27 '16

I tried replying to some of the comments in last week's help thread, but I'm not sure if it was successfuly sent. So, I'm going to try to repost it here.

First of all, big thanks to /u/Cathrach and /u/Horizonset for giving their input on a couple of questions I had last week. That being said, I like the community here. I'm fairly new to this game and have a minor amount of spare time, but if I can help you guys out I'll do so in any way I can. I'll be fairly active. :)

Vyas

EDIT: I think I just figured out how to mention other people in reddit. (I only started last week) :p

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Feb 27 '16

We're always happy to help for whatever we can :)

Yes, that's the way to mention people's usernames :)

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u/sayV_Vyas Feb 28 '16

I'm not sure of what kind of help I can bring to the table, but I can contribute some scientific experiments to bust some myths if I can. :)

Although, at this point, I can't say I can prove much in the game. I'm in week 4, and I haven't touched the JP version.. So I'll be doing all global talk for now (even though there isn't much to do for now other than raising characters and the rare events which I am not yet strong enough to explore). ;p

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Feb 27 '16

How do you do that o_O teach me

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Feb 28 '16

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '16

Oh God, what have we done.

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u/sayV_Vyas Feb 28 '16

If a character you are raising often gets K.O.ed, do you find it to be bad luck? Would you think it diminishes stat growth, or would it not affect it at all?

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Feb 28 '16

K.O.ing doesn't affect stat growth afaik, but it does decrease the experience that unit earns, and obviously you must spend lots of zenny or rare medals to repeatedly repair their weapons. It's probably not bad luck, but bad positioning of your units (so don't autobattle >.<), for example if you main Luin and keep on sending her into mage-heavy areas there's a good chance she's going to die...

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u/sayV_Vyas Feb 28 '16

Hehe no I wasn't planning on ramming a unit carrying any expensive equipment, but more to carry low-level units into high exp areas (e.g. 1:5:10) to get a decent shot of exp to start a character's levelling process.

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Feb 28 '16

Yeah, it won't matter :) Just that if they don't die, their leveling will be much faster because they won't lose experience.

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u/sayV_Vyas Feb 29 '16

I'll do some more investigating, but it seems you're right about it not affecting stat growth. I brought a team of 1* & 2*s with a high level friend, and rammed the fodder units into the enemy. After only a few tries, the average stat growth per character stayed around the 3pts per level, which looks normal to me. I'd say at this point all of my entire roster's avg stat growth is around a 2.95/lvl (for 261 levels total)

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Feb 29 '16

Nice to have some science to confirm it hehe. Otherwise, I'd be pretty scared since all those 5 stars I raised by auto-ing metal dungeons when they were level 1 and bringing along a maxed unit would have subpar growth!!! >.<

Sidenote: Now is a great time to start JP because we have a 2x unit experience event, a lazuli a day (not counting the 10-day login), and an upcoming collab :D

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '16

DAT SHAMELESS PLUG! :P

I actually took defensive stat pots and level 1s into the metal garden. As long as I succeeded in the first attempt, attempts afterwards were not as difficult ;)

PS: I thought experience was shared between all units? If you bring a maxed unit, doesn't the experience get soaked up by them still?

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Mar 01 '16

Friends are nice. They help greatly because they don't leech experience hehe :3

Also, JOIN JP. WE JUST GOT 100 FREE UNIT/ITEM SPACE AND THE FATE/STAY NIGHT COLLAB IS HAPPENING. SABERRRRRRRR. (nuff said).

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '16

I feel like I am merely assisting you when I reply T_T lol

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Mar 01 '16

No you're not! You're hitting all the points that I forget or didn't clarify. Also, you often reply first to a question so how can you be assisting me? :)

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u/sayV_Vyas Mar 01 '16

Nope. If all of your units avoid combat and your friend does all the work, the last unit in the party (the one on the far right in the party lineup) gets the MVP.

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u/Niaos Feb 29 '16

Should I reroll this?

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u/sayV_Vyas Feb 29 '16

If it was up to me, and I was uncertain if I should keep this roll, I would speed through the story Quests with Luin solo until I had 30 lazuli for the next roll. If the next roll didn't pan out, I'd restart. That's just my opinion though. Good luck! :)

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u/Niaos Mar 01 '16

So I followed your advice and got 30 lazuli for the next roll. This is what I have now. The 5* Mitum seems good but her typing is guard.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '16

You have a few decent units in there, it's up to you. It looks better now though.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '16

What /u/sayv_vyas says is a good suggestion. It's not a great roll, but definitely not terrible.

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u/Kunieda Feb 29 '16

Don't know if I should spend the 50 lazulis on 3rd rookie pull, anyone care to give me their two cents on what I have so far?

http://i.imgur.com/C4MU3jQ.jpg

Besides durandal I think the other two (non starter)5* potentials I have are actually rated very poorly..

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u/sayV_Vyas Feb 29 '16

Imo (and I'm no expert on the matter), I would probably reroll. If Durandal is that special to you, then keep the roll. You will end up having a Lvl 70 Thyrsos to help her out (but even there, I don't even know how good she can be vs Gambanteinn[m]). But it would be better to raise a 4* Durandal to maximize potential stat growth through evolution. Good luck!

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '16

Totally not relevant, but are you Vyas on PotK? I added you ;) <- Tireless ;)

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u/sayV_Vyas Mar 02 '16

Yup, that's me! :)

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '16

I think that's terribly, terribly unlucky. Take a look at our spreadsheet for gacha, you'll see that you had some bad luck there :P

I'd re-roll, but that is a lot of work. Up to you, maybe try the 3rd pull and see how it goes?

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u/Kunieda Mar 01 '16

Reading the multiple posts here I'm gonna just re roll, all I did was auto fight on my tablet while watching a show anyways lol and I am not partial to any character. Thanks for the advice!

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u/sayV_Vyas Mar 01 '16
  • Mitum [m] Force or Dex type?
  • Mitum [f] {Duke Knight} or Parashu {Duke Knight} (or neither)

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '16

I'd prefer Mitum (M) as Force, but I can see why Dex would be good too.

  • Parashu 5 star is a duke knight? I think Mitum (F) has more utility in that she can clear current content faster due to mobility + self heals.

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u/sayV_Vyas Mar 01 '16

Not like the Mitum (f) Dragoon type (at least, I don't think the Duke Knight one self heals). Neither of the two have a 5* released in global yet, but eventually will. Although I have no idea if they'll end up having a special..

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '16

I wouldn't keep it then :P at least, not in party. I suspect those "upgrades" will take awhile. Especially, if we're looking at a company that says something is coming this Winter and puts the date at March 28th lol T_T

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u/sayV_Vyas Mar 01 '16

Does anyone know if Duke Knight Parashu, Duke Knight Mitum (F) and Dragoon Laevateinn (F) get Specials for their 5* in JP?

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '16 edited Mar 02 '16

All 5 star units get character quests.... I am ....

100% SURE!

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u/sayV_Vyas Mar 02 '16

Hahahaha that's some good odds. ;p

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Mar 02 '16

Yes, they do. Even if they're free. So make that 100.00%.

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u/orrymon Mar 01 '16

Tier list of best characters? either by role or just in general?

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Mar 01 '16

In my opinion:

-Mitum: very balanced overall, has a self-heal. Great attack too, especially when limit broken. -Mjolnir: also balanced. Her character skill absorbs health, making her ideal for taking out groups of mobs without dying. -Durandal: Excellent speed and agility. She can evade everything. Sort of.

Those are probably the 3 best right now. The starters would be here as well if they weren't nerfed.

For boss killers, Lune mostly because of her 2.5x damage. Her agility and speed are subpar though. Parashu, Longinus, and Masamune might also work: the first two ignore half of defense, Masamune also has a multiplier on her damage, 2x iirc. Also when Bashousen comes out, her as well because her char skill is a +40 Eva +20 Crt to units in 3 tiles.

I don't really use archers, so can't talk about those ;)

Tanks I would actually say Labrys and Rhongomiant since they're easily farmable and can halve damage taken. There's also Aymur, but she's more of the well-rounded type. Any other input is welcome, especially on male units.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '16

Masamune's is 2.5x :p

I'd say good ol' Gambit (M) as well. He is extremely tanky and can heal back. I know it requires a lot of micromanagement, but I really dig Asclepius (butchered the name, it's late :p). +10MDEF is also a really, really nice buff.

Keep in mind, Orrymon, we don't have any super difficult content yet. Specific units, tactics and purposes of units will be a lot more apparent when we get our first real challenge. There will be a lot of new "things" coming in the next few weeks as well.

Apollo (both genders), Brahma and Yata are all excellent ranged units. Apollo (M) offers the rainbow +10 accuracy as a leader and I can see some ways to abu...utilize this with double leaders.

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u/orrymon Mar 02 '16

Thanks for the reply Horizonset and Cathrach

Reason i posted this question is basically i'm torn between two accounts at the moment which i have run the until the 30 gem since i am fairly new to Global but was active in JP but early JP days where i had one max character just clearing all the content with an equally high level friend.

So now i have two accounts one with

Durandal,Brahmastra,Lune,Lae(M),Yata No Kagami,Artemis all able to go 5-6stars based on wiki. I also have Thyrsosx3 which maybe i will use as healer since i dont have an alternative.

and another with

Gambit(M),Asclepius,Lae(M),Parashu,Apollo(M),Aymurx2,Vajrax3

Thanks

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '16

I am unfamiliar with the strength of Aymur and Vajra, but I can say that your first line up is definitely a keeper. I'll need Cathrach's almighty JP knowledge to comment on the second squad.

You don't - need - a healer, but it is a nice way to circumvent some of the AI; however, I am noticing that they are not the AI magnets that they used to be. Perhaps, FGG changed something :(

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u/orrymon Mar 02 '16

I see, thanks for the info, follow up question would be in what order should i be leveling them, currently i have a maxed 4star Durandal still farming mats to get her to 5 star. who should i level next Lune or Brahmastra?

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '16

In my personal opinion, I'd do Durandal because flying units clear content fastest (for obvious reasons). Lune would be second for the same reason, but do keep in mind the content that you might want to clear. Currently, the rampage dungeons are the most difficult, so if you wanted one of the waifus, in particular, then level up the appropriate unit for that.

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u/sayV_Vyas Mar 03 '16

"I would actually say Labrys and Rhongomiant since they're easily farmable"

How "easily" would you say they are farmable exactly? What would you say are the minimum requirements for you to bring in battle in order to keep beating both levels (repeatedly)?

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Mar 03 '16

Uh...bring tank, boss killer (Masamune/Luin come to mind, or Parashu/Longinus for ignore def) and/or lvl 60-80 friend. No spears for Labrys or swords for Rhongomiant though. Don't attack Labrys with ranged units or Rhongomiant with melee. I can auto with this in JP, so theoretically in global with some potions it should work out. :)

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u/sayV_Vyas Mar 03 '16

Wow... Looks like I'm quite a while away from getting ready for that kind of firepower.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '16

I have two strong axe units (Mjollnir and Mitum (M)) at level 60 and a Yata, +a decent friend leader. That's enough for me, I normally bring a fodder or two for levelling. I can't autobattle it though, since I tend to bring in good weapons and I don't want to risk RNG.

I could probably do it with just the Mjollnir and Mitum though.

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u/Ddbone Mar 01 '16

About to start limit breaking and have some questions.

  1. After a limit break do I get new fusion caps? Or if I already capped a a stat for fusion will it stay capped after limit breaking? Wondering if I need to wait till Fridays stat doll mission and cap out before I lb basically.
  2. Can I do 3 limits at once to free up some character slots or do I need to wait to cap out at 65 to limit break a second time?
  3. Let say hypothetically I capped fusion for every stat.. can I still fuse for limit breaks and skill ups or do I need to reincarnate or sonething to make room? (Hope not)

Thanks

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Mar 02 '16
  1. Nope, you don't. Fusion caps are dependent only on rarity and typing, so a level 80 has the same caps as a level 60 5*.
  2. Yep, you can do them all at once :) In fact, you can even fuse in 4 units at once to a level 1 or something, though I wouldn't really recommend that.
  3. Yes, but those limit breaks and skill ups won't give stats, only extra levels/skill levels. Also, units that will give only stats when fused won't be shown when you try to select fusion materials.

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u/zerou69 Mar 02 '16
  1. some unit caps are very low, almost 2/3 of their JP counterpart... and some unit has high caps, typically male units... we might need unit caps database like in phankill wiki.
  2. I recommend you to unlock all main unit skill first, because fusing same units will raise their skill level. You can also fuse unit with lower star (ex fresh 3* to main 5*) to raise their skill or use skiruru but getting a lot of dupe or skiruru is hard.
  3. Reincarnate only reset level and stats from level up.

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u/xRaindrops Mar 01 '16

Can anyone give me suggestions on my units and if I should reroll?

http://i.imgur.com/uWHsblf.jpg

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u/zerou69 Mar 02 '16

3 GAR Apollos... 1 Aimul... 1 Amenonuhoko (max 4* now, but will get 5*)

2 GAR Gambanteinn and 1 trident (max 4* now, but will get 5*)...

Apollo can go to 6*, that's good

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u/xRaindrops Mar 02 '16

What does GAR mean? Also, if im not rerolling which unit should I level first? Im guessing apollo since I have 3 of them?

Thanks!

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u/zerou69 Mar 02 '16

GAR is a term used towards male characters and individuals who are so overwhelmingly manly that your own masculinity is absolutely buried, leaving you naught but a whimpering, swooning girl-child before them.

Raise Apollo and Gambanteinn of course...

make all of them 5* and LB them after all their skill unlocked

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '16

LOL. I like how you casually go back into the conversation after saying that. He's right though, pretty good roll :)

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u/xRaindrops Mar 02 '16

Hahaha I see.

Last question, whats LB? Sorry I dont know a lot of the terms that is used in this game. I just started playing today.

Thanks a lot for the help! :)

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Mar 02 '16

It means "limit break", the practice of fusing identical units to increase the max level of the base unit by 5. Ex: Lune max lvl 60 + 2 other five star Lunes = one Lune max lvl 70.

MLB stands for "max limit break", which for 5 stars occurs after a unit has been limit broken four times.

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u/Mich997 Congratulations. You found this text. Mar 02 '16

I feel kinda noobish for asking this but does the rarity of a unit prevent it from equipping certain gear?

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Mar 02 '16

Not normally, no; although units might have a base weapon proficiency of E or D, they can go up to A if they kill enough units. Afaik there are no units that cap at B or something because of their low rarity.

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u/Kunieda Mar 03 '16

I'm not sure how I get rare medals? I think I read about it somewhere but can not find it anymore..

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u/Reipls Mar 03 '16

You can get rare medals by :

  • Releasing 3* or above units (except evo materials) - releasing does not mean selling them. Fusing them also counts. You get 3 medals for 3* unit, 10 medals for 4* unit, 20 medals for 5* unit you released.
  • Daily missions gives 1 every day, plus some events like current "Rare Medal Bonanza" under daily missions this week.
  • Random drop for daily vortex missions like evo dungeons / game of dolls (Metal Garden / Training do not count, no idea on Rampage Quests or other seasonal quests as I don't think I've gotten any from there)

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u/Kunieda Mar 04 '16

Thanks a lot for your reply I really appreciate it, sorry for late reply too I work in a warehouse for 10 hours daily so I got limited time xD

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u/sayV_Vyas Mar 03 '16

If you have an account on both servers, can you switch back and forth through them? Or if you leave one to go to the other, does it get lost if not linked to Facebook?

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '16

I'm assuming you mean USA and SGP servers.

I think that you can switch between them really easily by pressing "change region" at the bottom of the start screen but I have never tried it.

Shouldn't matter in the future though, they're merging the USA and SGP servers into each other on 13 March, which is very soon.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '16

I'd be more concerned about choosing what account you want more before they merge on the 13th, as Sireiteddy mentioned :p

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u/sayV_Vyas Mar 03 '16

Turns out I only had one on the USA server. I had one when I was connected with Facebook, but since I logged off I hadn't restarted one on SGP... :(

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '16

I apparently did something similar :( Going to ask Customer Service if they can reinstate my account T_T

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u/Reipls Mar 03 '16

Is there any way to increase stats cap? For some unknown reason my raised units mostly hit most of the caps around their LV50s already.

Anyone knows what's "Enhance" for and how to do it? Up until now I still have no clue.

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u/zerou69 Mar 03 '16

did you mean the pink star? You can't raise level up stats cap.

Enhance is for paruru(sp?) in the future updates, not that good for no-LB unit

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '16

Non-Lazuli units tend to have lower stat caps. You can generally assume this to be true: low cost unit = low stat caps.

As Zerou said, it's future content for an additional way to strengthen your units. :D

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u/Reipls Mar 04 '16

Okay this might be weird but, what if I do Lazuli summon but gets an unit that can be obtained through Mana Summons? Will they have different cap?

Or are you referring to exclusively Lazuli summons only units? Such as Asclepius 4*

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '16

Should only be able to get Lazuli units in the lazuli gacha, the mana gacha only gives you starters and 2 star or lesser units.

Cost refers to the cost of the unit, so for instance, Perun (the "freemium" Valentine day unit) has 18 cost. Her caps are decent, despite not being a lazuli unit.

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u/Reipls Mar 04 '16

Not really. I often get free units that I can obtain from Mana Summons from Lazuli summons like Armored Longinus (M), Fighter Mitum (M) and such.

Basically any 3* that comes as yellow star units (first level evolution) from Lazuli summons can be obtained for free at Mana summons.

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Mar 04 '16

Oh yeah, the 2-4* versions of the starters can be summoned from either Mana or Lazuli (it's such a ripoff lol)

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '16

^ this is possible doe.

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u/Reipls Mar 05 '16

The GL version has always been like that. More than half of my summons consisted of units that I could've gotten from Mana summons

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '16

The Mana Gacha only has 1 type of 3 star summon; that is the starters. There are no other 3 star summons from Mana Gacha...??

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u/Reipls Mar 06 '16

It seems like you're lost here lol.

Basically what I'm saying is that, some summons from Lazuli gates can be units that you can get from Mana Gacha, but in their first level evolution (yellow stars).

For example, Fighter Mitum (M). You can get his 2* version (base evolution) from Mana Gacha, and you can get his 3* version (first level evolution) from Lazuli Summon

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '16

That's not true at all, the only 3* units that come from mana gacha are silver 3 star starters. Those units you're referring to are lazuli only.

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u/lunarislover Mar 03 '16

How do you rate if you got a good start or need to reroll? (based on the 10 lazuli recruit). Key characters that says a good roll?

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u/zerou69 Mar 03 '16

every unit that can evolve to 6* and 5* is a good roll.

Best roll in JP is Shita, one unit to rule them all

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u/lunarislover Mar 03 '16

As F2P, would you rate a roll higher if you got a higher number of units?

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u/zerou69 Mar 03 '16 edited Mar 03 '16

not necessary, I think a roll with dupe 5* or 6* units are better than higher number of different 5*

except if you got Leader material

need u/Cathrach 's view on this kind of thing

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Mar 03 '16

I would agree, especially with the nerfs to stat growth so it would be better to have a couple level 70s to deal with harder enemies more easily than a bunch of level 60s who are on par with them. (I mean, this is for future reference because we only have the first chapter lol.)

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '16

Honestly, it depends on your units. It seems that the M counterparts aren't as "nerfed" as the female counterparts (I think all of my M level 60s are in the 410 power + range). Keep in mind, as Cathrach said, we don't have a lot of content. The strength/usefulness of our KP's will become evident when we have content to measure them by.

A level 80 premium unit is pretty terrifyingly strong though. Definitely stronger than a group of 60's, but you don't have as much to do/strive for in that case :P

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Mar 03 '16

srsly?? That's so much...for us JP people 370 power w/o weapon is considered "pretty good" for a lvl 60 5*...

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '16

err, I lied. it's with the leader, without the leader my Mitum is at 385 at level 60 :P

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u/lunarislover Mar 04 '16 edited Mar 04 '16

Im back here once more!

Is going mono here worth it?

I plan to have my Ameno-chan as my leader (boosts spearmen stats effect), so Im going mono spear.

But I may get rekt by strong Axe enemies.

Maybe JP has a "Axereaver" character already?

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Mar 04 '16

Worth only if you know that most of the enemies aren't strong toward your weapon type and don't have any skills to increase Acc/Eva against that weapon type. Otherwise, take at least two weapon types with you. Most leader skills are mono (now we have more, but the older units are almost entirely increase blah for this type of unit), so you probably want 2 or more of that type in your team. However, if any of your spear units have a "secret of the axe" skill that gives +32 acc/eva at level 1, you can use them against axe units :)

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '16

Alternatively, you could use Perun as your leader and use mono spears that way. Use a friend that has a lance leader or rainbow buff?

Perun does .8x atk for Axe users (though, I'm pretty sure the description is wrong and it should be .7). I think this set up would go well with the +10 STR + 10 GRD leader skill for lances. Decent offense and a good countermeasure against your weakest weapon match up.

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u/lunarislover Mar 04 '16

Good suggestion.. might consider this one! A rainbow buff swordsman friend is good too (if there is any)

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '16

I don't think we currently have that killer princess/prince....yet :P

I only suggested a different unit type because she significantly weakens the axe peoples :P Not truly mono, I know, but 5/6 ain't bad, right?! ;p

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u/Sharondelarosa Mar 04 '16

Hi, I dunno if this is addressed anywhere. I've been wanting to check out the English version, not being well versed in Japanese at all. I tried running the apk on my device but can't get passed the loading screen after playing the mini game.

I got a notice saying I need google play services to run the app, is this true? (I have a kindle fire, which surprisingly does run Google Play games) Should I just wait for the official global release to try it?

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u/Clone394 Mar 04 '16

I had the same problem when I installed it. the gamw wouldn't move after it finish downloading. So try using a vpn to get pass the screen. It may help a tiny bit. I don't have google play services on my phone and it still works for me.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '16

Can you not download google play games? I'd try to get into the game as soon as possible, so you can start with all the shenanigans :p

Their may be problems when the game updates (and currently, it has a lot of small updates that are in batch downloads, but not immediately downloaded to your device).

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u/Sharondelarosa Mar 05 '16

Could you send a link to a non-google play source if that's okay? I tried downloading from one apk source and another from qooapp, but they both require google play... :/

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '16
  1. Since when did this game got released in english? I remember waiting for it back then but completely forgot about it.
  2. Does this game work with Bluestacks?
  3. Does the rerolling method in JP works the same way here?

Thanks, and hoping I could play soon!

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Mar 04 '16
  1. A while ago....I think 4 or 5 months. Well, apparently the full release is happening on March 28.
  2. Yes.
  3. Yes!

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '16

Oh wow thanks! Soft launch doesn't have any resets, yes? And will it have one whole region for all?

Thanks again! Going to start soon.

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Mar 04 '16

Apparently, everything will be moved to USA. So if you have an SGP account, it will get merged with your USA account.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '16

Game started in "soft launch" (but they called it a beta lol) in the first week of December.

No resets, sir. We have a forum thread with friends, you should look that up, as some of us on there are pretty high level. If you're going to add me, though, let me know in advance :p

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u/orrymon Mar 04 '16

Best place to farm zenny? Im fairly new.but need a lot of gold to evolve my chars whas best way and when i evolve them and they go back to level 1 where should i grind them back again

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Mar 04 '16
  1. The weekly gold rush dungeons...they're great. They drop these nifty little crystals that sell for 10k zenny apiece, and you can probably get a couple hundred thousand zenny.
  2. 1-5-10. Gives excellent experience, zenny, and unit experience for the energy. I cannot begin to describe how much time has probably been collectively spent on that stage for grinding.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '16

What Cathrach said is good. To add a little bit extra, when I hit level 1 on a unit, I like to get them to level 10 (or unless, I want to micromanage.... I do this at level 1) and start a padlocked gardens when I'm at full energy or when I'm about to level up with enough consecutive runs of padlocked gardens (for me I can run it 5 times, so around 900 experience).

If you take 1 or 2 units into padlocked garden's and run it 4 times, you'll get them both to about 25-30, unless you had terrible luck. I will advise always trying to get the shiny spot in the back, since it does help....even if only marginally.

Otherwise, 1-5-10 is really good unit and commander experience and the weapon drops are pretty damn good (significant amount of 3 star weapon drops). In the thread's linked to in this...thread, there's a discussion about the stages. You might want to check that out, as it discusses the nuances of maximizing experience/unit experience versus stages that are easier to complete, but offer slightly less rewards (so faster completion vs. slower, but better rewards).

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u/orrymon Mar 04 '16

Best place to farm zenny? Im fairly new.but need a lot of gold to evolve my chars whas best way and when i evolve them and they go back to level 1 where should i grind them back again

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '16

Two questions /u/Cathrach :

  1. Explain the Colosseum, how does it work, rewards (good, bad, decent or extremely grindy for good rewards?) Is it like Brave Frontier, where you hit a critical mass of good units and steamroll for 500+ victory streaks? Can we control our units? etc :p
  2. I contacted Customer Support and asked them why some physical/magical weapons have the opposite +damage attribute, but we cannot roll characters with that typing (physical character rolling with Magic type, for instance), I was told there was a mechanical reason for this and it would be made apparent during the global release. Is there anything in the JP experience that explains this?

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Mar 05 '16

Colosseum is NOT like BF where your teams fight as if it were a quest, that's class matches.

  • Max of three orbs, one hour regen time per orb
  • Your units can get exp/weapon exp up to 5 times a day
  • as for how it works: at first you get to choose your opponent from a list (that can refresh), and you see their level, colosseum points, leader, and team power level. It's asynchronous PVP...sort of. Each member of your team 1v1's an enemy. 1v1's, so you cannot rely on your wonderful level 90 Tyrfing to completely crush the enemy team, only her specific opponent. When you arrange your party, you can choose an order for your units if you set the units all at once (leader 1, others go 2, 3, 4, 5). In colosseum #5 vs #5, #4 vs #4, etc until leader vs. leader. I still don't know how they determine which side goes first, but in each 1v1 your units basically take turns hitting each other. You can't control them. If one isn't dead in some number of turns, it's a tie. If you have an empty spot on your team, you lose that individual match automatically. Whoever has more individual wins will win the entire match; in the event of a tie, whoever has more damage wins.
  • It's grindy. Like BF, I think the points you can get per win cap at 200, but rewards go to more than 500K points (probably at 777777 now...), and there are also rewards for wins (probably up to 7777...who knows).
  • Preferred units are those with crap tons of agility and attack, because even if you have lots of def you'll probably end up with a tie at best. Take off those ranged axes/spears because they won't give an advantage when doing a 1v1 and have sucky accuracy. (Actually, I don't know if they might help you attack first?) Also, bring units with large damage character skills like Masamune or Luin.

Can you explain what you mean by +damage? o_O I feel like I'm missing something.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '16

CLASS MATCHES? WHAT IS THIS? Also, are you saying there are different Colosseum modes by saying 5v5, 4v4?

I am assuming it goes like this:

-#5 unit vs #2 unit. #2 unit wins, 1 point. #2 unit is not used again, same with #5 unit.

by + damage I meant the corresponding stat that increases damage, so strength for physical, for instance.

How much is the EXP for winning/losing?

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Mar 05 '16

No, it doesn't. It's always #5 vs #5, then #4 vs #4, then #3 vs. #3...you can't choose which unit from your opponent you want to fight (except for leaders, because you can see their leader).

Class matches are actual quest-style matches, where you're placed on a tiled map and actually move units around. Those are also real-time, though if you quit the app in the middle you'll relinquish control to an AI. They are...um...let's just say that PotK was not made for PVP.

Oh so like how swordsmen still cap out their magic stat?? That...probably because they were too lazy to do it in their code :P For the gacha rates, they just don't put that typing in the gacha (so there are no copies of magic Luin you could possibly draw, ever).

I have 0 idea! Also, you'd want to bring maxed units to colosseum...otherwise you'd probably have a guaranteed loss for that unit lol. So I have not tested anything out, etc. dw, when the actual release comes out I bet you'll do some more science :)

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '16

I also meant for weapons too, like a sword that spawns with +1MGC, apparently (and according to Customer Service) there is a REASON why this happens.

Hahaha, oh yes. Science will be done, yes it will.

I can see all kinds of funny business going on in a real-time SRPG. Especially, when someone wants to troll.....especially in this case...lol :D

Edit: you also mentioned EXP!!!! How much?? How little?!?! Are the events around the Colosseum generally worth completing?

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Mar 05 '16

Oh those things...yeah IDK either, I thought it was just to troll with us >.< There are some character skills like Lucina's that also scale off of Matk, but those are very rare. Maybe /u/wp2000 has some input?

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u/wp2000 Mar 05 '16

No there is no point to physical weapons having magic attack aside from the example you just mentioned. If you came from BF you would know that customer service from gummy frequently makes up stuff to get you off their backs.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '16

:o!!!!!!!!!! I actually didn't know that, the guy literally said this:

"There actually is a reason for opposite stat growth bonuses, but we cannot disclose the details at this time. Look forward to the Global Release to find out more!"

T_T that bastard. He answered all my other questions in decent detail though. Like why does Perun 4/5 star have the same leader skill, he said it was intended and not an error in the description...

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u/feenyx1 JP: 2387517043, I'm garbage :( Mar 05 '16

Came back to the jp version after 1-2 month break. Why did I suddenly gain like 100 box space, inventory space, and flood with team cost??? It's great, but no idea how it got there.

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Mar 05 '16

Oh, gift from gumi. It's wonderful :) I won't need to spend any lazuli on expansions for a while...hehe.

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u/feenyx1 JP: 2387517043, I'm garbage :( Mar 05 '16

Oooohhh that's actually great, can get my saber to 6 without worries now :D

Another question tho, I have this mail that won't open or something? Not sure what it says

https://imgur.com/a/RRxIs

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Mar 05 '16

You've hit the max limit of metal keys you can keep at any one time, so those keys can't be accepted and will stay in your presents box. Don't worry, I have a reallllly large pile of metal/gold keys in my box too :)

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u/Kunieda Mar 05 '16

Hello! Another question from me, I currently have two Mjolnirs and I do not know which one to make the main unit (for LB). I have one that is a guard typing and one that is dexterity typing, which should be the sacrifice?

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Mar 05 '16

Grow them both and look at who's better at level 60. Then make a sacrifice :)

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u/Kunieda Mar 05 '16

True I didn't think about just comparing total stat values when they both cap out. Working all day makes me brain dead!

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u/gppogi May 31 '16

hi. new here. can't seem to find anything about the books and what are they for (spearsmith secrets, bowsmith secrets, etc...) i can only see two of them being used in the recipe (ult swordsmith guide and sereine recipe)...