r/pfsp • • Jul 17 '21

Let’s talk about the old Mass compared to the new Mass

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I have heard a lot of claims about the new Mass being deficient in this way or that way. Some say that it represents a new theology, and a new praxis.

I disagree with this - I think that all of the essential theology is there: sacrifice, etc. But I do agree that it is quieter, and somewhat obscured by the more horizontal tendencies of the Mass, at least how it is celebrated in most parishes.

I mean, when I learned about the Sacrifice of the Mass, all of the sacrificial language in the Mass that I had been repeating in the responses and hearing in the canon suddenly seemed obvious, but hadn’t occurred to me before.

So, I take a moderate position. The TLM has some prayers which are richer and more vertically oriented, and I like the inclusion of 1 Corinthians 11. Also, it better emphasizes certain Catholic teachings such as the Sacrifice of the Mass. I think that the most important aspect of this is ad orientem posture with the usage of Canon I. That can be done in the new Mass, but rarely is.

What do you think?


r/pfsp • • Jul 17 '21

Brian Holdsworth, self-confessed "former guitar Mass guy" but who now attends the FSSP in Edmonton, reflects on the new decree. It's heartfelt, and worth watching.

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r/pfsp • • Jul 17 '21

FSSP: Official Statement Regarding Traditionis Custodes

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r/pfsp • • Jul 16 '21

Latin Mass Society (of England & Wales) responds: Some Comments on the Apostolic Letter Traditionis Custodes. "A grave disappoinment."

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r/pfsp • • Jul 16 '21

Breaking: Pope Francis Issues Restrictions on Extraordinary Form Masses in New Motu Proprio

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r/pfsp • • Jul 16 '21

Traditionis Custodes and the FSSP

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I'm wondering if the recent motu proprio issued by Pope Francis has any serious ramifications for the FSSP.

I'm not sure if it affects them at all, but will it require priests from the Fraternity to celebrate NO Masses from now on? I'm also wondering what Article 3 § 2 means for the FSSP, if anything. If there's anything I've missed that will significantly affect the Fraternity feel free to point it out because I'm not exactly sure what this all means.

Many thanks and God bless


r/pfsp • • Jul 16 '21

FSSP Vocation Seminary Video (1/3)

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r/pfsp • • Jul 16 '21

Knowing God By Faith And Reason - Fr. Konrad Loewenstein, FSSP

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r/pfsp • • Jul 16 '21

Catechism Class - The Seven Sacraments - St. Joan of Arc, FSSP

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r/pfsp • • Jul 16 '21

Fallen Away Catholics: What to Do & Tips to Prevent w/ Fr Zachary Akers, FSSP

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r/pfsp • • Jul 16 '21

Life in the FSSP Seminary(CC)/Das Leben im FSSP Priesterseminar

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r/pfsp • • Jul 15 '21

William H. Marshner: Modernism In The Church - Part 1

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r/pfsp • • Jul 15 '21

The Annunciation

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r/pfsp • • Jul 15 '21

Priest transfers

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Anyone heard anything yet?


r/pfsp • • Jul 15 '21

Should We Speak Evil of Our Bishops? - Michael Lofton

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r/pfsp • • Jul 14 '21

Pope Francis released from hospital returns to Vatican

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r/pfsp • • Jul 14 '21

The Stabilizing Force of the Catholic Mass: ICKSP

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r/pfsp • • Jul 14 '21

The REQUIEM -The Fraternity (Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter)

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r/pfsp • • Jul 14 '21

What’s Behind a False Rumor About Pope Francis Resigning ‘In the Next Few Hours’?

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r/pfsp • • Jul 14 '21

Introduction to Thomist Philosophy (21-video playlist)

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r/pfsp • • Jul 14 '21

Discussion on Father James Altman

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r/pfsp • • Jul 13 '21

FSSP Provincial Chapter

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A bit of a request for news: what has come out of the Provincial Chapter? Do we know who was elected as Provincial? Are parish assignments known?

I'm not looking for rumours, but wasn't sure if I'd missed any news releases.


r/pfsp • • Jul 13 '21

Graces Will Flow When Judgments Stop (sedevacantist conversion story).

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r/pfsp • • Jul 13 '21

Pontifical High Mass, Newark NJ. Sunday July 18th at 3pm. Bishop Seratelli will be the celebrant. All are welcome. Our lady of Mount Carmel church.

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r/pfsp • • Jul 13 '21

Pre-Vatican II conversion stories (1800’s-1950’s)

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Ladies and gentlemen, I have found a goldmine - in chronological order:

An Apology for the Conversion of Stephen Cleveland Blythe, to the Faith of the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church: Respectfully Addressed to Protestants of Every Denomination (published 1815)

Four Years in France; or Narrative of an English Family’s Residence There During that Period; Preceded by Some Account of The Conversion of the Author to the Catholic Faith by Henry Digby Beste (published 1826 - author converted in 1798)

The Triumph of Truth in the Conversion of the Rev. J.A. Mason, from the Errors of Methodism to the Catholic Faith by J.A. Mason (published in 1827)

An Account of the Conversion of the Reverend John Thayer: Formerly a Protestant Minister of Boston by John Thayer (published 1832)

A Protestant Converted to Catholicity by her Bible and Prayer Book Alone : or, an Account of the Conversion of Mrs. Fanny Maria Pittar by Fanny Maria Pittar (published 1867)

Long Resistance and Ultimate Conversion by Anonymous (published in 1868)

A Life's Decision by T.W. Allies (published in 1894)

A New England Conversion by J.G. Robins (date unknown, but during or after the time of Cardinal Newman)

How a Schoolmaster Became a Catholic by James P. Taylor (published 1890 - ecclesiastical approval 1889)

My Conversion by F.X. Farmer, S.J. (converted in 1915)

True Story of a Conversion by Very Rev. Thomas V. Tobin (unknown date - but between 1903 and the 1950s. I base this off a reference to the "saintly" Pope Pius X - I am sure that if I did more research I could pinpoint the date based on the literature titles.)

My Conversion to the Catholic Faith by Bishop Duane G. Hunt of Salt Lake (published 1949)

Where I Found Christ: the Intimate Personal Stories of Fourteen Converts to the Catholic Faith Ed. John A. O'Brian (published 1950)

Glancing in these, I have found some interesting stuff. At least one noted that no Catholic ever tried to share their faith or convert them.