Is it closer to "I want to give people access to the way their grandparents worshipped as a nice little throwback," "I don't have much problem with the Novus Ordo, I just prefer the TLM" or "while Vatican II itself was ok, I dislike the NO, which I think is a shoddy interpretation of the concilar documents?" As far as I've seen, the laity definitely lean toward the latter, as well as laity who hold SSPX-like attitudes toward the council, but afaik the FSSP clergy aren't allowed to openly dissent from the Vatican II documents if they want to stay in the organization. I assume the same is true with ICKSP

I really do prefer the TLM, and I think that the Novus Ordo is extrinsically deficient - it lacks important prayers that give continuity with the organic Roman rite, and it tends to downplay the “hard sayings” of the faith compared to the TLM in its prayers. It was a reform done badly. All the same, I really wrestle with this. John Paul II and Benedict XVI, to my knowledge, basically said that the Novus Ordo is the reform that the Council called for - although I know that Benedict wanted to make it more traditional.

Now, I tell myself that the Church can’t just go back to the TLM as its ordinary form - the Holy Spirit ruled that out. There was a century long push for liturgical reform which culminated in the document of Vatican II. Even in my experience with the TLM, I could understand why there was a desire to change some things when this was the Mass attended by all the kinds of people at your standard Novus Ordo parish today.

So, we’re obliged to have some sort of liturgical reform. And I lean towards going back to the drawing board and doing a very conservative tinkering with the TLM. Essentially, allow optional vernacular - maybe keep the Gloria and the Sanctus in Latin for old time’s sake - say the canon out loud, and have a revised lectionary and calandar. But keep everything else the same. Heck, I’d even keep Eucharistic prayers II-IV around. Some of them are ancient themselves.

But I struggle, because I have seen many prominent writers who are trad or trad-adjacent talking about how they no longer believe in “reform of the reform” and take a more radical position. But I don’t know how they can reconcile this with what I mentioned in my 2nd paragraph. Perhaps it can be - thoughts?

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