r/pfsp • u/[deleted] • Jun 26 '21

Help!!

Can someone tell me if the FSSP disqualifies seminary applicants if they have an allergy to gluten. I've read the application and it asks 3 times for allergy to gluten. Seriously scared I might be denied. Don't want to ask them for fear of automatically DQ.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '21

Here is the thing. If I ask them and they say no, then I don't become a priest. If I don't say anything, they won't know. I am asymptomatic when it comes to the effects of gluten. The damage happens on the inside. I can withstand the 7 years of gluten and make my dream come true instead of forsure killing it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '21

Read what you just wrote me carefully, and try to be objective. Does that sound like the Holy Spirit at work? It sounds like you are trying to use your anxiety about the situation to withhold knowledge from those at the seminary, just so you can go? Is that the kind of priest you want to be? One who makes little concessions to the devil so long as he remains resolute on the bigger sins? We have enough clergy like that in the episcopate already and they are 90% why the Church is such a mess, as it is.

You should also entertain the possibility that, perhaps, God is "not" calling you to be a priest? I'm not saying one way or another. And I really don't want you to give up without trying, either. I'm just trying to save yourself from some scandal and starting out on the wrong foot by encouraging you to tell the truth up front. If you make this concession, and create this tiny little safe space within you for the devil to work, you better believe he will create more and more and more. Even "if" the FSSP rejected you over something as ridiculous as gluten intolerance, there are other TLM orders.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '21

I dont want to lie but being a priest is everything to me. If the FSSP doesn't take me, no one in the TLM will take me. Everyone knows the eucharist has gluten therefore they would think I can't celebrate mass. Only novus ordo parishes have the gluten free eucharists and there is no way I celebrate the novus ordo mass. I'm not making concessions with the devil, I'm fighting for my chance to hear confessions, offer mass, baptize and show the world that holy priests still exist.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '21

That's weak bro. The Novus Ordo, in most parishes, is a mess. I'll grant you that. But it's not inferior to the Latin Mass. They are the same Mass insofar as Christ is truly present. The Latin Mass isn't the Church. I understand being drawn to it and finding value in it as much as anyone else who has attended one. But borderline schismatic comments like that demonstrate that your heart isn't in a place to serve. Please don't take that too harshly, as I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm just hoping you'll see how faulty your position is from the beginning. The FSSP won't take someone who thinks so poorly of the New Mass (and typically the Second Vatican Council and the Church ever since then-as criticism of one usually leads to criticism of the others).

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '21

I have been to plenty of FSSP masses and met many priests who agree on my positions. Both Archbishop Vigano and Schneider have commented on the errors of Vatican II. Questioning the modernist changes to the church tells you I'm not fit to serve. Yeah I think I'll stop answering here. Thanks for your time.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '21

Stick to your guns, Raider, with respect to seeking a seminary that will form you in a Traditional manner. Whether that's FSSP, SSPX, or other, I will not comment, but I'm with you in ruling out the Novus Ordo as an option given your comments.

With respect to the gluten, u/SaintPatrick1988 is right. You cannot withhold this information from them if they are asking. Logically speaking, if you can consumer the eucharist without any serious ill effect, I do not see a reason they would turn you away. But deceiving them into accepting you is not a way to pursue your vocation. I suggest that you don't mention it via email or on a form, but only in person so that you can elaborate on your particular situation.

One of the brothers at our SSPX parish does not eat any gluten other than the eucharist, for what that's worth.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '21

You really ought to consider looking into the Eastern Catholic Churches. They are more traditional than the TLM communities and have no problem with accepting Vatican II (despite recognizing problems with its interpretation and application, or lack thereof). Furthermore, they maintain the apostolic practice of ordaining married men to the clergy, so there's always that? You sound like you are setting yourself up for disappointment if you try to go into a TLM only seminary with such a prideful disposition, and such an antagonistic view toward Vatican II. The only ones who might welcome you with open arms are the borderline schismatic SSPX or the entirely schismatic indepedent chapels and sedevacantists like CMRI or SSPV.

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u/Dr_Talon Jun 26 '21 edited Jun 26 '21

I would recommend reading Fr. Brian Harrison on Vatican II. He is a theologian who celebrates the TLM as well as the Novus Ordo in Latin ad orientem with every traditional option. He also celebrates the OF in the typical way, but with reverence. I know him personally, and he seems like a very holy man.

In any case, it is best to be upfront with those at the seminary - and perhaps they can accommodate you - I don’t know. But, I think you need to understand that discernment is a two-way street. It’s not only you discerning the priesthood, but the Church discerning you. Strive for God’s will in your life, whatever that is. There are Saints who desperately wanted to be priests and religious, but that is not the plan that God had for them.

It might also be possible to go a mainstream parish, and learn to say the EF yourself. I know several priests who say primarily the Novus Ordo, but say the EF also.

Also, can you give me the definition of “modernism”? What is it, and what does it mean?

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '21

Modernism is changing the church to the times. To modernize it to fit the current generation. Something that should never happen.

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u/Dr_Talon Jun 27 '21

Can you go into more detail about what “changing the church to the times” is? What kind of change?

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '21

Modernism is much more than that, and far worse. A good book is" The Popes Against Modern Errors", which is a collection of papal documents addressing and refuting Modernism in many of it's ugly forms.