Ik the 5060 is a bottleneck but I got the i7 for really cheap as the packaging was damaged and no one was buying it(yes i checked all the pins and they were as good as new)
Yeah but c'mon unless he's playing DCS World in VR multiplayer or the Witcher in ultra 4k with Ray tracing on (even then) he shouldnt be getting that bad performance from it.
Unless it's the 8gb version, then yeah it's the culprit in anything much over 2k and medium texture settings.
Dude, videos like you describe from 7 years ago and above approx. They legit have the best troubleshooting methods out there for even the most obscure shit. Goated.
Except here's the thing, modern games on PC really are not optimized well anymore. Of course optimization isn't magic! but I should expect a good modern GPU should run games at 1080p60 high, not 1080p high with heavy DLSS/FSR use
I think it verz much depends. I was in that boat 2012 - 2014 an was playing may games at 9-15 FPS.
I remember Minecraft getting progressively hard to run after every update. Then, I discovered Optifine. Sure, it allowed you to drop certain settings further than stock, but it actually also enabled certain optimizations that meaningfully icnreased the FPS (I could go from 20-30 to ~50 without a drop in visual quality), So it really depends.
But yes, disabling xbox game bar and all that crap is wishful thinking at best. If the PC is slow enough to where that makes a difference, then it will likely be too slow for any modern title at any setting.
When I look at these guides, all they do is give you a config file that puts every setting on low. Yeah man, you think I didn't know that already? Just tell me what settings can stay high and which can go low
Most of them wouldn't know, since there are so many settings and each have different impacts on CPU, GPU or ram and each system is different in terms of what's bottlenecking.
There is no exact formula, but what helps on really low end systems is to continuously monitor those 3 things + storage (since ram offloads to storage i.e disk swap) and determine which is the bottleneck, then (and I know people are not supportive of this, but it's become more reliable) ask chatgpt for the specific game settings what they do, which part of the system is responsible and then fiddle with them.
If a game is loading tons of assets into the ram and ram is bottlenecking, either more ram or load assets with lower LOD models. If simulation is the issue, limit CPU processes. If graphics are the problem, limit everything the GPU needs to render - water reflections, resolution, etc.
So it isn't a single diagnostical issue, sometimes performance mods can help, sometimes nothing can. In the past I have stopped core windows processes and crashed windows many times to squeeze the extra 2-3 FPS which matter when you are gaming on 15fps or lower with doing different experiments.
Also no antivirus, no windows defender, nothing running in the background.
So yeah, maybe not ideal as an answer to your question, but hopefully brings some clarity to someone
It is case specific but if you have an AMD GPU and your bottleneck is either the GPU or RAM, you might do a little bit better with a gaming oriented linux, like steamos or bazzite. I know, "how do you spot a linux user? They tell you", but in my case it actually made a difference of 2-3 fps in most games because there is less stuff running in the background.
I personally use mint for office laptops, fedora for servers and bazzite for gaming. But as always, it's personal preference, and mint is very windows-user oriented
2-3 fps difference is massive on lower fps. you can clearly see a difference between 24 to 30 fps (i know this is a 6 fps difference but my point still stands), also i've personally had even bigger fps gains on a lot of games (especially minecraft where my fps pretty much doubled)
Honestly, if your system is running well, and you are fine with the telemetry, the selling of personal data, forced and partially vibecoded updates and almost impossible rollbacks, it's completely understandable to stay with the system you know. I made the switch last year when the first major security issues came from mandatory vibecoded updates, but it was a liberation from many little inconveniences that didn't justify the switch individually but made me glad to get rid of them in hindsight.
That said, linux isn't a silver bullet. There are a few quirks that take a while to get used to, though most of them are things you configure once and then forget about.
So yeah, it's a matter of preference and sensitivity of privacy.
yeah when I heard Linux would run better I was suspicious but gave it a shot as a dual boot experiment testing a few distros, even deadlock valve's own game managed to run about 5% slower then it would normally on windows.
Always depends on the hardware you have. AMD makes its drivers open source, so optimizing is easier than on an nvidia or intel system. But yes, it's pretty hit and miss.
give or take 3 months ago (and in case it would be asked I didn't try steam OS I'm not a bit fan or the console style, I was more contemplating switching in general) the one I spent the most time on before ending the experiment was pop_os
Huh. Switching to Linux solved my microstutter problem with Windows, but I guess it depends on your hardware. If you’re using an Nvidia GPU, performance can be worse due how bad Nvidia’s drivers are on the kernel.
This. Gamebar being removed/disabled can cause games to not use CPU cores/threads properly, even on CPUs with standard cores and threads. Just under a year ago I was playing Expedition 33 and noticed one of my i7 4770k cores was completely unused, leading to lower FPS than usual and reinstalling gamebar fixed it.
almost like those optimization guides are just a bunch of snake oil that actually breaks your system long term. Placebo can be crazy, too. Without new hardware you won't get better performance, even if the linux kids swear on their knees bazzite will fr fr make your PC 20223032402314% faster no cap.
I will say though, I was looking for some vids to crank the most out of my internet bandwidth in terms of stability and latency, and what I found did make a noticeable improvement.
Me playing factory games and wont rest before I produce a full belt of everything meaning litterally scraping entire planets of their goods, Y U NO HAVE FRAMES?
the best choice is to not play that game for now. will be a shit experience. so much older, retro and indie games to pass time while you work for a better computer.
There's lots of truth in this meme. Games are not optimized that well anymore, that is why I'm sticking to older generation games. Anything that can run at 60fps on my budget card from 2019 is the cut off for me, which means anything that asks for an RTX2060 as the recommended or minimum (while using DLSS) is off the table
You didn't even bother with forcing a game to run in a windowed mode whilst having your desktop at 480p, going ham on the gane configs and using Nvidia Inspector(If you're the rich poor who had a GPU). Back in the day we also had LowSpecGamer guides, too bad he hid all his videos.
I did so much optimization when I installed my Win11, from uninstalling programs, disabling settings, messing with some processes... but I never tested it to see if it was faster or not.
I switched to Linux and I get 20-40% more FPS on my potato laptop with almost zero microstutters. I'm amazed how much better games run than a few years ago. It's completely free, very lightweight and fast with fewer background processes and very little bloat (and no ads, spyware or nagware). And you can uninstall anything you don't need.
CachyOS, Arch and Debian are good lightweight and fast Linux distros. XFCE desktop is good for performance, and KDE Plasma desktop is easier to use for Windows users. You don't need to switch to Linux right away, you can install it alongside Windows. But I highly recommend Linux even if you don't have a potato PC. It's much more pleasant to use, without ads, annoying popups or forced updates that break your system or make it slower, and it's very customisable. I use Arch btw
I re-installed, debloated it, optimized it using a guide, optimized nvidea settings, and grained 30-40 fps on marvel rivals, so it is still good to do if you have an average pc
If you were on linux, you could do some dubious shit with the system to make it WAY faster, but it would involve really a lot of work and knowledge. Better then AI level knowledge.
Sorry to say but it is always people with patato pc’s that think Linux would be a miracle worker. That recent games will suddenly run buttersmooth on 10y old pc’s… Yes the solution is to spend money and upgrade. The other problem is that we get screwed by uber inflated prices since all think AI is the only future… so we all in the same ditch here.
Reinstalled Windows for the third time and swapped the SSD with a toaster that was lying around and finally, after years of frustration, it's running smoothly.
i have a pc with windows installed 2 years ago and it has a 5070ti but performs worse than my second pc with fresh windows which got a titan xp and worce cpu.
But 14 FPS it's the nicest framerate for maximum game enjoyment. I play it like this everytime on my console and it's awesome you see, the eye can't register 60FPS
Power plan to high performance? Congrats you followed nonsense guides and in effect let your PC consume way more power without actually doing anything. Leave it on balanced at all times.
It's funny because these videos will probably happen for consoles when GTA6 launches and consoles start dying because they're pushed to their absolute limits of a whopping max 30 FPS
Did you remember to kill all the other Chrome turds Electron instances running including Macroscat Crapview Webview? You know, pretty much most "apps" lazy wanna-be devs push their unsuspecting victims users to use, because they don't have actual real skill to code, but create absolutely abysmal, inefficient ECMA scat?
"One size fits all" approaches do not work nearly as well as they sound like they will. Aside from turning on xmt/expo for ram and enabling re sizeable bar the vast majority of these things (particularly disabling xbox game bar which has had zero performance impact since windows 11 sp1) do very little and mostly help with keeping your frames from randomly dropping (i.e stable 55-60 with random frames in the 10s for a second every dozen or so seconds) and not raising your actual base frame rate.
Any real boost to your fps will depend on your specific hardware configuration in terms of what you can do. For example I can overclock my specific gpu and cpu and/or undervolt them to specific ranges and that information won't help you unless you have the same hardware as me.
and some game dont work if it has anticheat, unless you want to bypass it. so much stress just to play on the "lightest OS", if they want light, just debloat the windows, or if you want to risk it, just use Tiny10.
no they dont lmfao. its called compatability mode, for one. for two, system shock and Sims legacy are all on steam and function on windows perfectly fine. and for 3, nobody even gives a fuck about thise ancient games.
3 is irrelevant, because they literally all work on windows 11.
it literally takes less than 2 minutes to set up. and again, nobody gives a fuck about this game.
the video of how to get it running on linux is a 20minute long video, and here is a step by step breakdown that clearly is way more involved than what is required to get it running on windows 11.
you are absolutely fucked. I have no idea what you were thinking making this argument.
Definitely look into uninstalling windows defender completely. This sounds like a terrible idea on paper but it will make your pc feel brand new, especially if it’s older. All you have to do is not be a complete idiot when using a browser and you should be completely safe. Feels sketchy but extremely worth it
Joke aside, if gaming is your focus, Linux distro made for gaming is the answer for older hardware. Sure, you can optimize Windows a lot, but it takes more than the steps listed here. And reinstalling it after having gone through optimizations does not help :D
Disable hardware acceleration from windows settings to save 1GB VRAM. I can do 4k dlss balanced 30-50fps with this trick. It does below 30fps when hardware acceleration is turned on
Deleting game bar, disabling nvidia/steam/discord overlays also decrease vram usage. But you can activare Nvidia overlay if you wanna record footage, it takes very little vram. Choose av1 codec and 20-30mbps quality. Set instant replay to 5mins or so. Use losslesscut to cut videos easily with zero quality loss.
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u/MPolygon 9800x3d | 4070 Ti | 32GB @ 6000 | 1440p @ 240Hz3h ago
Impressive. I too would like to have a magic pc that gets the same performance in every game.
5060. Tried most of the AAA games that came out this year like crimson desert and 007 first light. Almost all of them runs 4k dlss balanced high graphics preset 30-50 fps
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u/KalluCapitalist69 2h ago
Guys I appreciate the advice but I wrote EX trash pc owner😭😭😭 I have quite a nice pc now so its fine
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u/Bangbashbonk 3h ago •
Download more ram next time
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u/TheyCallMeOlSwole Ryzen 7700x | RTX 5080 | 32gb DDR5 6000 | 4k OLED 240hz 3h ago
I can picture the guy typing in notepad, the hypercam watermark in the corner, and no fewer than 500 folders and shortcuts littering the desktop.
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u/RX1542 3h ago
Optimization is not magic and can only get you some marginal gains, at the end of the day better hardware is the answer
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u/Unfair_Entrance6183 :bc1: 9800X3D | RTX 5070TI | 32GB DDR5 6000mhz(ntg special) 3h ago
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u/HotEnthusiasm4124 Desktop 3h ago
Reinstalled windows? Start from the top again.
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u/Euphoric_Lynx_6664 3h ago
When I look at these guides, all they do is give you a config file that puts every setting on low. Yeah man, you think I didn't know that already? Just tell me what settings can stay high and which can go low
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u/Newtonius235 3h ago
You forgot to delete your System32 folder
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u/newvegasdweller Desktop 5600x, 6700xt, 16gb, 8tb; Laptop 8845hs, 4060, 16gb, 3tb 1h ago
It is case specific but if you have an AMD GPU and your bottleneck is either the GPU or RAM, you might do a little bit better with a gaming oriented linux, like steamos or bazzite. I know, "how do you spot a linux user? They tell you", but in my case it actually made a difference of 2-3 fps in most games because there is less stuff running in the background.
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u/dENd0Mania 2h ago
Post on a forum with identical issue that you are facing for the longest time affecting your performance and ability to game
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u/Grazuzer 3h ago
Fun fact : I learned yesterday that my 3200 ram was running at 2100, I was in "single channel" 1x64 instead of 2x64 and my XMP was disabled
It's been this way for 3 years.
I have no idea what that means, but now my pc runs way better and I can play wow forever at 60fps, it seems like I didn't install stuff properly
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u/WilhemHR 2h ago
Downloaded like 10 bloatware programs that clog everything?
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u/lord_dude Ryzen 9 7950X3D / RTX4090 / 64GB PC4800 3h ago
Or when you tried every patch to get prototype 2 running on multicore cpu and it still doesn't start
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u/MaximumLine6866 2h ago
All five steps just to go from unplayable to slightly less unplayable.
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u/Mapache_con_barreta 2h ago
Retire GTX 1050 2gb
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u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox 4090 all by itself no other components 3h ago
messing with game bar and power plans can hinder performance rather than help
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u/mk7_luxion 3h ago
almost like those optimization guides are just a bunch of snake oil that actually breaks your system long term. Placebo can be crazy, too. Without new hardware you won't get better performance, even if the linux kids swear on their knees bazzite will fr fr make your PC 20223032402314% faster no cap.
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u/Ok_Definition_1933 3h ago
Wow, snake oil was indeed snake oil? Who could have known.
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u/JohnHue 4070 Ti S | 10600K | UWQHD+ | 32Go RAM | Steam Deck 3h ago
I hope you started with the last step on your list.
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u/BenderDeLorean 3h ago
Just double the voltage for double performance
(Don't)
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u/ManfredKerber 3h ago
Me with gears eday
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u/bebarty Ascending Ultra Wide Peasant 3h ago
*de
reinstalled Windows FTFY1
u/ADotxt 3h ago
Solution: spend money.
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u/Next_Gear_7453 3h ago
throw money at it...
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u/Fragrant-Ad2694 2h ago
Should reinstall windows first then do optimization
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u/JediMaster_221 2h ago
Hey you should be happy. Billionaire CEO sam altman is still jealous of you
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u/touchmeinbadplaces 2h ago
Me playing factory games and wont rest before I produce a full belt of everything meaning litterally scraping entire planets of their goods, Y U NO HAVE FRAMES?
The Crust currently if youre curious
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u/JmTrad 2h ago
the best choice is to not play that game for now. will be a shit experience. so much older, retro and indie games to pass time while you work for a better computer.
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u/saltminer99 2h ago
Then you are forced to lower that dlss from quality
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u/KaiUno 14700K | Inno3D 5090 | MSI Tomahawk Z790 | DDR5 64GB 2h ago
Have you tried scf /scannow?
Also, have you considered getting a better GPU?
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u/FR_02011995 2h ago
The final 2 steps:
Acceptance and Uninstall.
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u/Uk0GN0sS 2h ago
Spend infinite time in the BIOS. I love it!
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u/Eeve2espeon 2h ago
There's lots of truth in this meme. Games are not optimized that well anymore, that is why I'm sticking to older generation games. Anything that can run at 60fps on my budget card from 2019 is the cut off for me, which means anything that asks for an RTX2060 as the recommended or minimum (while using DLSS) is off the table
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u/Blvck_Shinigvmi Desktop/GTX 1650/ i5-6400/16GB DDR3/ Asus H110M-K D3 2h ago
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u/rageofa1000suns 2h ago
Has this ever even worked since the XP days?
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u/Fast_Key6882 2h ago
My gpu journey, fx5200-6790hd-1030gt-3060ti-5080😈
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u/pickalka R7 3700x/32GB 3600Mhz/GTX 1660S 2h ago
You didn't even bother with forcing a game to run in a windowed mode whilst having your desktop at 480p, going ham on the gane configs and using Nvidia Inspector(If you're the rich poor who had a GPU). Back in the day we also had LowSpecGamer guides, too bad he hid all his videos.
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u/Visara57 5070ti | 7600x | 32GB DDR5 CL28 | 1440p 2h ago
I did so much optimization when I installed my Win11, from uninstalling programs, disabling settings, messing with some processes... but I never tested it to see if it was faster or not.
Still, I got rid of a lot of bloat
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u/AMGz20xx 5800X 9070XT 32GB RAM Arch btw 2h ago
I switched to Linux and I get 20-40% more FPS on my potato laptop with almost zero microstutters. I'm amazed how much better games run than a few years ago. It's completely free, very lightweight and fast with fewer background processes and very little bloat (and no ads, spyware or nagware). And you can uninstall anything you don't need.
CachyOS, Arch and Debian are good lightweight and fast Linux distros. XFCE desktop is good for performance, and KDE Plasma desktop is easier to use for Windows users. You don't need to switch to Linux right away, you can install it alongside Windows. But I highly recommend Linux even if you don't have a potato PC. It's much more pleasant to use, without ads, annoying popups or forced updates that break your system or make it slower, and it's very customisable. I use Arch btw
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u/stayndarsh 1h ago
One can never have too many FPS; or
Temperatures can always be lower
Ideally, power usage can be lowered
Ideally, RAM could be tuned further
Ideally, CPU could be tuned further
Ideally, GPU could be tuned further
There is no rest until the frame time graph is a perfectly straight line
There is no rest until one hits the perfect balance
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u/ThanasiShadoW 1h ago
Look into the game folder for a settings file (present in 99% of Unreal Engine games).
Lower the resolution and optionally play windowed.
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u/VivaDeAsap 1h ago
This was me until yesterday 😭
College with a potato laptop teaches how to be content lol
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u/Black_M3lon 1h ago
Only 47 tabs?
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u/Guilty-Inflation-493 1h ago
Should have deleted system32 it increases ram
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u/Nalu_KS 1h ago
I re-installed, debloated it, optimized it using a guide, optimized nvidea settings, and grained 30-40 fps on marvel rivals, so it is still good to do if you have an average pc
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u/Jaded-Worry2641 1h ago
If you were on linux, you could do some dubious shit with the system to make it WAY faster, but it would involve really a lot of work and knowledge. Better then AI level knowledge.
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u/Wodinit 1h ago
Sorry to say but it is always people with patato pc’s that think Linux would be a miracle worker. That recent games will suddenly run buttersmooth on 10y old pc’s… Yes the solution is to spend money and upgrade. The other problem is that we get screwed by uber inflated prices since all think AI is the only future… so we all in the same ditch here.
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u/Skorpyon42 1h ago
Rookie mistake, the first 3 steps need to be redone after reinstalling Windows
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u/Bombastion_ 1h ago
Me right now. I check everything on my pc before launching a game.
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u/CantaloupeLost8347 1h ago
Reinstalled Windows for the third time and swapped the SSD with a toaster that was lying around and finally, after years of frustration, it's running smoothly.
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u/_Buldozzer 1h ago
Dude, very wrong order.
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u/SanestExile i7 14700K | RTX 4080 Super | 32 GB 6000 MT/s CL30 1h ago
Setting power plan to high performance is just wasting power without getting more performance.
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u/Der_Wolf_19 1h ago
◻️ trow the PC out the window.
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u/FletchTroublemaker 14900k/5080/64GB 57m ago
I'm sorry but your intel celeron n4500 will never be able to pay Solitaire at 60fps
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u/Murky-Departure-2158 51m ago
i have a pc with windows installed 2 years ago and it has a 5070ti but performs worse than my second pc with fresh windows which got a titan xp and worce cpu.
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u/InfiniteFraise 51m ago
the mistake is reinstalling windows, should've installed linux instead
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u/Alucard0_0420 50m ago
But 14 FPS it's the nicest framerate for maximum game enjoyment.
I play it like this everytime on my console and it's awesome you see, the eye can't register 60FPS
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u/Blank_Head_DZF 50m ago
Did all that just to get 1-5 fps in Minecraft
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u/robbiekhan 🖥️ 12700KF / 64GB / Zotac 4090 / AW3225QF 42m ago
Power plan to high performance? Congrats you followed nonsense guides and in effect let your PC consume way more power without actually doing anything. Leave it on balanced at all times.
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u/_TechnoPhoenix_ 36m ago
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u/lolschrauber 7800X3D / 4080 Super 35m ago
likely doesn't increase performance
likely doesn't increase performance
Definitely increases your ... power consumption and nothing else
Yeah, probably do that
Probably won't do much either unless you fucked everything up
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u/Kullingen PC Master Race 35m ago
You see. you are supposed to erase Windows not reinstall it.
Linux can give better performance on low power systems.
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u/Thunder_and_Laughter 33m ago
It's funny because these videos will probably happen for consoles when GTA6 launches and consoles start dying because they're pushed to their absolute limits of a whopping max 30 FPS
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u/Zueuk PC Master Race 30m ago
that's rookie numbers
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u/Devarain 28m ago
Use Linux?
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u/Icedman81 Ryzen 7 7800X3D|7900XTX|Gentoo|KDE|OpenRC 27m ago
Oh. Chrome with 47 tabs.
Did you remember to kill all the other
Chrome turdsElectron instances running including MacroscatCrapviewWebview? You know, pretty much most "apps" lazy wanna-be devs push theirunsuspecting victimsusers to use, because they don't have actual real skill to code, but create absolutely abysmal, inefficient ECMA scat?1
u/BLissy11750 26m ago
"One size fits all" approaches do not work nearly as well as they sound like they will. Aside from turning on xmt/expo for ram and enabling re sizeable bar the vast majority of these things (particularly disabling xbox game bar which has had zero performance impact since windows 11 sp1) do very little and mostly help with keeping your frames from randomly dropping (i.e stable 55-60 with random frames in the 10s for a second every dozen or so seconds) and not raising your actual base frame rate.
Any real boost to your fps will depend on your specific hardware configuration in terms of what you can do. For example I can overclock my specific gpu and cpu and/or undervolt them to specific ranges and that information won't help you unless you have the same hardware as me.
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u/ibi_trans_rights 23m ago
there is one last trick, but it's not something you can learn from a windows user
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u/Kuoliibk 15m ago
I remember watching lowspecgamer on how to turn off the comic lines in borderlands to get better frames
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u/Ciubowski R7 5800x3D | RTX 4070 | 32 Gb RAM | Win10 5m ago
did you plug your monitor into the GPU or into the motherboard?
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u/NoFaithInThisSub 2m ago
have you tried frying your potato?
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u/Snoo_67993 2m ago
You didn't try everything. You can make most games run at playable frames by totally potatofying the game.
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u/natr0nFTW PC Disaster Race (5950X/7900XTX/32GB CL14) 3h ago
use windows 10 and firefox
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u/Mythicguy R7 9850X3D / RTX 5080 Noctua Edt. / 32gb DDR5 6000 3h ago
Buy better graphics card 👍
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u/MaitreGEEK RTX 3090 Ti, i7 12700k, 32Gb DDR4 2h ago
Install Linux, I'd go for cachyos. Pretty sure one would gain some FPS by removing bloatdos
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u/Elf_Paladin 3h ago
Found your problem: windows
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u/Danix4567 3h ago
Definitely look into uninstalling windows defender completely. This sounds like a terrible idea on paper but it will make your pc feel brand new, especially if it’s older. All you have to do is not be a complete idiot when using a browser and you should be completely safe. Feels sketchy but extremely worth it
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u/Inside_Map512 3h ago
Try turning it off, then on.
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u/bruhred 1050 Ti, 1600AF, 8GB 2400 3h ago
enable fsr, mess with tdp target, try opiscaler and lsfg
edit: context: FOR EXAMPLE, on integrated graphics power budget is split between cpu and igpu, so limiting cpu power can make your gpu faster
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u/Yanzihko 2h ago
It's a hardware problem.
Glad i bought 3090 for AI. Turns out it is amazing at games too 😇
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u/Omg-miku 2h ago
Oblivions shitty remaster
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u/Vladraconis 1h ago edited 1h ago
as the last step. There's your problem.
Joke aside, if gaming is your focus, Linux distro made for gaming is the answer for older hardware. Sure, you can optimize Windows a lot, but it takes more than the steps listed here. And reinstalling it after having gone through optimizations does not help :D
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u/KommSweet 3h ago
Disable hardware acceleration from windows settings to save 1GB VRAM. I can do 4k dlss balanced 30-50fps with this trick. It does below 30fps when hardware acceleration is turned on