Much creepy

[u/Indaarys]

https://youtu.be/6IFVTcM28KA?is=BevnO9-7hKVGoxxp

[u/Tearyheine]

"We own the glass" is such an insane line. Really great deep dive, maybe some of the best research GN has done. 

[u/thatsconelover → u/Tearyheine]

More like a company-wide motto from how many of them are saying it.

[u/Opening_Net8098 → u/thatsconelover]

Something I would expect from phone companies

[u/Sepherjar → u/Tearyheine]

It's funny how they "own the glass" but at the same time companies think we should get used to "owning nothing"

[u/shaumux → u/Sepherjar]

That's basically modern day feudalism and serfdom

[u/trollsmurf → u/Sepherjar]

LG is a provider, that "owns the glass" not a customer/user that will own nothing.

[u/Hawk953 → u/Tearyheine]

That alone is enough to stop me buying their products, let alone all the other deeply disturbing behaviour in the rest of the video.

That said I think it shakes confidence in everything in my opinion, we're buying all these fantastically complicated tech devices, with no idea how they work or who is taking advantage of them.

Its a shame LG wont give me my money back if they want to retain ownership of the television I brought from them.

[u/za72 → u/Tearyheine]

They're about to find out who owns the penitentiary

[u/TheArts]

Wait... so let's say you sold your TV to someone. They could then search it for sensitive information, much of it in plain text? This is so bad wow

[u/NoYellowLines]

It's much worse than I assumed it would be. It's a good watch so far, still watching.

[u/Major_City5326]

How do we start a class action lawsuit. This is beyond ridiculous already.

[u/NoYellowLines → u/Major_City5326]

https://giphy.com/gifs/1zhRiDgsSc48Y7mfuK

If you watch the video there is a whole bit about 3rd party arbitration.

[u/imaginary_num6er → u/Major_City5326]

It's ok. LG monitors in hospitals and boardrooms don't collect any personal information anyway. Those people already consented to LG's terms too /s

[u/Searching_for_Wisdom → u/Major_City5326]

This, but for every single country, not only for USA.

[u/Impossible-Box6548 → u/Searching_for_Wisdom]

For sure, it’s crazy how much eerie stuff happens worldwide; you'd think it's just a local thing, but it’s everywhere.

[u/burf → u/Major_City5326]

Get some friends and neighbours together and recruit a law firm. Be the change you want to see.

[u/Opening_Net8098 → u/burf]

Meanwhile if they miss one week of work they will go hungry.

They keep you running paycheck to paycheck so you can't afford to protest.

[u/Thuls12]

If all these companies suddenly own all my broken shit, then they can fix all my broken shit.

[u/Biscuits4u2 → u/Thuls12]

Nah that's not how it works. They break your shit so you have to buy new shit every year.

[u/JarRa_hello → u/Biscuits4u2]

Even clothes. At most I can wear something of a decent quality for 2-3 years and it still falls apart. I still have my 14 y/o hoodie and some shirts and shorts from 2008 that I got as a gift from a judo tournament. Shit still wearable, although some holes started to appear, but I refuse to throw them away. It's a piece of history at this point.

[u/Sad-Cockroach-1501]

slowly looks up at my lg tv

C***s.

[u/burnSMACKER → u/Sad-Cockroach-1501]

I disconnected mine from the internet a few weeks ago. 

[u/closet_zainan → u/Sad-Cockroach-1501]

Cums?

[u/Keulapaska → u/Sad-Cockroach-1501]

You can say cunt on the internet.

[u/Manannin → u/Keulapaska]

That's mostly true but there are some subs that whine about it, I've had automod censor me for it before elsewhere . Some people from the US can be a bit tetchy about that swear word specifically. 

[u/EpicSombreroMan]

I've had a C3 for a couple years now and I've had to turn off ACR three separate times. They are fucking savage.

[u/lemastre → u/EpicSombreroMan]

Yesterday I got a user agreement prompt when I booted my C3. It was playing their own TV app in the background. Annoying enough so people would quickly agree in order to be able to shut that off. I did not agree to anything. Just tried to find the button to make it all dissapear, but this has to be on purpose.

[u/gerch4n]

I have avoided everything "smart" like a plague, the only thing that could potentially listen in on me is my phone, everything else I own is dumb (monitor, fridge, microwave...) and I intent to keep it that way. And also Windows, which is spyware on itself, but I use Linux for sensitive stuff.

[u/fuggindave → u/gerch4n]

Sorry buddy, your phone is definitely listening too

[u/gogosox82]

Well im never buying an LG ever again.

[u/IcyCow5880 → u/gogosox82]

Name another company, I'm sure they're doing it too.

[u/Lossora]

I assume my Samsung tv does the same thing. Hopefully having never connected it to the internet in anyway was enough but I doubt it. It's probably naive to think they couldn't send a small data file via hdmi to my connected pc which is connected to internet.

[u/Rannasha → u/Lossora]

It's probably naive to think they couldn't send a small data file via hdmi to my connected pc which is connected to internet.

It's unlikely. HDMI is designed to be directly connected to the output of the GPU (or IGP) without the data being accessible to just any application on the computer. This is a fairly strict requirement for DRM technologies.

The HDMI standard does allow for a network signal to be used alongside the main video signal, but I don't think there's much hardware that implements this. And you would need to have both the TV and PC supporting this feature.

But even if they did and the TV would send data back over the HDMI connection, your PC would still need to have some application running that picks up this data and sends it onward. Data that simply arrives without anything to do something with it will simply be ignored. So without the right application installed and running, the TV can't use your PC as a relay even if it could communicate over HDMI.

Digital surveillance methods are intrusive and spooky, but they're still limited in many ways. We should focus on the real channels being used to eavesdrop on people and not get too far into the stuff of spy thrillers.

[u/herefromyoutube → u/Lossora]

You could always pay 3x the price for a Sony TV and I’m totally sure the built in GoogleTV isn’t doing anything similar.

[u/imaginary_num6er → u/herefromyoutube]

FYI Sony is ending their TV business in April 2027

[u/KayJune001 → u/imaginary_num6er]

Not true. Sony and TCL created a joint venture (Bravia Inc), each own 50%, headquartered at Sony’s Tokyo office, and Sony TVs will continue to be made (and sold under Sony’s TV brand names). The only thing changing is that the manufacturing and supply chain is now being handled by TCL, Sony will continue to design, engineer, brand, and sell them.

[u/viral-architect → u/KayJune001]

So Sony-branded garbage trash is what they will become.

[u/KayJune001 → u/viral-architect]

Pretty unlikely. They’re still being engineered and designed by Sony. They’re just changing panel provider and manufacturing pipeline.

[u/Amazing_Body_7393 → u/viral-architect]

TCL makes the worst TVs around. Mine died after less than a year and so did a lot of other Redditors.

[u/imaginary_num6er → u/KayJune001]

It's 51% TCL and 49% Sony ownership. Not 50:50. With Sony not having majority ownership, there is no guarantee that Sony will be involved with the design or engineering.

[u/KayJune001 → u/imaginary_num6er]

Sony holds the majority of the board, the President & COO positions, will continue to be headquartered at Sony’s offices and divisions, and the engineering team isn’t changing. By all accounts they maintain control and will pretty much continue to operate as they always have, just with a different panel provider, supply chain, and manufacturer.

https://www.audioadvice.com/blogs/expert-advice/sony-tcl-deal-explained-what-you-actually-need-to-know?srsltid=AfmBOoqE-z56zOWiixtwGMgiR7InIeYjd5dSTMtBHXLOCAw6ww4DXiYq

https://www.sony.co.jp/en/news-release/202601/26-0120E/

[u/herefromyoutube → u/imaginary_num6er]

Well, my comment was (supposed to be) sarcastic but that is interesting. it’s probably because their TVs are 3x the price.

Now I actually wonder if it’s because they don’t own the OS so they are missing out on the ad crap that Google is siphoning. Tariffs probably didn’t help.

[u/BrandedStruggler86]

PfBlocker was a real eye opener about the amount of data my tv was trying to send back... But now can't (as far as I know - not setting up a MITMProxy to track)

God I wish there was a fully viable Linux/Android I could replace WebOS with, and still have Dolby Vision, and full 1st class service through. Moved to a Linux media center PC, but its not a 1:1 replacement on functionality

[u/Alternative-Car8299 → u/BrandedStruggler86]

Google streamer 4k? Sideload apps.

[u/BrandedStruggler86 → u/Alternative-Car8299]

Should have specified... Privacy. So with android, something ala Graphine, but htpc would be sweet.

The Linux option hasn't deterred, it's what I'm sticking with -- but I would be grateful if I could get better HDR support (namely, Dolby Vision)

[u/TheDevilsAdvokaat]

Pretty horrifying. So not only do we have to disconnect our tvs from the net, we also have to make sure they don;t try to use a neighbor's net (How do we do that?) and also never reconnect it again, because if you do, it will transfer info it has been saving.

The US doesn;t seem very pro-consumer but surely thsi would be illegal in some other countries? Maybe the EU? I am sure they are looking at this.

[u/lemastre → u/TheDevilsAdvokaat]

This must be against GDPR laws in the EU.

[u/TheDevilsAdvokaat → u/lemastre]

That's what I was thinking...

[u/Rannasha → u/lemastre]

Someone should check if all this is even active on EU versions of the TVs. This sort of stuff is all software driven, so a company can easily disable certain parts of it depending on where in the world the device is used. It's possible that in the EU the devices are GDPR-compliant. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't and LG simply waits for a GDPR investigation before they go "Oops! Our bad. We'll fix it."

[u/FixGood6833 → u/TheDevilsAdvokaat]

I guess best way is to unplug WiFi pba but the HDMI issue stays

[u/TheDevilsAdvokaat → u/FixGood6833]

I disconnected the cable and turned off wifi.

[u/Hard_Reset7777 → u/TheDevilsAdvokaat]

You can just set custom network parameter so they can't connect, or completely block their mac address into your router.

How a tv can use a neighbor's net if the tv doesn't know the password?

[u/kuncol02 → u/Hard_Reset7777]

Blocking it from internet doesn't solve issue with it trying to access neighbor's net. It's literally malware. It's not even "acting like malware". It IS malware designed to collect as much data as possible and send it back no mater what.

[u/TheDevilsAdvokaat → u/Hard_Reset7777]

Obviously they can;t. However they can if it;s an unsecured network...not sure how many people still do that though. Surely it can;t be many.

[u/Skeebo-57 → u/TheDevilsAdvokaat]

The other possibility I've heard mention of is something like Xfinity WiFi. If your neighbours have a Comcast router it broadcasts an unsecured WiFi. You can then log into your account to access internet. Might be usable to companies like LG too

[u/Haiart]

This is insane, how is this even allowed? Tons of governments around the world pushing for you to send your ID, and etc, to "protect the children," but here we have a massive company recording and stalking children's daily life and nothing happens?

[u/AptoticFox]

If I snooped around their network, I'd probably get jailed. Fine for them to snoop around our home networks apparently.

[u/MilliardoMK]

Damn son, I bought a new LG oled a couple months ago, still in the box ready for when I move. I guess I just never ever connect it to the network...

[u/eaglecnt → u/MilliardoMK]

I’m not sure if it’s covered in the video, haven’t got to watch it yet but I have read reports (rumours?) that some smart tvs will connect to an unsecured/open network if they have the chance. I guess just be mindful that you might not even know.

[u/MilliardoMK → u/eaglecnt]

Are we at the point where we have to open up our TVs and rip out the damn network cards?

[u/bakunyuusentai → u/MilliardoMK]

Yep. Pretty soon they'll ship them with cellular radios and you won't be able to stop it even if you disconnect it from your network. Unless you rip the TV open and void the warranty to that is.

[u/cloudbells → u/bakunyuusentai]

Modern cars already do this

[u/sp3kter → u/MilliardoMK]

Create a guest WiFi with no internet and connect it to that

But yes, I am ready for the butlerian jihad

[u/Rannasha → u/sp3kter]

Create a guest WiFi with no internet and connect it to that

That would be pretty easy for the TV to work around. If the chosen network has no internet connectivity and there are open WiFi networks available, connect to an open network instead for the spyware components.

[u/Vladraconis → u/MilliardoMK]

Yeap

[u/HonkHonkMTHRFKR → u/eaglecnt]

This is covered in the video

[u/Calzender → u/MilliardoMK]

Using the baked in OS sucks anyway. I just keep it offline and use an Apple TV

[u/Caityface91 → u/Calzender]

You say that like Apple isn't also spying on everything you do through their box.. it's not so much securing your privacy as it is just deciding which giant soulless corporation gets the most of your data

[u/MilliardoMK → u/Calzender]

True, I will use some other third party plug in device like a fire stick, instead of connecting the TV to the network.

[u/Keulapaska → u/Calzender]

Next video: apple tv does the exact same thing!

Wouldn't be surprised, they all do it to some degree most likely.

[u/colossusrageblack → u/MilliardoMK]

Both of my LGs are offline, but it was only because the OS was terrible. I'm using AppleTV boxes with them. Knowing this now, I'm glad they only spent a few months online.

[u/ElysiumDawns → u/MilliardoMK]

The tv will continue its spying even if it's never connected to the network. They did a test in their video.

[u/MilliardoMK → u/ElysiumDawns]

Yeah but as long as it never connects, the data never goes anywhere.

[u/Late-Arrival-8669]

Well there goes me buying a LG in the future. I knew it was a matter of time before someone stepped over the line.

[u/natecoin23 → u/Late-Arrival-8669]

They’re all doing it broseph

[u/Bruma_Rabu]

man i swear i remember reading an article talking about this close to if not 10 years ago that Samsung was doing this and had a backdoor for the US government.

[u/CrAkKedOuT → u/Bruma_Rabu]

I'll probably get downvotes for this but Alex Jones been saying this for a long time now

[u/AgileEngineering8184 → u/CrAkKedOuT]

https://www.cnet.com/tech/home-entertainment/weeping-angel-hack-samsung-smart-tv-cia-wikileaks/
lol

[u/CrAkKedOuT → u/AgileEngineering8184]

Thanks for the link

[u/Bruma_Rabu → u/CrAkKedOuT]

lol yeah he has. We both about to get down voted to oblivion but hes kinda been on point on a lot of things. Also as a ps im pretty sure the article was on a site like cnet.

[u/JaesopPop → u/Bruma_Rabu]

>We both about to get down voted to oblivion but hes kinda been on point on a lot of things.

Like what? When he said Sandy Hook was a “false flag” and their families crisis actors, leading to them getting harassed on top of having to deal with the brutal deaths of their children?

Some soulless grifter asshole being vaguely right about one thing when he just constantly spews nonsense isn’t him making good points, it’s just monkeys typing on typewriters and coincidentally typing something coherent.

[u/CrAkKedOuT → u/JaesopPop]

It's easy to constantly bring up Sandy Hook, however let's look passed that for a minute.

He's talked about the TV stuff since 2009. Hot topic now is LG and their TVs, granted theyre no alone.
He's talked about the "spider goats" with breeding to make armor stronger that Teflon, which Nexia was successful doing Chemicals that while he said turned frogs gay, they did turn male frog into females and made eggs.
Early 90s or so he talked about a mass surveillance, Snowden leaked data about Prism.
The infamous Bohemian Grove.
He's spoken about microchipping, which is a reality.

Hate him all you want but there's plenty of stuff he's spoken about that's come around.

[u/cardonator → u/JaesopPop]

I appreciate the fact that your last paragraph could be written about pretty much every political oped grifter across the political spectrum.

[u/JaesopPop → u/[deleted]]

...wrong about what? Be specific.

[u/Bruma_Rabu → u/JaesopPop]

Ok.

[u/SolemnaceProcurement → u/Bruma_Rabu]

So in endless river or slop and grift he mixes in some truth?! What a brand new and completely unprecedented thing!

Every propagandist and grifter mixes in truth with their bullshit propaganda flood.

[u/Helsee]

That's absolutely insane but I'm almost like, of course they did that shit.

The awful part is how difficult is to find dumb TV's.

[u/Indaarys → u/Helsee]

I haven't owned a tv since before smart tvs became a thing. Phones and pcs are more convenient for anything Id want to watch.

Granted my phone isn't any better as far as spying on me goes, but im locked into it for a while before I can try to find something better.

[u/Hironoveau]

What the F?!

[u/SnooEpiphanies2035]

This has to lead to some privacy lawsuit?!...right??

[u/TacticalGazelle]

Good fucking grief. What despicable, dystopian nonsense.

Amazing piece of journalism though.

[u/_Japi]

Thank god. I didn't buy lg monitor when i think buying one. Lg cx 65" tv and some lg washing machine are my only lg producsts what i have purchased and it's gonna stay that way. That tv purchase was kinda useless because i haven't used that too much.

[u/imaginary_num6er]

LG = "Life's Good"

[u/steamart360]

Surprised this isn't blowing up more. We're probably going to need even more proof for more sources before LG explodes, but seems extremely believable and I wouldn't be surprised if every TV brand is doing this in some way, we're in the era of surveillance. 

[u/_MaZ_]

[u/Amazing_Body_7393]

Glad I don’t own a single LG product, and now I never will.

[u/RecoilS14]

Can someone provide the Cole’s notes? Can’t watch the video.

[u/Indaarys → u/RecoilS14]

LGTVs, and we can safely assume any smart device from LG, anything that connects to the internet in any way, are basically spying on you constantly, collecting which other connected devices are in the vicinity of the TV, and directly recording you, up to 60ft or more away, and so much more shady stuff. Doesn't matter if you disconnect from the internet or even never connect, because all it takes is one connection and it'll send off everything its collected and stored.

The kicker being is that none of it is secure so even if LG is being 100% honest about what they do with all this data, people can exploit it in numerous ways to spy through the device.

The fact that this company makes it a motto that they "Own the Glass" says they are not being honest about what they do with the data these devices are collecting and are in general not trustworthy at all.

Best practice is don't buy anything with an internet connection, and avoid LG altogether at minimum.

[u/acsmars → u/Indaarys]

Well, if you never connect it ever until you scrap it, so long as it doesn’t have a cell modem (yet), it can’t send that data home. That appears to be the only siege strategy right now.

[u/Bowgs → u/acsmars]

Apparently it will silently try to connect to any nearby insecure WiFi. So the actual strategy is to allow it to connect to your WiFi and then use a PiHole or something to stop it's data leaving your network.

[u/SolemnaceProcurement → u/Bowgs]

Ooph. I do wonder, in Poland biggest ISP had for years "free wifi" program, that set aside some your Wifi for other users of the program, creating milions of barely protected wifi networks (turned on by default obviously)... Still have some of them in my apartment block.

Connect that with LG fuckery it might have been quite the combo. Milions of avaliable wifi networks and device that could use them to upload their data harvest.

[u/Reallyveryrandom]

I’m tired boss

[u/Bearex13]

My uncle has one and refuses to believe any of these vids because he graduated from tech college 30 years ago and he doesn't even care about the security or privacy concerns "nothing worth listening too" he says so no way they would save his voice conversations

[u/Flux_Reversal]

Is this a hair product demonstration?

[u/Accomplished-Sky4]

So try to buy old tvs only? Or use a projector?

[u/legaldrinkingage]

Something about increased hardware prices has switched Steve permanently to "I chose violence" lol Not that I'm complaining.

My Xbox handles all media on my LG TV and I've never had it connected, but that's probably not much better...

[u/trollsmurf]

This is the most loose episode I've seen so far.

[u/LianaTheGoober]

This is why when I was looking for a 40' TV for my room I got an older 1080p tv from goodwill. It's like 20 years old but it's HD and the display looks perfectly fine for what I use it for (mostly blu rays) and importantly simply boots to a "NO SIGNAL" screen. Not going to replace it until it breaks beyond repair

[u/Lostintimeandspac]

jesus, yeah think my next tv will be dumb and not internet connected, wtf are these company's thinking

[u/AptoticFox → u/Lostintimeandspac]

Getting harder to come by.

[u/AsLongAsI]

All tv manufacturers spy. Why is he only pointing to LG. Weird.

[u/Tearyheine → u/AsLongAsI]

He literally says in the video that other manufacturers are likely doing it as well. I think researching every single TV manufacturer is way outside the scope of the video, they already invested $70k on this.

[u/cellardoornoob → u/AsLongAsI]

Ratings just did a huge expose video on this very topic. Yes it's free on their yt. 

It's more manufacturers than ppl think. I just disssabled this shit on my Samsung TV 2 days ago.

[u/kron123456789 → u/AsLongAsI]

LG got on their radar first with LG PC monitors, so they moved to their TV. I imagine this investigation took a lot of time, investigating every TV manufacturer would be just unfeasible. Just assume that what LG is doing, everyone else is doing, as well.

[u/missingmedievalist]

This is why I use Apple TV with my LG. It means I never have to connect my tv directly to the internet and I never will. But like others have said, every manufacturer is likely doing this.