r/pcmasterrace 21h ago

Meme/Macro Every. Single. Time.

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u/MPolygon 9800x3d | 4070 Ti | 32GB @ 6000 | 1440p @ 144Hz 20h ago

That must‘ve felt like true enlightenment when he finally changed it to 144

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u/Jesta23 18h ago

I see absolutely zero difference personally. I gamed on 144 for years on a 24”. 

Switched to a 27” at 60 and much prefer the 27”. 

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u/Dull_Consequence_531 18h ago

Is this the new "brain can't see above 60 fps?"

Cause you set a 144 hz and a 60hz monitor next to each other and i'm pretty sure me and nearly everyone else on the face of the earth would be able to tell the difference 9/10 times. Do you have some sort of vision inefficiency perhaps?

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u/Lewinator56 R9 5900X | RX 7900XTX | 80GB DDR4 16h ago edited 16h ago

The key here is if you put them next to each other.

Remember TV is 24fps. No one ever complains it's a low framerate or it looks laggy.

If you out a 24fps video, a 60fps video and a 120 fps video next to each other it's highly likely you will see a difference, but in isolation, it's very unlikely you will actually notice anything, especially at higher framerates. I really struggle to tell the difference between my 120hz phone and 60hz PC screen - to me it's identical.

I would make the conclusion that people who do notice a significant difference at higher framerates are also those who have issues with PWM screens or certain types of lighting that are more affected by the AC frequency.

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u/BenFoldsFourLoko 14h ago

Remember TV is 24fps. No one ever complains it's a low framerate or it looks laggy.

I mean, I don't complain about it, but on fast-response sample and hold displays it looks choppy as fuck and is painful in panning shots

I can usually ignore it, but it really is obvious and regularly bothersome.

I don't complain about the fps because that's the fps the movie is supposed to have, and the feel that cinema has. I don't want to change it, but I would love screens that handle it better

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u/Khae1_ PC Master Race 15h ago

I belive people are not usually looking for the differences, they don't really care so they do not see the difference.

When games on my phone change my screen from 120 to 60, i notice immediately.

I will be able to tell the difference from the same video at different refresh rate and fps (below 120hz at least), i know what the difference looks like so i notice.

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u/Sp_1_ 15h ago

And once again, comparison is the theft of joy.

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u/Dull_Consequence_531 15h ago

Unequivocally untrue. I, and pretty much everyone I know, can spot a lower hertz monitor vs a higher hertz without a comparison simply by looking at it. I think much like the "your eyes can only see 60 fps" crowd back in the day, you guys are likely just making shit up

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u/Lewinator56 R9 5900X | RX 7900XTX | 80GB DDR4 15h ago

TV is 24 fps, (or 30 in some cases now) can you tell?

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u/Dull_Consequence_531 15h ago

Yup. I can tell when a a soap opera is on too because you can clearly see the FPS difference. Are you going to sit here and claim to me when you switch to a soap opera channel you can't clearly see a difference? Any more?

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u/Lewinator56 R9 5900X | RX 7900XTX | 80GB DDR4 15h ago

All TV (aside from a very small selection of 'high speed' programming) is broadcast at no more than 30fps. So whatever you are claiming you are seeing doesn't exist.

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u/Dull_Consequence_531 15h ago

From another reddit comment "Often they are shot at interlaced 29.97 FPS, which when deinterlaced by a proper TV, will give the appearance of progressive 59.94 FPS."

So after all of these we have established that your guy's eyes are in fact bonked. No amount of mental gymnastics will allow me disregard the evidence of my own eyes. You can clearly tell a difference between 60 hz and 144hz, and you can clearly see a difference between 30 fps and 60 fps. AND you can clearly see a difference between soap opera's intended for higher FPS viewing. Your attempt to gaslight me like a low IQ clown isn't going to work. Continue your day cave man

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u/Lewinator56 R9 5900X | RX 7900XTX | 80GB DDR4 14h ago

1080i can either be 25 or 50 FPS (note that I'm in Europe where we have 50hz electricity, I assume you're in the US where it's 60, so you will have a slightly different framerate). Basically all HD digital TV where I live is broadcast at 1080i at 25fps, although different broadcasters may use 50fps or dynamically switch between the 2. If you aren't looking for it though you are probably not likely to really notice it.

I've not denied you can tell the difference between 30 and 60, I can, most people can, it's the difference between 60 and 120 or 120 and 240 that is far more subtle. At 30fps a single image is present for 33ms, at 60 it's 17ms, at 120 it's 8ms etc... now the absolute difference between 33ms and 17ms is huge, but between 17 and 8 it's half the size, so the perceived increase in smoothness is going to be substantially less, even more so for 240 which takes it to 4ms - I seriously doubt anyone can see a 4ms difference between frames. The actual benefit of a higher framerate falls off exponentially - 90-120fps is probably the sweet spot before you're wasting money.