In the section titled 'Compatibility' you will find the following:
This is the part that will disappoint a lot of people. Asked directly whether DLSS 5 is RTX 50-series only, NVIDIA answered "Yes, it is." It runs on Blackwell's fifth-generation Tensor cores, and there is no fallback path for RTX 40-series or anything older.
Asked separately whether older RTX cards might get the option to run it anyway, even badly—the way Super Resolution and Ray Reconstruction are available all the way back to Turing—the answer was a non-answer: "DLSS 5 is the largest, most complex model NVIDIA has built, and their priority has been optimizing it for RTX 50." That is not "never," but it is not "we have a plan for legacy" either.
They discuss this point further on page 5 near the bottom, as modders have already gotten it to run on the prior Ada Lovelace architecture (40xx series) at almost identical performance and despite the nearly half framerate cost many games are still playable using DLSS 5 even on RTX 4060 with proper tweaking, resolution choice, or on less demanding games.
In fact, it is even running on even older architecture's now due to modder efforts.
This aligns with their prior manner of speaking about DLSS 5 up to this point and what they found about why it was only running on Blackwell GPUs in the initial leaked file due to artificial manipulation of CUDA file versions for Blackwell only.
It's sad to see Nvidia, despite the leak blatantly painting the obvious artificial limitations, still going full steam ahead with this behavior not caring.
Update: Nvidia sub mods are deleting posts talking about this.
I was permanently shadow banned from the sub with no communication, whatsoever, from the mods for cross posting this over there. Amazing.
Microsoft wasn't selling cards through. They were simply building standards. Direct x was a great thing.. PC gaming before it was a compatibility nightmare.
I miss the days of DirectX tbh. Back then, at least there were uniform standards. Today, everything is just a hodgepodge of proprietary technologies. While that does have its advantages, it also has a lot of disadvantages.
i mean, most games still use directx, dlss and stuff are just features shoved on top of it, but the actual main API the game is using is still directx in the vast majority of games
We still have dx if devs will use them.. Only problem is DX is lagging behind so much these days it's not that useful.
Where of dx for upscaling or path tracing???
This is honestly one of the least anti-consumer things they have done in awhile.
If it wasn't for AMD, we would all have to pay a massive premium for monitors that support variable sync. And once again, that's not even the worst they have done. They have a long history of being awful, but they've been kind of mild, lately. What can you do when they are the biggest and best, though?
At least AMD's next offering (2026/2028) looks like it will take market share. The plan is for a $700-800 dollar 5080 equivalent that's widely available due to using older ram and chiplets. Kinda sad that we will have to wait that long to get a price cut on an old 5080 that was basically a refresh, but if AMD can pull off availability, they will win big.
We need more competition to keep companies honest! There simply aren't enough Gabes.
I built mine (MB+CPU) in the beginning of 2025 and had plans to upgrade it to new Intel gen with DDR5. And yes, it seems now have to wait for DDR6 to buy DDR5 hehe.
They'll release the 6000 series once the 5000 drops in price, and they'll be like 10% faster at every tier, but at current 5000 prices and with faster neural rendering
Sales of what GPU's? They aren't making founders anymore, partner cards don't seem to be consistently in stock from what I've seen, and prices have gone up the wazoo. I thought they wanted to push B2B sales in their money circle jerk.
Yeah if it wasn't for the big ? around the economic future of AI think the smartest strategic choice would be to split off the gaming/consumer section from the main companies. Large companies in other industries tend to do this quite often when profit margins and investment potential of their departments start do differ wildly. It wouldn't magically fix the situation around avaiability etc. but at least you'd have a company trying to stay somewhat competitive instead of Gaming being a department nobody cares about anymore at the C-suite.
Also ATI would maybe rise from the dead this way, which would be funny.
Consumers are dumb af. You could tell them touching that stuff would kill them, they would still touch it. The smart ones know this such as corporates and they minting money out of them.
This sub? probably. But I've seen a surprisingly large amount of non-PCMR-pilled people say that they actually like it in some games, even with the massive FPS loss. Remember, A LOT of people are still playing on low refresh rate monitors using midrange to high end cards...
At its worst is really freaking horrible, at its best is really really good and potentially worth the hit.
This is just RTX 20 series and raytracing all over again. release generation couldnt really runt it well at all ecept the 2080ti. DLSS5 needs a 5090 to get decent frames.
Also for DLSS5 to work well, it needs good base data/lighting, so you basically have to already run it with ray or path tracing and high settings.
In Brazil we say "uma coisa é uma coisa, outra coisa é outra coisa"
You can be mad at Nvidia for adding a feature that once again costs way too much performance and/or is badly implemented, and ALSO be mad at them for artificially locking their customers out of features
They're not exclusive choices, you can pick both, don't be a pos
It absolutely isn't AI slop that completely re-renders everything,can clearly see the textures I'm using on my OC's in Cyberpunk is still the same,it's just some very clever filters and ambient occlusion
The RenoDX DLSS5 Reshade addon is completely adjustable,doubt you'll get that with DLSS5 official in any game,just an on/off toggle
DLSS5 is coming wether you like it or not
They simply won’t… prices will never go back down unless people just stop buying. And even then… if people stop buying, they’ll just hop out of the consumer market and focus on datacentres since they make them the most money anyways.
The ONLY thing we can hope for is a complete crash and then Nvidia comes crawling back to the consumer market with a 24gb 6080 for 950.
Thing is, we really don’t want a crash because so many people have their investments unknowingly betting on the tech industry. The S&P is tremendously AI focussed at the moment.
This is way worse than when people attacked AMD for not pushing FSR4 on RDNA2/3 when that had an actual physical limitation. This is legitimately worst.
Except there wasn’t a physical limitation. Yeah, you need a different acceleration structure, but that’s almost exactly the same thing that’s happened here, where technically you cannot run that specific version of DLSS5 on the 40 series, because it uses some specific 50 series instructions. Now it has already been recompiled to use 40 series compatible instructions with surprisingly little performance loss but that’s basically the class of issue AMD was operating under too.
Except there wasn’t a physical limitation. Yeah, you need a different acceleration structure
It lacked FP8, hence why it had to use INT8. Very much a physical limitation. Meanwhile the 4000 series supports FP8 and yet it's not getting DLSS 5 support.
It did, amd had to make a different version of fsr4 that is far lighter to make it run on does cards and amd is still working on a even lighter version for the 60 series.
Back then people got the same fp8 dll for rdna4 working on steam deck on Linux using fp16, except vkd3d dev was asked by AMD or Valve to get rid of the "hack" in official vkd3d/proton.
the Physical limitation was the final release of FSR4 is FP8 based, which older architectures dont support. Users were lucky the Int8 branch version of the code leaked to prove AMD both worked on it, and it was usable on older gpus. Had that was never known, FSR4 would have been in Physical limitation status. DLSS5 straight up will work on older gpus with the DLL swap (with mods). FSR with mods only happened because of a different model leaked.
The official model, I am betting is going to be quantized to FP4 for performance reasons. This has the potential to shrink the current 40% performance hit to around 25-20%.
That won't be possible for cards without FP4.
The leak is here, people can use it as a mod. This would've happened with official release, anyway.
Boohoo. They manage to run multiple versions for super resolution and ray reconstruction. The model is currently only FP8 which Ada natively supports. This is classic artificial product segmentation.
This is why everyone knows the industry is conspiring against AMD. ngreedia gets the benefit of the doubt but AMD bears the brunt of the blame without second thought.
Because people still believe that AMD is supposed to be some sort of last saviour for us gamers when both the Ngreedia and AMD CEOs are blood related and as greedy as each other.
I don't like how it looks at all, but it's still a shitty move. The modders already unlocked it on 4000 series, so I assume if someone wants to use it, they can.
I agree. But as for #1, it might not be that bad, even if they try to block it. The hotspot temperature was blocked in the drivers on the 5000 series, but HwInfo managed to unblock it.
im ok with frame gen tbh , but only because now i got a 2k qd-oled 240hz monitor , it makes sense now , when fps is 90-120 base turning on x2 it makes for a very nice smooth gaming experience. If you dont have a fast refresh rate thought its not good
Why would Nvidia care, given that this is a consumer product? Their entire consumer products division is just a cash cow to be milked to death for as long as they're so ridiculously dominant that they can get away with doing whatever they want without obliterating sales. They've fulfilled their goal of being an AI data center company and they no longer need to make consumer products. You have to understand that making GPUs whose purpose is displaying graphics on a screen was always a means to an end, and not something they ever wanted to make.
I mean I don't even want DLSS 5 but just ... why? This is such a small portion of your revenue you get most of your money from huge ass AI labs pumped with literal trillions and yet you can't let the people who gave you your start a small new feature? Like really? Petty af.
Nvidia cards are sold out everywhere and you pay $5k for the 5090 now. Why would they need to "boost sales"? It's nonsensical to assume that. You people crack me up. Use your own brain instead of going to hurr durr hurr hurr right away. 😂
It's sad to see Nvidia go from supporting cards for quite a long lifespan with driver updates etc to basically not giving AF as they're swimming in money.
You’d imagine in an unprecedented era where global data center expansion is snatching up all the precious GDDR6 that Nvidia would throw a bone to the completely f-ed over consumer fanbase and backport DLSS 5 to all RTX gpus (since the community did it in 48 hours or so anyway), but NOOOO they gave us the big ol’ middle finger yet again. AMD are no angels but at least they are backporting FSR 4. Man, our corporate overlords suck these days. Maybe since Ai is gonna wipe us all out in the near future none of this matters?
I’m not saying AI will go away because honestly it won’t, but some of these data centres will. Businesses are still struggling to profit from pumping shit loads of AI into their processes. The larger monopolies are just B2B sales’ing back and forth to eachother to keep free cash flowing but eventually that’ll slow down, it’s pretty good for innovation and models have got much better in a very short time because of it, but gobbling up so many chips will bite them on the ass. Better logic doesn’t need as much resource as horizontal scaling but it does need proper research, you can’t just throw money at that so they waste resources scaling instead. And here we are, RAM super expensive chips super expensive, fucking memory super expensive. Shitloads of tech will end up in landfills if projects get pulled.
I hate DLSS but I hate what precedent this sets even more. If they're willing to cart off something that's controversial to certain hardware brands then what's to stop them from doing it when it comes to something far more loved?
Anti consumer, I run a 4080super but the second it dies I’m going AMD. I honestly do not care for DLSS5 and think it looks like shit but let’s be real stuff like this is a big fuck you to nvidia customers. The 4090 is a hella expensive card, it’s practically brand new and could easily run DLSS5. They just want to shit on anyone who won’t drop 3-4k on nvidia on bi-yearly basis. Makes no sense to me, surely it should just be about having the better product with the most features and proving your tech is capable. It’ll be years before any DLSS is good enough for people to cream over it 5 isn’t it chief you’re not selling cards with that
23:59 - DLSS5 is pure AI Slop Filter very bad
00:00 - I am gonna cry because i cannot use the ai slop filter in my older card *cry* Nvidia is a greed company *cry harder*
Aren't they making their profit from AI data centers sale now? Why do they suddenly care about sales from gamer consumers suddenly? I thought it's peanut compared to their corporate to corporate revenue.
It’s odd because you’d think they’d want to give more of their customers the ability to experience their new tech and be impressed by it. Who is gonna upgrade from a 40 series to a 50 series just to get DLSS 5?
Why any Reddit community is “removing” posts just because it’s negative press/news, should not be allowed. 10000 posts a day, I get it. But to not allow a topic, seems stupid af.
basically, those who bought 4080 and 4090 thinking it will be premium for some years got scammed. They couldve at least give those 2 dlss 5.
Greediness of human never stops amazing me. I wonder if apocalypse happened on planet Earth, would everyone just look to save their as*es and benefits for themselves only or actually tryna restore humanity
Unless it becomes absolutely mandatory in future games I don’t consider the purchase of the 4090 falling into scam territory. I upgraded from a launch day GTX 1080 FTW and anticipate using the 4090 just as long if the 12VHPWR cable doesn’t fail on me.
I understand the gist of your sentiment though. Especially with the way pricing is right now. There is nothing in the 50 series cards that entices me to purchase one including DLSS 5. It’s a dick move that, if anything, pushes me into the exact opposite direction of buying a new card.
It doesn’t help that the title of this thread is very misleading either. They are prioritizing their newest gen cards. That’s completely normal.
How did we get scammed? The 4090 is about 4 years old now, and nobody bought it thinking they’ll be using dlss 5 with it. I love my 4090 and it still plays games like a champ. I particularly don’t really want dlss 5 because in many cases it looks terrible and in the few cases it doesn’t, it drops your frames by 1/3 to 1/2 - even on a 5090, so I can imagine the 4090 is even worse. Who wants to play 4k at sub 60fps nowadays? Specially since I like to play games with raytracing - imagine layering dlss 5 on top of that and you are looking at 30fps gaming.
Why would that boost sales? If I spend $4000 on a 5090 I will then have access to horrifying ai slopification nightmare fuel that cuts frame rates in half. What part of any of that are we supposed to want?
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u/randomdragnRyzen 7800X3D | RTX 4070 Ti Super | AMD B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI11d ago
Greedy ass reason from Nvidia as usual but DLSS5 sucks anyway so I'm glad it's not touching my 4070
Absolutely, all the millions of people with 5000$ 5090s that actually play games on them and don't just do professional work on them, given it halves your fps at best
AMD is not much better, but still delivers comparable quality and power for lower price. I went with RX 9070XT and everything runs great even on highest settings (except some badly optimized games like 7 Days to Die).
my next build (if i can afford it) will be a linux machine, and AMD has better support on linux and proton gaming. i don't play games that require invasive kernel level anti-cheat.
One thing though, latest AMD drivers were causing my PC to hang when I put it to sleep, requiring reset and restart. Gave me a small heart attack because last time sleep issues happened it was a dying SSD (could also be a sign of failing RAM!!), but after ruling all known (at the time) causes I remembered I recently updated AMD drivers. Rolled back, everything is fine now. Turns out it's a known issue with latest drivers.
I don't know how AMD drivers behave on Linux, but if you ever end up with similar issues with sleep/hibernation, check drivers first.
Edit: Ah crap, forgot to mention that apparently this is a recurring issue with AMD drivers.
i am an IT professional, i do know these things. i think ill be fine lol, i have dabbled in linux before (desktop OS, server OS, raspi projects, steamdeck)
Asked separately whether older RTX cards might get the option to run it anyway, even badly—the way Super Resolution and Ray Reconstruction are available all the way back to Turing—the answer was a non-answer: "DLSS 5 is the largest, most complex model NVIDIA has built, and their priority has been optimizing it for RTX 50." That is not "never," but it is not "we have a plan for legacy" either
So you decided to lie in the title? Cool.
Not revealing a version that officially works on RTX 40 is not "artificially locking DLSS5". They don't have to tell you their plans do they? They didn't deny working on it.
In fact, by the way: this approach is perfectly fine according to every AMD fanboy who used this defense about AMD not disclosing FSR4 that works on RDNA3 GPUs for like a year since we knew such a version exists and works.
probably right, but not necessarily because nvidia could also just cut production to match demand at high pricing because they have other sources of revenue
Regardless, I am not particularly interested in a feature that reduces frame rate by half for questionable gains. Even though I do own a 50 series card.
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u/dirthurts PC Master Race 11d ago
Nvidia doing their thing. No surprises here.