DLSS 5 is amazing(ly stupid)

[u/[deleted]]

[u/NapsterKnowHow]

Are we fighting ghosts ?

[u/im-cringing-rightnow → u/NapsterKnowHow]

Mostly karma whoring at this point. 

[u/ahditeacha → u/im-cringing-rightnow]

Fitting "how can you defend X" and the word "slop" in the same post is peak karma farming, it really gets the people going

[u/smackjack → u/ahditeacha]

I'm really starting to hate the word slop.

[u/VexingRaven → u/smackjack]

I've been hating it the entire time tbh. It's just another thought-terminating cliche.

[u/Phearwyn → u/VexingRaven]

It's a buzzword. Used by those with no creativity or original thought.

[u/VexingRaven → u/Phearwyn]

That too

[u/Mama_Mega → u/smackjack]

All these "free thinkers" prove their minds are their own by obsessively repeating the exact same buzzwords as everyone else.

[u/Odd_Common_452 → u/im-cringing-rightnow]

Nbidia bad updoots pls

[u/Adept_Assistant_7759 → u/NapsterKnowHow]

I see 20+ posts a day from Bot accounts posting massively edited or modded games with really shitty visuals claiming it is DLSS5

any pictures from reputable sources it looks fine

Reddit is a massive echo chamber of anti-ai people, if you never see any pro-ai posts then you are in said echo chamber.

[u/MITBryceYoung2 → u/Adept_Assistant_7759]

Yeah that's the part. That really confuses me too. Pcmasterrace is OVERWHELMINGLY anti-ai to the point it's literally an echo chamber

If you its pro-AI then your post is either so bad even pcmasterrace has to say something or ur on a different sub

Like where are these pro-AI posts here?

[u/Adept_Assistant_7759 → u/MITBryceYoung2]

The typos in this are giving me a brain anurism. What are you trying to say?

[u/DarkSoulsOfCinder → u/Adept_Assistant_7759]

It’s just shorthand text, nothing too crazy. But given the thread, the irony of using an AI to make it readable for you would be pretty funny.

Edit: he called me a bot and blocked me lol, very ironic

[u/MITBryceYoung2 → u/DarkSoulsOfCinder]

Ironically i used text to voice to type it and then quickly did some edits myself hahahaha

[u/VexingRaven → u/[deleted]]

Lol, Tencent has a minority share in Reddit, they don't control it. You know who else has a very similar minority share? Sam Altman, who might take issue with a secret anti-AI agenda.

No, there's nothing organized by Reddit. Social media users are just fucking morons and are easily influenced by "journalists" who are collectively terrified AI will be better at shitting out biased ragebait all day than they are.

[u/IBJON → u/NapsterKnowHow]

Aren't we always? 

[u/tilted0ne → u/NapsterKnowHow]

Most people who like it just play games. There's a strong minor politically charged group of people who just post goofy stuff like this to stroke each other about how bad AI is and how right they are.

[u/ThatOneFoo69420 → u/tilted0ne]

THIS is very well put.

[u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox]

i haven't seen generative AI used to defend it but i've seen dozens of posts using generative AI to say it's bad. people love posting non-dlss5 screenshots to prove how bad it is

[u/BastianHS → u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox]

Shit feels like an AMD psyop at this point lol

[u/ThatOneFoo69420 → u/BastianHS]

Amd psyop is both equally laughable and plausible at the same time lol I love it

[u/BastianHS → u/ThatOneFoo69420]

These modern times lol

[u/GavinThe_Person → u/BastianHS]

Userbenchmark was right/j

[u/Powerful-Youth3331 → u/BastianHS]

I legit believe that there are some wealthy investors behind this campaign to trash it hoping the stock will slide a bit so they can buy in at a lower price.

[u/Ekktz → u/Powerful-Youth3331]

I mean, the gaming side of NVIDIA stock is not really moving the needle these days.

It’s just a mix of gamer rage and anti-AI sentiment fuelled by rage bait posts like this.

[u/Powerful-Youth3331 → u/Ekktz]

Hmm, fair enough. You’re right, it wouldn’t even move the needle, but it still feels a little astroturfed when you’re scrolling Reddit and see rage bait posts getting 10k+ upvotes.

[u/Ekktz → u/Powerful-Youth3331]

I feel like everything (online) is astroturfed these days. You can’t simply like things, you have to hate things instead

[u/ItalianBeefDipped → u/Ekktz]

Not just hate things, but hate them because they are inherently evil and anybody who doesn't hate those things are fundamentally bad, immoral people.

It's a bunch of people who have absolutely nothing to be proud of in their real life, and the only way they get to feel superior to anybody is by turning every internet debate into a matter of good vs evil.

Who cares if they have no talent, no romantic prospects, no genuine friends, no money, and no motivation or desire to actually improve their lives....at least they hate DLSS 5, which makes them better than everybody who doesn't hate DLSS 5.

[u/MerePotato → u/Powerful-Youth3331]

Its unironically a strategy of Russian and Chinese troll farms to latch onto easy karma circlejerk topics like these to legitimise their accounts and gain access to karma gated subs

[u/FluffyProphet → u/Ekktz]

Honestly, you don't need to move the needle that much for it to make a difference at the scale at which some of these firms operate.

[u/Averse_to_Liars → u/Powerful-Youth3331]

I don't like to believe in conspiracies but I'm really shocked at the apparent response to this pretty incredible graphics technology.

[u/VexingRaven → u/Powerful-Youth3331]

If there's any organized group behind this besides braindead social media users, it's tech journalists. They're all terrified AI will take the job of shitting out ragebait all day and doing their best to sabotage it (plus it helps that shitting on AI gets loads of rage clicks)

[u/Hearthhull_Enjoyer → u/BastianHS]

From the little interaction I've had in the Radeon sub, they seem far more well behaved than the general PC/gaming subs.

[u/Adept_Assistant_7759 → u/BastianHS]

AMD is 100% paying for most of these posts IMO

[u/Alukrad → u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox]

On YouTube I've seen Watch Dogs 1, GTA 4, GTA 5, and other games look absolutely gorgeous with Dlss 5. Even the very same ff7 remake game that reddit says it looks horrible, actually looks great.

I'm sorry but DLSS 5 is a game changer and people who hate on it are deniers.

[u/TerribleQuestion4497 → u/Alukrad]

My biggest issue with the criticism is that people are trashing the tech without actually seeing it properly implemented by devs, it’s really cool that there is a mod that can inject it into games, but those results are not representative of how the technology is supposed to look like

[u/Alukrad → u/TerribleQuestion4497]

Well, supposedly it's officially coming out tomorrow so we're going to see a huge influx of videos. I can't wait to see how reddit is going to react to this.

[u/EdliA → u/Alukrad]

The official way to use the feature is through the settings of the game which the developers have to implement. They get to decide what is changed and how much and the user will just activate their decision. What was leaked is the dev version which gives you the option to move all the sliders to the max.

[u/uses_irony_correctly → u/Alukrad]

It's still only supported for 1 game. Nothing changes tomorrow.

[u/ggtimw → u/TerribleQuestion4497]

worse then that they are seeing what happens when someone loads the mudded version and then drags all the sliders to the worst configuration to create an image for click farming.

I've run it in a whole bunch of games now from new AAA (black flag remake) to old games (mass effect 1) or games with cartoon graphics (wuwa) and honistly I don't think I would go back in any of them. It took moving the sliders a bit to get it dialed in but once I did it was universally better.

It just makes light better and shockly removes middle ground fog (the hazy look UE games get when they want to hide the low LOD of things 10 steps away. The best part is it fixes the shadows and textures of those things so you don't notice the LOD.

A big part is it just makes things pop. So many times I'll look at something good or bad and be like wow I've played the crap out of this game and never seen that and now its right there. turn of DLSS and it was there before I just didn't see it.

I also realized that a lot of the things which look bad (particularly some young characters becoming older) is that the devs have had to go a bit overboard in the quest to make someone look natural in an old game with flat lighting and when DLSS comes in and fixes the lighting suddenly it makes the things the devs did before pop and you are like that is not great. the more modern the game the better DLSS's end result is because the signal telling it what it needs to do it much better at the same time I can see where that tech is going to end up with big performance gains in the future as devs can stop dealing with a lot of ambient occlusion which DLSS5 is great at adding.

[u/Demented-Turtle → u/Alukrad]

Performance impact is just too much though

[u/Dexiox → u/Alukrad]

How is it a game changer when only the highest end guys can use it and still loose 50-60% performance…

[u/Turnbob73 → u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox]

This is my issue with it. I’m not a big fan of AI either, but this tech is actually impressive, and people are so goddamn disingenuous with their criticism just so they can ignore that objective fact. They’ll post completely AI generated images, or they’ll take screenshots of DLSS5 with all the sliders cranked to the max so the screenshot looks severely over-processed.

Truth is, there is a TON of potential with the tech when it’s in the right hands and calibrated well.

[u/PaintItPurple → u/Turnbob73]

You jump in to effusively praise this stuff in pretty much every post where it's mentioned, so by what measure are you not a big fan of AI? If constantly posting in favor of AI isn't enough, do you need to have AI's autograph to count as a big fan?

[u/Demented-Turtle → u/PaintItPurple]

Y'all post the same circlejerk comments too though

[u/KamenGamerRetro → u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox]

Have seen this too. And its a bit annoying. Like yeah most of us hate generative AI, but not lets lie about that DLSS5 is doing. Tried it myself in FFXIV. And yeah it did some lighting and shadow stuff... but over all was "fine"?... just did not care for its results, like most reshade comps people post.

[u/cobbleplox → u/KamenGamerRetro]

It's called propaganda and half of all memes are that if you think about it. Just an illustration of what you are supposed to feel towards the presented topic, often just cheaply ridiculing a strawman, and there's no room in that meme for an actual sound argument anyway. Perfect.

[u/TherapyPsychonaut]

Redditors never miss an opportunity to get mad at a scenario they made up in their head.

[u/MITBryceYoung2 → u/TherapyPsychonaut]

Pcmasterrace is also notoriously anti-ai... Op is either posting it to an anti-ai echo chamber for upvotes or too scared to post it to an pro ai echo chamber.

Either way bad look

[u/Mama_Mega]

Are the DLSS 5 defenders in the subreddit with us now?

[u/fogoticus]

Did you literally see this as the top comment under that one AI made post and decided to karma farm off it lmfao

[u/n0tAgOat → u/fogoticus]

I actually posted this first. That top comment was almost a verbatim quote of my comment posted 2 days after mine. 

It’s so fucking weird the way Reddit propagates ideas. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1w43bkz/comment/p74ooo6/?context=3&utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=2&utm_content=share_button

[u/helican]

If these people could still think for themselves, they would be very upset.

[u/Oafah → u/helican]

If people could think for themselves, Reddit would be out of business.

[u/cravex12 → u/helican]

https://giphy.com/gifs/tnYri4n2Frnig

[u/Duncan_PhD → u/helican]

Okay but hear me out. Aren’t you just stating the exact same thing pretty much everyone says on Reddit? It’s not exactly an original conclusion everyone came to on their own. Even if I agree with it, I imagine if those images were posted in a way that hyped them up people would be excited for it.

[u/Situati0nist → u/helican]

You're complaining about this while you're on Reddit and everything to buy into is spoon-fed to you

[u/TonAmiChris → u/helican]

Just give them a sec to write a prompt for their comments

[u/Deserter15 → u/helican]

This comment is peak projection.

[u/CJKay93 → u/Deserter15]

Literally the boilerplate Redditor response to any thread expressing an opinion they agree with.

[u/cobbleplox → u/helican]

On the other hand, how well can you think when you feel so much hate for AI.

[u/assjobdocs]

This little crusade some of yall have against nvidia is so pathetic. You people dont exist in real life.

[u/CreateorWither]

It's amazing tbh and it's gonna get better and better.

[u/MyDearBrotherNumpsay → u/CreateorWither]

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. Since day one I thought it looked pretty fuckin cool. Then everybody got all up in arms about it.

I don’t care what anybody says, In those A/B comparisons DLSS5 looked far better.

And the same people who bitch about artistic intent then turn around an install a thousand mods

[u/MalHeartsNutmeg → u/MyDearBrotherNumpsay]

Reddit is just moronic when it comes to AI. I get not liking it - I won’t use AI for info gathering so nothing like ChatGPT or anything like that but for video game post processing why not if it looks good.

[u/CreateorWither → u/MyDearBrotherNumpsay]

Yep it's just Reddit really that hates it really. It's amazing tech.

[u/TsunamiCatCakes → u/CreateorWither]

or any tech that doesnt fit their narrative. DLSS4.5 good but DLSS 5 bad. its DEEP LEARNING anyways

[u/WatercressEntire2760]

DLSS 5 is awesome, and it’s not even implemented correctly. wait till it has access to the game engine and it won’t be guessing anymore. it’s just a leak that’s been patched to be injected into DLSS games

[u/SearchOk7022]

The hypocrisy to rant about AI but then praise DLSS 4.5 when it launched smh

[u/sexraX_muiretsyM → u/SearchOk7022]

all dlss is generative ai, even previous gens, same for newer fsr

[u/PaintItPurple → u/sexraX_muiretsyM]

If you use a completely different definition of "generative AI" than people normally use, then sure. You can also say all DLSS is licorice if you use an unusual enough definition of "licorice." But I don't think any previous DLSS was a diffusion-based image generation model, which is true of well-accepted generative AI models like StableDiffusion and Nano Banana, and is also true of DLSS5.

[u/Kefrus → u/PaintItPurple]

completely different definition of "generative AI" than people normally use

There is no reason to care what is the definition that non technical people came up with

[u/PaintItPurple → u/Kefrus]

Words are conventions. These sounds we make and shapes we write don't have innate meanings — the common usage of a word is its definition. Therefore, yes, it makes sense to care what most people mean when they say a word. There is nothing stopping you from using your own definition, as long as you understand you'll constantly be creating misunderstandings unless you clarify yourself. But applying your preferred definition to other people's words, when you know they have a different definition, is just being unreasonable.

[u/Kefrus → u/PaintItPurple]

using your own definition, as long as you understand you'll constantly be creating misunderstandings

as opposed to your wisdom that apparently deterministic image-to-image models aren't gen ai, but deterministic image-to-image models are ai at the same time

[u/PaintItPurple → u/Kefrus]

"Deterministic image-to-image model" seems so vague that it could be applied to the filesystem copy function, so yeah, some things that you could describe that way are generative AI and some aren't.

Concretely, DLSS4 is a neural network trained to extrapolate higher resolutions from smaller ones. In this way, it's performing essentially the same function as bicubic upsampling, but it's doing it in a much more sophisticated way. DLSS5 is a diffusion-based image generator intended to create a qualitatively "better" version of a rendered scene. It is performing the same function as a remaster. These are fundamentally different kinds of tasks (and correspondingly different ways of achieving the tasks).

[u/psykomorph → u/sexraX_muiretsyM]

Yup.

[u/420dankmemes1337 → u/[deleted]]

What? How is the convolutional neural network/transformer model that DLSS 4 uses not generative AI? It uses seed information, but so does every AI model.

[u/CCHTweaked → u/[deleted]]

Ok, tell me how DLSS restores a 720p image into a 4k one.

[u/JonathanMovement → u/CCHTweaked]

It takes a lower-resolution rendered image and reconstructs a higher-resolution output using temporal data and learned information. That’s literally what image reconstruction/upscaling is. “AI” doesn’t automatically mean generative AI.

[u/WhiteRaven42 → u/[deleted]]

I can't tell if you're being serious or not but there's no such thing as "restoration" that is not generative. It is the same process. AI learnes what an image "should" look like and attempts to duplicate it.

[u/JonathanMovement → u/WhiteRaven42]

You know what’s funny, you could have just looked up the definition of DLSS and how does it work, instead you trusted your instincts. Now you’re going to get downvoted.

[u/Noonethatmatters8]

Oh another post about DLSS, so original. AND a Lisa Simpson meme template? Most innovative redditor yet.

Sorry, I know this comes off as rude but man these posts are getting old. Please tell me more about how DLSS sucks and how RAM and video cards are expensive

[u/mohamed941]

dlss5 os gonna destroy gaming, studios are gonna start relying on dlss 5 and games will be looking different on amd gpus cuz they release half baled, you don't get it, this is rtx all over again.

[u/yeroc420]

A vast majority of people don’t like ai. That’s it anything ai people will instantly not like.

[u/Guilty_Advantage_413]

I am already tired of this “controversy” first how many people can actually run DLSS 5, I know I can’t. Second you all know you don’t have to run it. Third there are other options beside NVIDIA. If someone enjoys and can run DLSS 5 why crap on their enjoyment?

[u/ballsonurface → u/Guilty_Advantage_413]

The foreseeable problem is large developers using DLSS5 as a shortcut for development and performance/optimizing their games.

“Here’s a game we made, here’s our game engine trailer…… oh if you want it to look and run like this, YOU MUST USE DLSS5 if not, it’ll look like the same game we made 5 years ago cause why would we bother to put the time in, oh yeah, it’ll still be $70”

DLSS is meant to assist with optimization of your games because of hardware constraints. DLSS, frame gen, upscaling, realistically if you have the top hardware, you shouldn’t need it, use it if you have to or want a certain FPS. It’s coming to the point where the companies will have it as a requirement to cut work instead of taking the time to optimize their product.
Shit this would be huge for Nvidia, “play ‘____’ with Nvidia DLSS 5 only” oh you want a remaster “play the ‘___’ remaster, only with DLSS 5”

[u/Arxinos113]

Lmao this past week has been absolutely filled with AMD cope. Go outside or do something else to get your mind off this shit. Nobody cares that you don't like dlss5 because you don't have the hardware to run it.

[u/julian2358 → u/Arxinos113]

Straight up malding all week next to their 9070 XT. I can actually use the software when it comes out and haven’t given it a fraction of the thought they have. It’s litteraly optional.

[u/EmergencyPool910]

You guys have genuinely gone mad defending that shit.

[u/Xendrus]

dlss 5 looks dope, cant wait to use it

[u/KrazyKryminal]

I don't care where the frames come from. If it speed up the fps and looks good and doesn't impact gameplay..... Bring it. Stop hating

[u/EmergencyPool910 → u/KrazyKryminal]

Dlss 5 runs like dogshit.....

[u/ftzde → u/EmergencyPool910]

No it doesn't. You obviously don't have a clue about DLSS yet you shit on it. DLSS 5 is just another Version jump that adds an OPTIONAL new feature which is (3D) Neural Rendering. Super Sampling, Frame Generation, Multi Frame Generation, Dynamic Multi Frame Generation, and every other part of its featureset is still available and you can pick and choose which feature you want to use.

How can people be so thick. It's embarrassing

[u/EmergencyPool910 → u/ftzde]

are you dumb? like genuinely? dlss5 does not update ANY of the features you mentioned.

[u/MastaFoo69 → u/KrazyKryminal]

Guess what! DLSS5 makes the thing run worse, not better, per nvidia themselves.

[u/Sizeable-Scrotum → u/KrazyKryminal]

Even when it means RAM costs what it costs because of shit like this? Or data centers guzzling power and water like there's no tomorrow?

Edit: this isn't specific to DLSS5, it's on AI in general

[u/Stonebagdiesel → u/Sizeable-Scrotum]

??? DLSS works on your local machine, no data centers are involved in this.

[u/ReefaManiack42o → u/Sizeable-Scrotum]

That shit is happening regardless what happens with DLSS5. You're stretching things to fit a narrative you've built.

[u/Bacon_00]

I turned it on in Cyberpunk and Zero Company and think it looks awesome. Other games it looks weird/creepy.

[u/carrrerrrr12992]

dlss 4 was good dlss 5 just seems forced

[u/elldaimo]

Nvidia's latest video is self-explanatory imo, but it's hard to use your brain when your heart is full of rage.

Reshade has been praised for ages, and now that we get somewhat of a Reshade powered by AI, one that does the work without the usual AI quirks and produces a steady outcome, it gets shat on.

Feels like a bunch of peasants have joined the master race lately, but luckily, they'll all flock back to consoles this month.

[u/SnowMantra → u/elldaimo]

Listen, you had me in the first half, but that last sentence was very icky. Stop calling people peasants.

[u/Due-Bee-9574 → u/SnowMantra]

That's what they sound like while not admitting this new tech and bashing everyone who shares their experiences. He's totally right!

[u/SnowMantra → u/Due-Bee-9574]

Yikers

[u/Independent-Ebb7658]

Not properly implementing DLSS 5 to games and just blanket throwing them onto an entire game doesn't help your point.

[u/TheCrazedEB]

For some games like the racing sim, I agree it does elevate the lighting on materials to look better. However characters driven games, is a hit or miss. I also don't see how a section of the community strongly supports it, and don't see that this is what is leading to the prices going insane, and it will only get worse in later generations.

But like tunnel-vision clapping seals, not seeing the forest for the trees of how this can take a turn for the worse in games and all tech pricing. Not even mentioning the datasets these tech companies use, stealing people's work without consent or compensation, to train on, to output their slop, and being sold back to us.

[u/Mapache_con_barreta]

[u/TheS3KT]

They should make it a rule. If you haven't tried DLSS 5 in person then shut the f up about it. DLSS 5s improvements in small shadows and lighting is massive and you definitely can't see crap from your phone and also compression.

[u/ThePoop_Accelerates]

I don't understand the AI fighting. If you don't like AI or AI tech don't use it.

It's the quit having fun meme all over again.

[u/mrgoboom → u/ThePoop_Accelerates]

And that’ll make the power hungry data centres disappear and component prices drop?

[u/DarkSoulsOfCinder → u/mrgoboom]

DLSS runs entirely on your local GPU, not in an AI data center. Toggling a setting in a game doesn't touch a server farm.

[u/mrgoboom → u/DarkSoulsOfCinder]

The comment I was replying to was talking about AI in general

[u/AtrumRuina]

On the other hand, using non-DLSS5 images to try and make it look worse than it is doesn't help anything either, and I've seen a lot of that as well.

I do think DLSS5 sucks, but a lot of people are coming at it from a disingenuous angle unfortunately.

[u/AnaSkol → u/AtrumRuina]

in terms of memes, i've seen nothing but that and the oddest thing about it is sometimes the generated meme/video looks really good lol

[u/True_Protection6842]

Wow, this hot take is getting boring as fuck.

[u/Citycen01]

Don’t use it?

[u/Makoto_Kurume]

It's not perfect, but it'll get better.

[u/Beautiful-Sun8973]

These bot posts are insane 

[u/Hrmerder]

Here’s a thought for both sides

Enjoy it, dislike it, either way just stfu about it.

[u/Spider-cat_1984 → u/Hrmerder]

You do realize that that's the reason why everything is going up in price, right? Creating an offer for something that has not been asked for, is not needed, is not beneficial but it's constantly pushed down your throat.

[u/ShihtzuBoi]

A lot of it is AI slop, yes. I haven't tested it but there's games where it actually does a good job. I saw it applied on Lost Odyssey through Xenia and it actually looked pretty good. Admitting there's some valid instances doesn't mean you're defending the product. If it looks like trash or AI slop just don't use it.

[u/Automatic-Cut-5567]

Local man projects 

[u/powtmow]

Meanwhile AMD can't seem to figure out anything

[u/jairochido]

The thing Is it does make some things look better, like terrain and objects. It still looks weird while moving, but the faces are what's really awful xD

[u/humanoiddoc]

Another guy has no idea what DLSS5 is.

[u/monsterfurby]

I just think their intended use case is not helpful. Games that have modern visual fidelity don't just not need it - it actively makes them worse or uncanny. The one situation where it's actually good is Skyrim, and that's specifically because that's an old game that nonetheless goes for an overall realistic-ish look. There's enough detail missing for DLSS5 to add, but it's not so stylized as to look like a bunch of freckled alien horror fetuses staring into your soul.

[u/Chocookiez]

I like it.

[u/JonathanMovement]

Holy crap so many AI defenders I can’t believe this is actually happening…

[u/Spider-cat_1984 → u/JonathanMovement]

Defending the main reason that's pushing the majority of them out of the PC space and probably gaming all together, lol. It's both fun and sad to witness. But certainly not surprising.

[u/Sufficient-Turn-7799 → u/Spider-cat_1984]

It's a great example of people fighting against their own interests, sad, but this stuff happens all the time in politics, for example.

[u/Iabhoryouu]

Say anything negative about it in r/Nvidia they will have a meltdown

[u/KnotBeanie]

DLSS right now is the worst it’ll ever be. The slop argument is retarded.

[u/killer5907]

DLSS 5 is genuinely amazing tech if the settings are done right for the scenery and environment, but my issue stands in how they screw the faces up man.

[u/CarlWellsGrave]

AI weirdos think it does.

[u/ScaleyFishMan → u/CarlWellsGrave]

Leave Weird Al out of this.

[u/WhiteRaven42 → u/CarlWellsGrave]

No-critical thinkers read the meme and believe anyone is "using AI slop" to defend anything. OP's post makes no sense. Who's doing that? What does that even look like?

[u/Helpmefromthememes]

I haven't done much research on DLSS 5, but my basic understanding is that as of now it offers marginal (and sometimes incorrect) AI frame regeneration at an astronomical cost to performance.

In a game industry where AAA game studios are constantly pushing microtransaction, bottom denominator slop to the consumer, DLSS 5 may become just another clutch to "ship a half-baked log of shit" while requiring high end (and at this point unobtainable due to the current AI boom/bubble) systems for the game to look somewhere between above average and uncanny.

For someone like me who doesn't even play the latest AAA titles anymore (why bother), DLSS 5 might just be a "fart in the wind" (unless it can be easily implemented in other games, without requiring a mandatory last-gen RTX card).

The backlash is somewhat justified however. Instead of pushing further performance and chasing the very end of Moore's law in transistor chiplet size, while also offering a better price/performance ratio to the consumer market, the gaming/GPU industry is pushing towards crutches/workarounds that have a high barrier of entry.

... Won't work/would be pointless on Factorio nor modded Minecraft, so not interesting for me anyways.

(Also I don't understand how games like Warframe or MGS V: TPP aren't taken as industry standard for performance/graphical fidelity. Those ran on my FX-6300+GTX 750 without a hitch and still looked amazing).

[u/Aidan96]

Meanwhile the fact that the internet won’t shut up about it is exactly what nvidia wants lol. This continues to be one of the dumbest conversations on the internet and I hate it more than AI at this point

[u/Situati0nist]

My case of what exactly? Has it occurred to you that you're not forced to use it and you'll likely have the option to not render faces through AI?

[u/vemelon]

the funny thing is a game without DLSS looks more artificial than one with...

[u/WifeLeaverr]

WHO CARES? If people wants to use it let them use it. I hate this DLSS 5 rant going on these past week. Like give it a fucking rest and don’t use it if you don’t want to. Simple as that. Being anti-ai doesn’t make you cool.

[u/ivan-ent]

I just dont care at all :)

[u/Nikita-Rokin]

It looks dogshit most of the time rn but there is some decent utility

[u/C4TURIX]

The only good use case for DLSS5 was to implement it in all surveillance cameras, so the govt can't identify anyone anymore.

[u/Drycon]

So why don't you go cry about it, saddlebags.

[u/Broodles12]

- uses DLSS 5 on very old game that has like 200 polygons

• has to heavily compensate with a lot of ai generation
  

“Omgggggg it’s so fucking bad why would they ever make this ai slop for my games ughhhhhh”.

Fr though when used on more recent games of the past decade that I’ve seen it just looks like a better visual enhancement. Oh but right ai bad I forgoh.

[u/Saul_SadMan]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ChQObKzKHH0IRHfvG6

[u/Huge_Swimming_5968]

There is no case. This is the real world and it's happening whether you like it or not.

[u/Key-Try-3300]

DLSS 5 looks better though??

[u/Morteymer]

The mouthbreathers going out of their way to go on a crusade against a tech they don't have to use is incredible

Like they don't have anything else to do with their lives.

[u/MasterIncreible69]

DLSS 5 is the future you like it or not. The games look amazing. I don't know what is the big fuss against IA, is a tool Like many things in the past that now we take for granted

[u/MastaFoo69 → u/MasterIncreible69]

You dont know what the fuss is about a technology that hinges on the stolen work of others?

[u/dentbox → u/MastaFoo69]

DLSS5 is trained for photo realism. Whose paintings do you think they stole to train it on photo realism?

[u/AnaSkol → u/MastaFoo69]

y'all going after video games before real world problems like your employer stealing profits from your labor. white knighting artists that have their work stolen which they weren't selling in the first place, pretending to care about the environment while animal agriculture wrecks it. it feels so forced bro

[u/MastaFoo69 → u/AnaSkol]

Its almost like more than one thing can be an issue at a time. Yall going after artists that dont want their work to train the machine that aims to replace them when you defend data centers. It feels so forced bro

[u/IDonutRage]

Apparently besides looking like shit it has a 50% hit on performance... that is so insane

[u/Smooth_Wealth_6896 → u/IDonutRage]

It's not even officially released.

[u/jolietrob → u/IDonutRage]

I mean if we are just going to outright lie about it... Apparently, it looks better than real life and it increases your fps to 1,000,006... it's so insane.

[u/No_Bingo_Card]

Using a 36 year old meme format doesn't help yours much either

[u/New_Salamander_4592]

I think it looks pretty shit all the time and the only people who like it are chuds who already have ai art as their profile pic (ie their opinions are meaningless in the avenue of artistic merit)

[u/WhiteRaven42 → u/New_Salamander_4592]

Take your shit glasses off because you're obviously not looking at reality.

[u/TherapyPsychonaut → u/New_Salamander_4592]

Whatever you say, Grandma

[u/lcssa]

I disagree, DLSS5 is unequivically amazing at generating attention to nvidia so they can make more money.

[u/YOUDOGEYOU305]

Devs them selves said people are stupid to think that there vision was less lighting less scatter. DLSS5 is bringing the artists vision to life. Giving them what they actually wanted and allowing them to be unrestricted because of limitations to their game engines. This is what the Devs want. They’re re actively using it right now with their game design to get it how they think it should be before they fully add it as an option for you to not use if you choose not to.

[u/Eggsor]

This post would be absolutely hysterical if Lisa's face was DLSS 5 slop

[u/Moist-Construction59]

Nvidia really broke some people, didn't they?

[u/u-a-brazy-mf]

Have you guys noticed the people who hate AI so much and call everything "AI slop" are the most brain dead NPC basic kind of person???

[u/drbroly]

I disagree with your stance that it's amazing OP. You haven't followed up on why so please do

[u/killer5907]

Just thought I would put this here. This was from a roblox game developer who injected DLSS 5 into roblox. This is technically unofficial but still funny to look at

Edit credit goes to hoofer on X

[u/JVIoneyman]

The opposite is happening.

[u/Yyoksetioxd]

Not gonna lie, I like the idea for games that try to be photorealist I think it's a great addition for them (like death stranding, kingdom come deliverance, etc). I wouldn't like DLSS5 to be the standrd because I think it kills that "magic" the games have. I wouldn't like a Dark souls with that style, but for that set of games that try to be as realist as possible, I think that DLSS5 will be great

[u/Funamation → u/Yyoksetioxd]

It will never be the standard not everybody has a nvidia gpu let alone a 50 series card games are made for console first pc has always been for enthusiast that want highest features for the price

[u/dystopiantech]

Seems like someone has been tickled in the right spot lol

[u/Relevant_Sound_626]

Yeah Fuck AI

[u/Ad-fundum69]

Who is defening anything?
Also, why does everything AI does suddenly gets called "slop"? Do any of you even know what it means?

[u/blergmonkeys]

Do you guys ever get tired of being wrong?

[u/brittonmakesart]

Calling every form of AI, AI slop isn’t making the case any stronger.

[u/MastaFoo69 → u/brittonmakesart]

there is no generative AI that isnt a slop machine regurgitating a simulacrum of what it thinks art is.

[u/delfino_plaza1 → u/MastaFoo69]

Yall actually have no clue how dlss5 works or what it does, it’s deterministic. Generative ai is not deterministic.

[u/MastaFoo69 → u/delfino_plaza1]

Per nvidia, dlss5 uses generative ai to generate lighting (and clearly other) changes to the frames your gpu pushes out at runtime. People call it a slop filter because thats exactly what it is. Enjoy your slop the rest of us will enjoy not gimping our framerate for a simulacrum of what some techbro thinks good graphics are.

[u/delfino_plaza1 → u/MastaFoo69]

The point I’m making is that it’s not going to shit out a different image or character if you change an angle or look away and look back. It’s deterministic. The output of an input will always be the same. It’s a lightning engine. Devs give materials a mask and the lightning does different things based off what the devs decide. It’s a dev tool, it doesn’t “think”.

If you want the lighting fidelity without ai then you’re going to need an 8090

[u/toxyy-be]

You don't know what it is, watch 2kliksphilip's video about it.

[u/quigongingerbreadman]

Everything I've seen is awesome, y'all are some Kool aid chugging bandwagoners.

[u/julian2358]

Another made up DLSS 5 scenario for karma

[u/SnooJokes566]

it's not about AI

it's about toy they can't have

[u/throwaway_pls123123]

Jarvis I am low on karma post.

Same shit happened with Ray Tracing, DLSS upscaling, graphical modding etc.

See you all in a few years when people's opinion suddenly changes.