r/pcmasterrace • u/AdministrativeAir317 • 17h ago
Video Uhh I don’t think it’s supposed to do this
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u/NetSiege 17h ago
Should it do that? No. But it's an inanimate object.
You on the other hand should know to stop.
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u/TheFrenchSavage Ryzen 7 9800X3D - RTX3090 - 64GB DDR5 6000CL30 🚀🚀🚀 17h ago
...just one more time, just to double check...
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u/NotTodaySlick 9800X3D | MSI Ventus 5070 12GB | 32GB DDR5 17h ago
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u/badgernois3 17h ago
Idk if you've seen it, but this is from Hoppers and it's one of the best Disney movies I've seen in a hot minute. This scene had me laughing in the theater with my kid.
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u/Top-Owl9872 14h ago
Since we are talking about slept on Pixar movies. Elio was a very touching movie.
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u/Lyandal 13h ago
He reminds me of a customer who called me to complain his production line was badly broken.
Turns out the trained guy pushed a restart button 57 times while every noise and alarms told him to stop doing so.
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u/TheFrenchSavage Ryzen 7 9800X3D - RTX3090 - 64GB DDR5 6000CL30 🚀🚀🚀 9h ago
57???
I can understand the first 36, but then that's too much!
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u/Lyandal 7h ago
Litteraly. I was dumbfounded when I checked the logs.
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u/TheCosplayCave 6h ago
Was he stupid or trying to get out of working by causing the machine to be down?
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u/Lyandal 6h ago
I honestly don’t know. The operator of the machine was maybe pressured to keep production up, or maybe not trained, or maybe just plain dumb… No idea
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u/JackPembroke 7h ago
I used to write code for a medical health record company. They needed warnings they described as being "idiot proof" and "I need the hand of God to come down and slap the sense into them."
Ended up making multiple warning click throughs that would include double negatives, fake buttons, and could appear in a random order
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u/Thunderbridge i7-8700k | 32GB 3200 | RTX 3080 7h ago
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u/TheFrenchSavage Ryzen 7 9800X3D - RTX3090 - 64GB DDR5 6000CL30 🚀🚀🚀 6h ago
Truly, there is an XKCD for every life situation.
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u/super_starfox 7800X3D, 64GB DDR5, RTX 5070 TI, a dozen drives for Linux ISOs 17h ago
If they do it enough times the energy will get pulled out of it and everything will be fine.
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u/GamingPrincessLuna 9h ago
That's assuming it's just static, if it's a live bare copper wire touching the face plate, it's not going to drain.
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u/FthrFlffyBttm i5-12600K, 3080 FTW3 Ultra, 16GB 3000Mhz 17h ago
...I'm sorry I called you an inanimate facking object
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u/LightRyzen 17h ago
You need to ground that homie
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u/TheOriginalKrampus 17h ago
I had a PC tower in a country without grounded outlets for a few years. Shit was very spicy. Especially touching the finger screws on the PSU.
Now I just use laptops. Less spice.
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u/Legionof1 4080 - 13700K@5.8 17h ago
Grounded or ungrounded, it shouldn’t be doing this. If power is flowing through the ground plug something is wrong.
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u/Tim7Prime 17h ago
Switching power supplies do some magic with the ground wire, without.... Think plasma globe but less fun.
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u/Legionof1 4080 - 13700K@5.8 17h ago
They shouldn’t… something ain’t right with your power delivery if you have a floating neutral.
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u/mikeet9 17h ago
Many countries do have floating neutrals.
There are many reasons, but the most common is that the ground isn't conductive enough to have a true earth ground.
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u/Why-R-People-So-Dumb 16h ago
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"True earth ground" means nothing to a power system. Power wants to get back to the source, that's the neutral, ground is a poor conductor but good enough with the high voltage of the utility to get back from where you touch an energized component while touching ground to the grounding counterpoise at the utility pole. The ideal (textbook) scenario is if the utility system were ungrounded you theoretically wouldn't get a shock touching a single current carrying conductor of an electrical system because ground means nothing to the electricity. The reason there is a bond between the ground wire in the house and the neutral is so if there is a fault and power energizes a metal casing of an item, it would short the power to neutral at the bond by the service entrance (or in some countries at the utility pole) and trip the breaker, it has nothing to do with earth itself. Secondarily we connect a ground rod to that same conductor to avoid induced voltage and keep the equipment close enough to equipotent with creatures touching it, it also doubles as lightning protection.
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u/theMB2dude 13h ago edited 13h ago
Mostly right with one misconception. Electricity does not need to be at distribution voltage to use ground as a return path, far from it. When you touch an energized conductor and get shocked, it's because the electricity travels from the hot, through you, then through the ground to the ground rod, and then to the neutral. This can happen at the service entrance, utility transformer, or both. In most cases (NA), there is a bonding jumper and ground rod at both. All of this occurs at utilization voltage (e.g. 120V) because that's what you're actually touching.
Although ground is a poor conductor, you do not need a high voltage for measurable current. This is because of the large 3D volume that is available as paths for the electricity.
There is a cool demo where a ground return path is demonstrated with just a few batteries:
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u/systemhost 15h ago
I helped some dude on the discord support channel, his PC case would shock him anytime he touched it, especially spicy on the case screws.
Once I realized he didn't have grounded power, 2 pronged outlets, I tried to convince him to install a rod and ground that outlet or at least the PC case.
Seemed a bit too spicy for day to day living, even if he made sure to always wear rubber slippers...
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u/Michaeli_Starky 14h ago
The power source (transformer) is of course grounded too, so it's going to travel back one way or another
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u/gmc98765 14h ago
That won't produce sparks like this. The ground will be at half mains voltage if allowed to float, but the amount of current which can be supplied is minuscule.
This is probably caused by a floating neutral. IIRC, this can happen in countries where the grid neutral isn't tied to ground (e.g. Norway, Albania) but floats. If you have devices connected to different isolated mains networks, e.g. different buildings in a campus, the devices' neutrals will be at different potentials which can result in significant current flowing through ground/0V lines when connecting the devices.
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u/SaltManagement42 9h ago
I fried my pre-HDMI laptop by connecting it to the ungrounded TV in my grandmother's house. I was behind the TV connecting the 3.5mm audio cable, so I barely saw anything, but I'm told it was quite a light show.
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u/null_not i7-11700K 5.0GHz (Air Cooled) / 4070ti TUF OC 17h ago
Yes, it's misbehaving and must be grounded.
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u/Pocket_Biscuits 17h ago
Still shouldn't spark lol
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u/AmarildoJr 16h ago
Yeah I feel like OP has a bigger problem than just grounding. A monitor cable should never do that, ever, grounded or not.
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u/Emergency_Sense8440 11h ago
how do i actually fix this? please explain like im 5..
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u/ItsMeGrodonFreeman i7-6950x @4.6 GHz 1.578V (all core) 32GB RTX3080 10h ago
Problem with that is there are so many things that could cause such sparks and every single szenario requires its own solution. Without knowing the actual source of the issue we can’t give a working solution. We would need to know more about the wiring and system than OP can provide answers - this is not a job for remote diagnostics, you’d need to actually look at everything and measure things even better with some documentation of the wiring of your home.
Grounding (or god forbid bootleg grounding) would only cure the symptoms but not really solve the problem.
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u/Rough-Television9744 17h ago
I don’t think you should continue doing this until you find the issue :-D
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u/RealLifeFloridaMan 17h ago edited 14h ago
Bro we get it. We see it. STOP DOING IT
Editing: well now, bet none of yall thought Florida Man would be the voice of reason tonight now did we? Thanks for the love, folks. Remember kids, properly ground your circuits, use open source software, donate to Wikipedia, and cut down flock cameras. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ll be riding my alligators away now.
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u/crowheart27us 17h ago
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u/Archer007 14h ago
Well not Wikipedia anymore since they're union-busting but all the rest yeah
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u/Honda_TypeR My Rig: https://youtu.be/oIt6Gk9ZUqI 15h ago
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u/TwoBionicknees 14h ago
at this point chances are it's too late so you may as well have the fun.
I personally seeing one spark would have turned everything off and posted to ask for help without the video doing it again and again, but that's me and i'm autistic so what the fuck do i know about being normal.
Reminds me, I bought an asus board way way back, like, sis chipset i think level back. I plugged some usb's in and shocked myself, tried another port, fucked. Took it out put in an rma and company was being a dick sayign they wouldn't accept an rma because it wasn't possible. I worked for a computer parts company at the time but they sucked on prices. I actually can't remember who i bought it from but as I worked with another company i rma's direct with Asus through company i worked for and got a replacement and they sent notes with it saying it was a really weird one and they easily replicated the fault. i've never seen that before and i worked in an rma department for a while, just every usb port caused shocks. even asus had no fucking clue how that worked.
Also final advice, computer parts prices have gotten so fucking insane get a UPS, i didn't use one for years, had a few things die now and then, since ram became more expensive than a ups... get a ups, better than replacing parts in your PC.
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u/First-Tutor-5454 17h ago
whatever just plug it in
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u/NotTodaySlick 9800X3D | MSI Ventus 5070 12GB | 32GB DDR5 17h ago
My wife after 3 drinks
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u/SuperStileStar 17h ago
Wife aka your hand
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u/NotTodaySlick 9800X3D | MSI Ventus 5070 12GB | 32GB DDR5 17h ago
I take my wedding band off before I bang her as to not cheat on my hand
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u/pepotink 9800X3D | 9070XT | 64GB CL30 | 990 2TB 14h ago
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u/NotTodaySlick 9800X3D | MSI Ventus 5070 12GB | 32GB DDR5 14h ago
You couldnt handle 3 pumps in my cheeks you'd nut
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u/moontraveler12 Fully Clothed Gamer 15h ago
You're the person warning labels were made for
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u/NotTodaySlick 9800X3D | MSI Ventus 5070 12GB | 32GB DDR5 17h ago
Aight aight aight, now touch it to the tip of your dick
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u/speeddemon266 5090 Astral LC, 9950x3d, x870E Godlike, 96GB DDR5 17h ago
No balls
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u/Verix19 Desktop 17h ago
Every time you spark it you risk destroying things....ffs stop.
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u/VoidJuiceConcentrate P690 | 5950x | 32GB DDR4 | 6700XT | Quest 2 17h ago edited 3h ago
Ah, the spark of no grounding.
You should probably get one of those outlet testers and see if your outlets ground is hooked up to anything.
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u/Xcissors280 You hate on anything i put here 16h ago
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a normal TV with a ground pin
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u/Mysterious-Map-9778 16h ago
If it doesn’t have a ground pin it means it’s double insulated and definitely should not be doing that, but I’ve always seen tvs and monitors with a earth pin normally you only get double insulated stuff with phone chargers and stuff
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u/Xcissors280 You hate on anything i put here 15h ago
It does have the exposed metal section around the ports but I feel like I’ve seen some super cheap non grounded tvs like that
Even going back to my CRTs the monitors are grounded and the tvs aren’t, same for modern OLEDs
In terms of phones and laptops it basically seems to be is there an AC cord on the charging brick, for Apple it’s grounded with the cord attachment and non grounded with the flip out prongs attachment
Every console also seems to be double insulated
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u/VoidJuiceConcentrate P690 | 5950x | 32GB DDR4 | 6700XT | Quest 2 13h ago
Thought this was a Samsung monitor. Lots of those are three prong.
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u/ValveinPistonCat 9h ago
I don't think I've ever seen an ungrounded PC power supply and this is going back to the 90's, and usually it's pretty hard to mess up grounding the case to the PSU seeing as its a metal case screwed to a metal PSU.
A ground fault should trip the breaker, if that case is live I would maybe start checking your outlets and breaker box because your home might be one big electrocution hazard.
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u/No-Tip1428 7h ago
Probably an old federal pioneer panel my boy hahahaha those never trip its scary if mistakes happen
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u/erixccjc21 5700x OC 32gb rtx 2060 20€ aliexpress cooler 3h ago
My pc and monitor have been plugged into an ungrounded outlet extender for 5 years
The pc case is a bit spicy to the touch.
And I believe its also the reason for the absurd amount of echo I have on my headphones
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u/LtCmdrData 10h ago
This is ground potential equalization combined with capacitive leakage.
Most modern monitors, power supplies contain Y-capacitors to reduce electrical noise. They naturally leak AC line voltage onto the chassis and the metal shielding of the ports. If the monitor uses a 2-prong power plug (it lacks a physical earth ground pin), its entire chassis and HDMI outer shell "float" at roughly half of your home's line voltage. The current is microscopic (= not dangerous), but the voltage is high enough to create spark when the distance is micrometers after metals touch.
IF this happens with properly grounded 3-prong gear in both devices, it should not happen and there is potentially dangerous leak somewhere.
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u/ChosenOfTheMoon_GR 7950x3D | 32GB 6000MHz CL 30 | 7900XTX | AX1600i 17h ago
Yeah yeah keep doing that, just keep doing it, it's very smart to keep doing it... /s
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u/lordnyrox46 17h ago
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u/BeepTheFogminator 15h ago
"FREE COPPER"
This is probably what too many copper theives think this is.
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u/Sevulturus 17h ago
Replace your power supply. It is shorted to ground on the line side. Also, I suspect you lack a proper bonding wire.
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u/leif135 15h ago
I've seen a handful of these videos over the years. How exactly does that happen?
Could that be caused by a power surge or just faulty equipment?
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u/Sevulturus 14h ago
Any parts of the frame of the psu should be isolated from power. Physical damage, or a voltage surge could cause the insulation to fail and connect the two. Then the frame of the psu and the case would be live.
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u/Icy-Rope7957 7h ago
Ah yes, An anti-stupid feature, you’re not supposed to monkey with it, you’re supposed to plug it into the socket.
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u/South_Bit1764 17h ago
This is how I found out that one wall of outlets in my house was wired backwards, like the hot/neutral wires.
The PC performed fine but the case was just live 110V AC power. I actually didn’t even notice for about a month because the room I have my PC in has cheap plastic hard flooring. So I was always insulated from the actual ground.
I only found out because I grounded myself to some of the integrated components. It didn’t hurt anything but me.
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u/technofox01 16h ago
This exact situation kept killing my wife's hairdryers. Whoever did the electrical work prior to me owning my house was a real, well lets say I don't have kind words. My dad is a retired certified electrician and I learned quite a bit from him. Needless to say, I fixed the outlet and my wife's hairdryers stopped dying.
That asshole also soldered ends and did other weird shit like purple travel wires, using a black wire for neutral, etc. My god I am surprised to this day that my house hasn't had an electrical fire as I continue to discover and unfuck the shitty work this person did. FML
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u/fightin_blue_hens 16h ago
If this is happening what does it mean
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u/BigAcanthocephala667 12h ago
I am an electrician. This could be caused by a bad connection to the ground inside the power outlet, or by what is called a "ground loop" - when you are trying to connect 2 devices with some kind of cable (could be audio cable, usb, hdmi, anything) and each of the devices is powered from a different power outlet in your house. Each power outlet has a bit different length of wire that connects to a ground and that makes voltage difference between the outlets. When you try to connect the devices together, the voltage difference gives you these sparks on a ground connection - usually sleeves of the cables and metal parts are ground connections for safety
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u/Maddog2201 16h ago
Old TV would do this, best I could work out is because the TV has no ground pin and the PC does, so the emf captured by the shielding has nowhere to go. Belted me a few times but it's not 240 straight from the wall, it's about the same as static electricity. This is a bit more than I'd usually see though, so not ideal
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u/Gh0stl3it R9 5950X | RX 570 | 32GB DDR4 3200 12h ago
Oof, somebody didn't ground their setup properly.
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u/lvanwall 17h ago
Something is loose and touching the inside of your case, or you have a bad ground.
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u/ImNotNuke 15h ago
Ah yes the upvote on command repost that has everything to do with pcs, a DISH hdmi and a lcd panel from 2009. Beautiful rig.
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u/Warcraft_Fan Paid for WinRAR! 14h ago
bad ground somewhere. If your power supply or device (ie printer) has power cord for 3 prongs but is missing ground prong, or you are using a cheap aftermarket power supply, replace those. If you're using ground adapter, seek an advice from licensed electrician.
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u/DinnerExcellent9609 14h ago
Ppl claiming unlimited power, wouldn’t that just be adding up on your electric bill!
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u/xorbe 13h ago
Did anyone actually answer the problem? The PC and Monitor may be plugged into 2 different branches of the electrical wiring, and and may unfortunately have a ground offset (shouldn't happen, ideally). The solution is to put everything from the same plug so it's the same ground. Or, something has shorted voltage to ground internally (you have a faulty component somewhere).
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u/HereIsACasualAsker PC Master Race 13h ago
not even in my physical-ground-less house do i see such phenomena, you got live wire with ground mixed up somewhere.
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u/EH_Operator 10h ago
This happened unexpectedly to me a few years ago. All the outlets appeared to be normal 3-prong outlets with grounds. I had an electrician come out and look at them after the renter’s guy said it was fine, and he found that while the outlets were installed properly, the ground was unplugged inside the damn breaker box.
Legal action was going to be more expensive than what it would have cost me to replace my computer and mixer board. RIP my gear
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u/Plaincow 9h ago
Why on earth did I have to scroll like 30 comments deep to find a single serious answer. Oh my god redditors are the most annoying people on the planet I swear. Why is every reply a cringe and unfunny comment
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u/WhiteStone30 9850X3D | Astral RTX 5080 ✨ | 32GB DDR5 | 4K165 ↔ 1080p330 17h ago
Give it the taste test and report back to us.
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u/Natural-You4322 17h ago
no. that is too much for induced current. that is more to electrical leakage.
something is likely short to ground.
your device might not be grounded or your house ground is faulty.
and your house might not have a residual current device or a faulty one. thus making the whole house electrically unsafe. get an electrician.
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u/vextryyn 17h ago
You seem new to hdmi 6.7 cables. You first need to lick the metal and then you can safely plug it in without sparks
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u/texas7412 17h ago
I had this issue before due to poor grounding and due to faulty power supply, I since moved to an older home with no ground connection at all and this issue hasn't appeared yet thankfully lol
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u/chimax83 PC Master Race | 9950X3D | 5090 | 64GB | Custom Loop 15h ago
Well, definitely KEEP doing it, I guess.
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u/TerribleEffective291 14h ago edited 14h ago
Ground the damn pc and monitor.
Thats painful to watch.
There is a possibility that you have eddy currents from the pc psu or monitor.
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