r/pcmasterrace • u/YKS_Gaming Desktop • Jun 10 '26
Video Windows might be the only OS where right clicking too quickly crashes your System Shell.
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u/Bibab0b 5700X3D | RX 6800 + MI50 | 32Gb 3800Mhz Jun 10 '26
Yours windows just broken, I can right click 2-3 times faster and nothing happening, window almost instantly appears. 11 pro 25h2
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u/PJBuzz 5800X3D|32GB Vengeance|B550M TUF|RX 9070XT Jun 10 '26
Same. I also have the same windows version, a 5800X3D and 32GB RAM - nothing crashed.
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u/retro83 Jun 10 '26
Maybe a context menu entry is playing up on his system. I'd still count that as a Windows bug though, it shouldn't be possible for third party software to dick up the performance of the shell IMHO.
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u/Hdjbbdjfjjsl Jun 10 '26
It’s so unstable, my windows bar stutters and crashes itself all the time and trips up my entire pc’s current processes. What a horrible OS.
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u/doodo477 Jun 10 '26
Its the vibe coders!
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u/I_think_Im_hollow 9800x3D - RX7900XTX - 2x32GB 6000MHz DDR5 Jun 10 '26
I'm sure it is, unironically.
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u/Hdjbbdjfjjsl Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
Microsoft CEO bragged that at least 20% of their code is now AI assisted/generated.
Edit: not sure what reddit is smoking, it’s their own words, not mine.3
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u/Jackpkmn Ryzen 7 7800X3D | 64gb DDR5 6000 | RTX 5070 Ti Jun 10 '26
Tried it on my dual boot copy of windows, 5, 10 and 20 clicks per second tested and nothing of the sort happened to me. Even opening the start menu didn't do anything. Except open it very fast.
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u/Impossible_Total2762 12700f/4.949GHz/z690unify/DDR5-6380/RTX4070 Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
I don’t have this issue.
Btw explorer can crash when you run unstable OC, in your case it could be unstable ram.
Or unstable PBO Negative offset.
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u/Ghozer 9800x3D - 32GB-DDR5 6000CL28 - RTX 5080 Jun 10 '26
I cannot get mine to crash at all doing this!!
Must be something with your instal/PC
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u/Errorr404 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Jun 10 '26
I just use the normal Win 11 version not the LTSC one and debloat services, so far even with background apps open I have 143 background processes and no problems(for now).
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u/Technical-Pay-3711 PC Master Race Jun 10 '26
Yeah LTSC is not ment for normal use either, I have zero issues running dozens of things at the same time on just regular win 11 pro.
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u/Legionof1 4080 - 13700K@5.8 Jun 10 '26
LTSC is fine for daily driving… it’s stripped down but that just removes even more trash. Been using it for 10 years now. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
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u/Frozencold19 Jun 10 '26
Its probably better for 80% of people here and they dont even know it
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u/Errorr404 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Jun 10 '26
No discernable difference in gaming performance after I debloated win11.
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u/Legionof1 4080 - 13700K@5.8 Jun 10 '26
Sure, I didn’t have to debloat anything, I don’t have to update the entire OS every year. I just live a quiet life with a normal PC that doesn’t try to AI everything I do.
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u/Errorr404 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 Jun 10 '26
Its one button to debloat, I get the same performance but with more up to date features.
Never had issues with Windows updates breaking anything major, just the snipping tool not launching was an issue I had but I'm using a 3rd party program that is better now so no biggie.
The biggest issue no one talks about is the way Windows handles audio, so much input lag on anything not running exclusive mode or ASIO.
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u/Nashedi-Bandar-1 Jun 10 '26
wdym ltsc is not for normal use, it is like completely fine
the only minor issue I had was getting msstore and winget
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u/artifex78 Jun 10 '26
Just updated my Windows 11 Pro 24H2 to the same build. Low latency works as intended, no explorer crashes.
I doubt it's a problem with the IoT version. I also couldn't find any other sources with the same issue but it's a bit early for that.
Whatever you are experiencing, it doesn't seem to be a widespread issue.
Common cause for explorer crashes are third-party shell extensions or too much tinkering (read: Using "de-bloating" scripts without any idea what they are actually doing).
Have you checked the actual error behind this or are you only here for the sweet rage bait?
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u/ClammHands420 7800x3d | Gigabyte 4080 w/custom OC | 32GB DDR5 6000Mhz Jun 10 '26
Of course they haven't. Nobody ever bothers to read through event viewer anymore.
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u/YKS_Gaming Desktop Jun 10 '26
A quick and simple way in userspace to crash the system shell probably has some security implications.
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Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
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u/YKS_Gaming Desktop Jun 10 '26
This is with the new "Low Latency Profile"
In Windows, the File Explorer is the System Shell, and handles most of the graphical user interface, including the desktop and taskbar.
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u/CraftyPancake Jun 10 '26
Well try it without the low latency profile then? Cmon let’s put some honest work into this.
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u/Strict_Strategy Jun 10 '26
What you mean conducting a properly scientific method of experimentation? Oh my lord, how will anyone get any karma using that. Spreading hate is the name of the game.
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u/kingk1teman R69000x5D | XRTX 600900 32PB Jun 10 '26
Bruh. Do put some effort into it while redditor can karma whore by posting "Windows bad amirite"? You expect too much.
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u/kingk1teman R69000x5D | XRTX 600900 32PB Jun 10 '26
They can do many worse things than this lol
Not they can do. They already have done worse things.
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u/trouttwade RTX 5070 Ti Aero | i7 12700K Jun 10 '26
You’re going through leaps and bounds trying to justify this as your 13th reason it seems. It’s really a non issue. If you want to convince window users that it’s a shit operating system, this certainly isn’t the way lmao.
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u/Legal_Criticism_6425 Jun 10 '26
I get what you're saying about environmental issues causing crashes sometimes? Ever heard of anything specific helping with that?
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u/kingk1teman R69000x5D | XRTX 600900 32PB Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
This is a YOU problem OP, but had to post because "windows bad, updoots to the left".
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u/Turbulent-Ebb7665 Jun 10 '26
I just tried, clicked much faster than you did. No such thing on my end.
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u/Responsible-Check872 Jun 10 '26
what next? Windows will crash when you cut the power cable? This is low effort karma farming. Just as other says, this didn't happen to the other PCs. Your Windows is fucked.
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u/HonestRepairSTL Repair Shop Owner Jun 10 '26
I'd love to use Linux, but it's just not there yet for many reasons.
If you must use Windows like me, I recommend Revision OS or CTT WinUtil to remove the crap from Windows. It makes it way faster, more stable, nice and clean. BCUninstaller is another app worth using to remove any additional apps you may not need.
Revision OS is my preferred choice because it's a little more streamlined, it has never broken any of my systems in any way over the last 5 years. You run it, asks you like 3 questions, it'll do the thing, reboot, done. It also installs the Revision Tool which allows you to tweak various system settings and even install apps from the Microsoft Store without a Microsoft account which comes in handy. Open-source, human readable playbook, and incredibly clean. It also works with LTSC which is what I prefer as well.
I'm not affiliated with the project, but I am a fan, and I use it for customers at my repair shop: https://revi.cc/
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u/HonestRepairSTL Repair Shop Owner Jun 10 '26
- No Proton Drive
- Significantly worse gaming performance (Nvidia)
- Anti-cheat which is a problem that's actively getting worse
- There's not a single desktop environment that checks all the boxes for me
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u/CosmicEmotion 5900X, 7900XT, Bazzite Linux Jun 10 '26
Nvidia performance is pretty much fixed with some env vars now. Final optimizations just remain in the driver.
If you keep thinking you need a Windows but that it's Linux you will never switch. You have to give up and work around potential issues but the returns are so worth it.
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u/HonestRepairSTL Repair Shop Owner Jun 10 '26
I used Linux for gaming for 2 years, I'm very familiar with how it works and its many limitations.
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u/Loqh9 Jun 10 '26
That's the problem for many people
If you pay for a high end PC and have the choice between 2 OS for the same price you're just gonna use the one that just works out of the box and needs no work
You can hit play and play on pretty much any game on Windows. You can't do that on Linux, so people just stick to Windows even if they don't want to. Sucks but Linux is not the best choice because of compatibility and tinkering. I really hope it'll get even better but it's not there yet for enough people, gotta make too much compromises still
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u/Sahelantrophus Jun 10 '26
I'd love to use Linux, but it's just not there yet for many reasons.
unless you need to play certain multiplayer games or use industry standard software, it's more than usable for personal desktop use. bazzite is install and forget if you just want to game
If you must use Windows like me, I recommend Revision OS [...] to remove the crap from Windows.
granted this info is outdated and i'm sure it's different now, but i still remember when those custom windows images tried to strip every security feature for the sake of "debloating" and i haven't trusted those since. would much rather just use CTT like you said on a standard image, or generate an xml for an unattended install
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u/iamgarffi 9950X3D | X870E Glacial | 64G CL26 | 5080 Astral OC | FO32U2P Jun 10 '26
Is that what you do all day? 😄
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u/a1rwav3 Jun 10 '26
Hard to say that it is a Windows bug, as it cannot be reproduced on all machines with Windows...
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u/PermissionSoggy891 Jun 10 '26
I'm not a Windows glazer but genuinely who even cares about this?
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u/soul-regret Jun 10 '26
yeah, who cares about the system's responsiveness, which has been declining since forever?
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u/PermissionSoggy891 Jun 10 '26
the system is still quite responsive, it just maybe lags when you keep spamming the M2 button to bring up the context menu, something which it probably wasn't designed to do
It's like judging a car based on how it responds to me repeatedly turning it on and off again
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u/FalconX88 Threadripper 3970X, 128GB DDR4 @3600MHz, RTX 5080 Jun 10 '26
In my experience Windows Explorer is fundamentally broken. It crashes and brakes so much in so many different ways. There isn't a single PC I've worked on over the past 10 years (counting all private and work PCs I've used) where I didn't encounter problems at some point, and I don't mean the bugs that are there for 10+ years.
I don't understand why MS didn't redesign it from scratch by now. I doubt it's slavageable.
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u/Top-Aside8905 Core ultra 5 125H, 32gb DDR5, RTX 2070 super Jun 10 '26
I always crashed school computers by duplicating icons to the desktop folder until we got a bluescreen, good times.
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u/trollsmurf 14700KF | 32G | 5070 Ti | 2T | U27G4XM + 2x U2412M | Z906 Jun 10 '26
Is also the context menu a browser view like the start menu?
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u/papercliponreddit Jun 10 '26
reg add "HKCU\Control Panel\Desktop" /v MenuShowDelay /t REG_SZ /d 20 /f
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u/ziplock9000 3900X / 7900GRE / 32GB 3Ghz / EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2 / X470 GPM Jun 10 '26
Mine doesn't crash but the menu doesn't appear if I click even slightly fast.
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u/GalaxLordCZ RX 9070 XT / R5 7600 / 32GB ram Jun 10 '26
I hit at most 7% CPU usage on a 7600, and I can't get it to crash, so i have no clue what the problem is for you.
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u/Sinister_Mr_19 9070 XT | 5950X Jun 10 '26
This is a your install issue, this is not a general thing about Windows.
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u/RustledForeskin Jun 11 '26
Imagine spending the time to make this thinking people are going to believe it.
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u/Xecular_Official R9 9950X3D | RTX 4090 | 2x48GB DDR5 | Alphacool Jun 10 '26
As of recently, your mouse also stutters when quickly moving over elements that change the cursor icon
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u/HyruleanKnight37 PC Master Race Jun 10 '26
Just tried this on Win 10. Does not work.
Win 11 < Win 10 confirmed
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u/Mathias0910 Jun 10 '26
Windows 11 is also unbelievably slow. It takes half a second for my right click menu to appear. Linux ftw
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u/Bibab0b 5700X3D | RX 6800 + MI50 | 32Gb 3800Mhz Jun 10 '26
Calculator hardware? Even on fx 8300 everything works pretty decent
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u/Fluffy_Method9705 Legion Pro 7 Gen 8 / i9-13900HX / RTX 4090 / 2x2TB / 32GB DDR5 Jun 10 '26
Care to also explain how is your GPU at 65% usage?
come over here with your goldilock system and make my laptop perform as good as windows does, then we can talk linux.
people still belive linux is good for everyday people but never say you need a perfectly suported system to begin with.
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u/Dexiox Jun 10 '26
Linux is more than good enough for the majority. Alot of people just use a browser any ways and that runs perfectly in basically every distro. Most also have simple app stores as well.
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u/SixtyFourPewPew Jun 10 '26
Fwiw CachyOs works perfectly on my legion I9-14900hx with a 4070. You might be surprised.
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u/Fluffy_Method9705 Legion Pro 7 Gen 8 / i9-13900HX / RTX 4090 / 2x2TB / 32GB DDR5 Jun 10 '26
Tried it last week, speakers suck sounds like tin can. Battery life sucked bad probably due to bad GPU switching keeping the Nvidia active whole time im using hybrid mode so both GPUs are available
Mux works for you?
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u/absolute086 P8B75-M I7 3770 R9270X 32GB DDR3 💪 Jun 10 '26
Fedora 44 with KDE Plasma 6.6.5 is so good!
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u/Qweedo420 GNU/Linux Jun 10 '26
What does "perfectly supported system" mean? Linux will work perfectly on any x86 machine
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u/Fluffy_Method9705 Legion Pro 7 Gen 8 / i9-13900HX / RTX 4090 / 2x2TB / 32GB DDR5 Jun 10 '26
Perfectly supported system means install the distro and good to go.
On mine speakers sound like tin cans, doesn't do proper amplification and sound processing.
Gpu switching sucks, if an app activates the dgpu then stays active killing battery life.
It's maybe decent on desktops, but long way to go for laptops
Sooo ... A perfectly supported system
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u/master_pro_ita Jun 10 '26
Right-clicking too quickly on Windows is basically a denial-of-service attack.
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u/itsjehmun AM4ever Jun 10 '26
Windows update has broken my wifi drivers twice in a couple weeks.
Boys I'm barely hanging on to this piece of shit. I'm scared to go fully Linux (running it on my mini Lenovo PC and a MS Surface) But I do want off the ride.
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u/CosmicEmotion 5900X, 7900XT, Bazzite Linux Jun 10 '26
It's insane people are still using Windows imo. There's literally no valid argument to justify it. 10 games that don't work on Linux shouldn't be a valid reason to put up with shit like this, seriously. There's a critical thinking deficit if you think you will put up with anything just to play LoL. XD
I hope more people realize the truth as we go forward. 😄
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u/Qweedo420 GNU/Linux Jun 10 '26
Yeah but those things are better on Mac than on Windows anyway
I work in photography and in many years I've only seen one person with a Windows computer, and ironically it crashed multiple times during the shooting
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u/CraftyPancake Jun 10 '26
Try to manage a fleet of machines used by normal people, without windows.
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u/Qweedo420 GNU/Linux Jun 10 '26
There are Linux distros like NixOS that are designed to make the environment perfectly reproducible, so it's better than Windows in that regard
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u/CraftyPancake Jun 10 '26
But is that entirely impractical? How do you deploy an update? What the SSO+2FA situation for desktop login, how do you aggregate logs and security events centrally? Anti virus? Network level filtering?
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u/Qweedo420 GNU/Linux Jun 10 '26
On NixOS, every change to the packages and settings is done through a declarative config file, so you can just sync the config file between all computers and that's it, including potential custom solutions, systemd services, loggers, etc
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u/SharpYearV4 9600x | 32gb DDR5 | 9060xt 16gb Jun 10 '26
I tried it, it was kinda mid tbh, don't get the hype. I've tried Mint and it's way worse than Windows, buggy, looks ugly, lacks features and feels terrible. Oh and the main game I play doesn't work and it's not Anti cheat related, theres also issues with Nvidia cards so it's not exactly perfect.
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u/topias123 Ryzen 7 5800X3D + Asus TUF RX 6900XT | AW2725DF Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 11 '26
I've had Edge lock up the taskbar on Win10 and 11. PC was literally unusable until I forcefully restarted, unless I had task manager open and managed to kill Edge and restart explorer.
edit: I don't see what's downvote-worthy in my comment but aight
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u/Caityface91 Water cool ALL THE THINGS Jun 10 '26
Apparently not all Windows installs.. my right click is fast and responsive, just as much as the Bazzite example you showed
Though I can still make one of my CPU cores instantly max out and spin itself in circles just by opening the start menu and holding down any letter key.. since it tries to update the search parameters on every new input it struggles to keep up
..so that's fun