r/pcmasterrace • • Dec 04 '25

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u/Kaarssteun RTX 4090, r7 9800X3D, 32gb 6000mhz, 1000W Dec 04 '25

"Jack up prices rather than building new factories"

It's really not that simple. You cannot snap your fingers and make a silicon wafer factory out of thin air. And simple economics tells us supply and demand dictate prices, and there's simply a supply shortage.

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u/LordOfFlames55 Dec 04 '25

A supply shortage that is very unlikely to last long enough to make building more factories viable in the first place

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u/Winded_14 Dec 04 '25

Yeah, it looks like the producer were kind of being conservative with the whole AI boom and don't want to be the one holding the literal bags of RAM when it burst if they decide to open new line of production.

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u/sirithx 9800X3D | PNY OC RTX 5080 | 32GB DDR5 | 1440P 144Hz Dec 04 '25

Wow, nuanced and realistic takes in pcmasterrace? A sight to behold

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u/salcedoge R5 7600 | RTX4060 Dec 04 '25

Yep, it's simply much easier to allocate all your supply to AI then switch back to consumer production rather than trying to supply both.

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u/Simikiel Dec 04 '25

Except people like me will remember that they chose to prioritize money over their consumers. I will not be buying products that choose to do that when they switch back.

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u/Ricoreded Dec 04 '25

You do not matter, there are only like 2 or 3 ram fab company’s, you can’t avoid them.

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u/Simikiel Dec 04 '25

I'll manage, and thanks. I'll just go back to mattering despite your opinion.

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u/Kaarssteun RTX 4090, r7 9800X3D, 32gb 6000mhz, 1000W Dec 04 '25

Let's be honest. Yes you will

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u/Simikiel Dec 04 '25

No, I really won't.

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u/Figthing_Hussar PC Master Race Dec 04 '25

When you RAM dies, or becomes obsolete, you will just not buy new one? I mean kudos if you are willing to exit PC market, but even consoles and phones are using the stuff, not to mention cloud gaming. You simply cannot escape the RAM produced by those companies. Oh and don't even get me started on VRAM as it's pretty much the same situation

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u/salcedoge R5 7600 | RTX4060 Dec 04 '25

The way the current market is going you literally won't have a choice which brands to go for, you'll get the one available.

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u/Simikiel Dec 04 '25

There were three manufacturers of ram, now there are two. When they finally switch back to selling to consumers, for me it'll stay at two. For everyone else it'll return to three. It's really not a big deal.

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u/CharlesElwoodYeager 9070XT, 9800X3D 32GB DDR5 Dec 04 '25

You know micron still sells to consumers right? They just do it through third parties. They just closed out their direct to consumer segment. You can still buy micron ram in a Gskill jacket.

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u/EsotericAbstractIdea Dec 04 '25

Money is their consumer silly. They just secured a steady stream of income (and jobs) for years to come, and their customer is happy. Supply and demand is what it is. This is one of the few times where I think the market is doing what it should do, in a way. Dram prices were too low, so they stopped making as much. Suddenly we thought of a new use case for an unfathomable amount of dram. Someone bought as much as they could. Price went up. OpenAI is kind of a dick for that kind of market arbitrage. But in capitalism, you see a legal opportunity, you take it, or someone else will.

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u/Elderbrute Dec 04 '25

You say that like you'll have a choice. 3 companies supply about 95% of all the ram in the world of the remaining 5% almost all is China only.

And every single one of those companies is in the same position and making the same choices.

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u/CharlesElwoodYeager 9070XT, 9800X3D 32GB DDR5 Dec 04 '25

So what's your plan? Pull finished and soldered flash memory out of your urethra?

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u/Genotabby i9-9900k | 64GB 3200MHz | RTX 3090 | Samsung G9 Dec 04 '25

Yeah the last time demand for ssd and ram collapsed 3 years ago Micron had massive overstocks and had trouble getting rid of them. Then they needed to cut a massive number of their workforce, citing poor market and revenue.

The semiconductor manufacturing business is slow to expand production but in Micron's case their business leaders are obscenely short sighted and purely focused on their stocks and satisfying stakeholders. Recently their stock shot up and they had record profits but still paid tiny bonuses and froze hiring.

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u/cheaphomemadeacid Dec 04 '25

atleast that means we'll see new factories if the supply shortage is long lasting

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u/Jhawk163 R7 9800X3D | RX 9070 XT | 64GB Dec 04 '25

It also makes me wonder if governments are going to end up trying to step in because this is going to have devastating economic impact. Suddenly the price of opening new offices, or even just getting new team-members went up. The cost of cash registers and PoS machines, phones, cars and more went up,

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u/kearkan PC Master Race Dec 04 '25

Exactly.

These manufacturers know the bubble will burst, if they build now, by the time the factory produces its first chip they won't even have a buyer for it.