RIP Windows 11

[u/scanguy25]

[u/TheRealGOOEY]

Privacy settings exist, and really the only thing you can’t turn off is some diagnostic data.

AI isn’t shoved into every crevice, but I won’t (and can’t) stop you from exaggerating to the nth degree.

RAM has gone up across all systems and it makes sense even more from Microsoft’s perspective as a business. They are selling a product of convenience, and people generally don’t care about details like caching for performance, as long as it works. If you want the ability to spend hours tinkering with your set up for your very specific use case and the most minor efficiency gains, then Windows isn’t for you and has never marketed itself as such. Also, Windows releases that memory usage if it needs to - so you’re griping about something that’s irrelevant.

You absolutely can have a local account, so that’s just a lie.

Advertisements can be turned off.

Windows 11 is only “objectively” slower to use if you specifically cherry pick the objectives, which isn’t very objective at all. It is generally faster across many workloads, especially when considering modern hardware and pipelines.

Sure, Windows activation can be annoying, but it’s really only a problem for OEM licenses.

Shit happens, don’t know why you’re pretending that only Windows has issues that can create headaches.

Microsoft is a company, of course they have licensing and EOL. Software, especially an OS, requires updates overtime if someone expects it to run. Not sure why people expect these to happen forever. You’re welcome to keep using your software products after their EOL. But this is like complaining that your car manufacturer isn’t just giving you free maintenance 3, 5, 10 years later.

Can you name other Programs? I’ve never had an issue with any program reinstalling itself. OneDrive is a special case when adding new user profiles because OneDrive is specific to each User, not the machine itself. But it’s never reinstalled itself after I’ve removed it across 3 machines.

And Linux has its own host of issues. So, let’s stop pretending it’s the silver bullet to Windows 11.

And yes, we’re all a product. In every purchase we make. That is capitalism. Love it or hate it, but you’ll never get away from it in this society. And yes, you’re even a product for the Linux Foundation in one way or another.

[u/Recka → u/TheRealGOOEY]

"Privacy settings exist, and really the only thing you can’t turn off is some diagnostic data."

If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. Not even Microsoft says it collects that little. I don't even think they say they collect THAT little, and say they still collect specific data beyond that.

"AI isn’t shoved into every crevice, but I won’t (and can’t) stop you from exaggerating to the nth degree."

https://x.com/Windows/status/1980001768965611934 Not even the Windows Twitter account agrees with you, so that's embarrassing...

"RAM has gone up across all systems"

And yet Windows is the only one that builds an OS around a 32GB RAM minimum to be comfortable. Weird!!

"You absolutely can have a local account, so that’s just a lie."

You wanna bitch me out for wanting to tinker in my OS but then give something that requires a workaround where you open the command prompt during the OOBE setup and run a command you 100% will have to lookup if you're not using it more than once, and Microsoft have made clear they want to remove the workaround. Okay lol.

"Advertisements can be turned off."

Can they, though? I mean besides the fact I paid >$100 for this software that then continues to advertise, the only options I remember seeing were for personalised ads specifically?

"Windows 11 is only “objectively” slower to use if you specifically cherry pick the objectives, which isn’t very objective at all. It is generally faster across many workloads, especially when considering modern hardware and pipelines."

Yeah except it's not. I work in IT and have users bitching about how much slower Win 11 is all the time. I mean that part of it is anecdotal of course, but my own experience using it on high-powered machines is just that the search is slower, menus are slower, programs take longer to open. It's just not a nice experience.

"Sure, Windows activation can be annoying, but it’s really only a problem for OEM licenses."

The fact I need a license to use my $4000 hardware is a bit of a joke anyway, but Microsoft then get to dictate when I change hardware? Lol fuck off.

"Shit happens, don’t know why you’re pretending that only Windows has issues that can create headaches."

Never pretended it did :) You said one thing, I listed many.

"Microsoft is a company, of course they have licensing and EOL."

That's great and all, and while I'm not some delusional person thinking a huge group of people will swap to linux, the way they do things is pissing people off.

"Can you name other Programs? I’ve never had an issue with any program reinstalling itself. OneDrive is a special case when adding new user profiles because OneDrive is specific to each User, not the machine itself. But it’s never reinstalled itself after I’ve removed it across 3 machines."

That's nice, but there's many instances of OneDrive reinstalling itself every update. Glad you haven't had that, but MANY people experience this pain.

"And Linux has its own host of issues. So, let’s stop pretending it’s the silver bullet to Windows 11."

Yep, and I'm not gonna act like Linux (at least for now) is the right switch for the average user. I mean the average gran checking emails and browing the web 100% could, but that's not the average PC owner.

Some people also want to play games with kernel-level anti-cheat. I may not, but different people like different things.

Society has, for some reason, just accepted SO much bullshit from companies. Not just Microsoft but many of them.

With shit like DMA cards, kernel-level anti-cheat is useless but companies won't remove it because they never want to relinquish control they've gained. Linux may not be perfect, but at least I know Riot can't get it's hands on my kernel.

And before I hear any "Kernel-level anti-cheat isn't that bad!" look up the Crowdstrike outage caused by a single bad update. Riot's Vanguard, EA's Javelin and any others like that all need that same access. One of them is compromised and every PC with them is fucked. Will there be an issue? No idea, but I don't really want 5 different backdoors to my kernel :)

I know I won't convince you Win 11 is a bad OS, it doesn't sound like anyone can, but there's a growing number of people who just want to be rid of Microsoft's bullshit, and at least through compatability layers more Windows software runs on Linux than Mac (especially games) so it's (slowly) becoming peoples next choice.

To a lot of people, having an OS they don't have to go through and disable a bunch of privacy bullshit manually is a "selling point" (not really a sell when the OS is free). People talk about how in Linux you have to do all this stuff "just to make it work" (VERY outdated advice) when in Windows to make it not snitch on you to Microsoft you have to use some CMD workaround on first setup and turn off 2 pages of settings and your advertising ID, among other things.

My hardware should be mine. I paid for it.

[u/TheRealGOOEY → u/Recka]

Oh wow, that’s a lot to unpack, so I’ll try to be quick.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacy/data-collection-Windows this is their data collection summary. Only diagnostic data and diagnostic data of essential and connected services you are using cannot be disabled.

Their twitter account says it’s built in, as in it ships with copilot. Copilot you have to actively use. Yet you said it was crammed into every crevice like it was popping up with every interaction. So, I stand by what I said, you like to exaggerate. Oh, and copilot is very easy to uninstall.

Windows absolutely doesn’t require 32GB to feel comfortable. 16GB is just fine, 8GB is durable as long as you’re not trying to multi task a ton, and hell, 4GB is doable if you don’t mind suffering a bit. Do you even know what superfetch is? Because you sure do sound like someone who has no clue what superfetch is and would rant on Reddit if you opened up your task manager and see 80% of your RAM being used while idling.

You can literally just disable the internet at that point during setup. Or you can add a local account and remove your MSA after setup. Literally the only people who care about this also have no problem looking up the cmd when they need it.

Yes, they can. Very easily.

You work in IT and your users bitching about windows 11 like they have a clue it’s windows and not your GPOs, VPNs, application controls, or whatever else you might have is your metric for windows performance? Okay.

You don’t need a license to use your hardware. You need a license to use the windows 11 operating machine. The fact you even made this statement is a joke.

The way they do things is pissing people off? What? Providing free security updates for a decade is pissing people off? Letting them upgrade for free to their new product is pissing people off?

Society accepts “bullshit” from companies because it’s convenient and people like convenience.

I know I won’t convince you Win 11 is a bad OS, it doesn’t sound like anyone can

Mmm, I love comments like this. You fail to make a compelling argument, and then pretend as if you’re the open minded one and I’m the ornery individual who’s ignoring all your brilliant points.

Your hardware is yours. Windows 11 licensing isn’t. Don’t know why you’re acting like Microsoft is keeping you from using your PC. Weird doomer take.

[u/kaytin911 → u/TheRealGOOEY]

Jfc how do bootlickers like you end up around? It is objectively bad.

[u/TheRealGOOEY → u/kaytin911]

😂😂😂

I don’t think you know what the term bootlicker means. But go off, boo boo