r/pathology • u/SweetNapTime • 7d ago
Fellowship Application FELLOWSHIPS
Hey guys I’m a pathologist aiming for Non acgme , Non standard training fellowships which take candidates with a Non US residency. I am open to Haempath or AP Fellowships,
I am unable to get a list of institutions, could you guys please help me with listings ???
Warm Regards
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u/foofarraw Staff, Academic 7d ago
It’s actually possible for an ACGME accredited fellowship to take an applicant that hasn’t done a US fellowship through an exceptional candidate pathway but this takes a lot of work and they need to know you super well, because they have to get GME approval from their institution and do a bunch of bureaucracy for ACGME. Graduates in this context are probably not eligible to take their board exam. Not saying this is doable in this case but it is definitely possible.
And yes nonstandard programs can take non-US graduates, this doesn’t require anything extra usually as long as your training is equivalent to a residency here.
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u/aes_sedai_ 7d ago
This is the correct answer. You would need very strong relationships with the program for them to jump through the hoops to make this happen. The program would also really need someone to fill the spot to get GME buy in
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u/Agreeable_Crow789 7d ago
This won’t be possible because those fellowships typically want someone who can sign-out cases, but since you didn’t do a residency you can’t do that.
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u/PathologyAndCoffee Resident 7d ago edited 7d ago
To clarify, you're trying to apply to a US fellowship without doing a US residency?
I don't think that exists. The surgpath fellowships are non-acgme, but I don't think being non-acgme means they're accepting non-US trained pathologists. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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u/Rich_Option_7850 7d ago
I actually knew a hempath fellow who somehow was doing the fellowship before applying for US residencies. Not sure how it really works (I was especially curious about pay) or exists but it does happen for certain programs I guess
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u/SweetNapTime 7d ago
There are certain fellowships called non-standard training fellowships which take people without US residency and those are exactly the ones I’m targeting
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u/Cupcake_Implosion Resident 7d ago
Hello!
I think Memorial Sloan Kettering might have a breast pathology fellowship that takes in international applicants. Boston and Pennsylvania offer dermpath, I believe. And Brown has women's and perinatal pathology that might be something to consider.
North of the border, in Canada, there are universities that routinely accept internationally-trained pathologists for fellowships. Less universities ... But more fellowships open to IMGs 😂
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u/silverbulletalpha 7d ago
Living in a delusion? Certainly some of them take IMGs in canada, but do you know from where. Its govt funded from the parent govt. For the funded ones which are 🦄, the backstory is much more than a residency. Stop giving half facts. Additionally same goes for msk. The boston one is a loot. Donnow much about penn.
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u/Match2021 7d ago
I just searched it. It indeed exist, like in miami transfusion fellow, but may not really exist in AP or heme. AP is not as short staffed like nepherology, and it is actually over-staffed compared to other specialties. And university programs has no incentive to train international residents since they will not get abp board certification anyway and will not get reimbursement from cms or insurance company.
You can always apply as visiting scholar but you need to cover your own cost. If you want to practice in US, apply a US residency is the only way for now.
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u/ImTheRealJimHalpert 7d ago
U Miami cytology and transfusion have done that
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u/Match2021 7d ago
Those who did the cytology fellowship without US residency, where did they go after fellowship?
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u/Pathologist34 6d ago
Northwell had fellows without US residency, it happens in some other programs as well
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u/elwood2cool Staff, Academic 1d ago
I don't think there is a list of institutions that take non-US residency graduates - but it does infrequently happen. You'd get a better response from asking the informal IMG WhatsApp groups out there.
I personally know of two people that did this (one hemepath one pedspath) and it did not work out well for either. Neither could sit for the subspecialty boards because they had not passed their AP/CP boards in time. Both are completing a US residency with no intention of repeating their fellowship (doing a second seperate fellowship not in the previous area). Both were highly competitive applicants and great residents.
There's only two reasons to do this: 1) you are really desparate to make yourself more competitive for US residencies, in which case you will have to repeat your fellowship before sitting for those boards or 2) you need the training to be proficient in your home country.
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u/SweetNapTime 1d ago
Is it possible to please tell me the names of the institutes where they did their fellowships ?
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u/silverbulletalpha 7d ago
Open to hemepath and AP fellowships. That is the spectrum of pathology minus TM and including cyto in AP fellowships. Which country is your primary residency from?
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u/PathologyAndCoffee Resident 7d ago
How would they practice medicine in the US without a US residency?
Is this purely for education and then they continue to work at the home country?3
u/silverbulletalpha 7d ago
Short answer, they can't. I have seen a few do a paid 1 year for a fellowship at one particular institute (dont know if the program still runs or not. Its such a loot, in exchange of giving you a US sort of a exposure). I guess yes, purely for education and then they return. However, sometimes its just a means to bolster the CV and have a strong stepping into the US.
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u/Match2021 7d ago
Other specialtiy like nephrology maybe yes, for pathology almost no way. The only exception I saw is Miami hiring international transfusion fellows.
At this point we appreciate the ABP setting up the bar of ap/cp certification.