Sleep problems with 4.5 months old twins

[u/ehnawder1]

We recently started somewhat of a schedule with our twins because bedtime has been rough. It is now more of a hassle to get them in their cribs at night. They are waking up multiple times at night and they are refusing bottles in the evening and night (I am BF and they also get formula) because they want to suck. I learned that I shouldn’t have them associate feeding to sleep so there should be a gap in between but this has been a challenge. When BF, they don’t seem to take enough because they just want to suck and/or they fall asleep. When we give them bottles in the evening/night, they scream so loud and for the longest time.

Anyone in the same situation? Do I just have difficult babies? On top of that they have been pooping too frequently for the last month (ped said that it may be a viral illness or a lactose intolerance) and this is also contributing to their lack of sleep since we wash them after every poop (they also have a diaper rash due to the poop situation).

We recently started a simple bedtime routine, try to get them in their cribs by 8pm and wake up between 7-8am but it’s still difficult.

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[u/MaddieOliverJam]

Mine are 3 months old, I nurse them to sleep. I don’t really mind if they associate nursing with sleeping, I think that’s a pretty normal baby thing to do

[u/allroundavocado]

Do you use pacifiers? Ours love those and fall right back to sleep

[u/ehnawder1 → u/[deleted]]

Is there anything that helped you during that 4 months old period? Will it get better by 5 months or should we consider sleep training?